Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Prawnik on January 19, 2010, 09:09:14 AM
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Any suggestions?
Looking for 2x12" to go into a cab I will build or have built. Will probably be convertible from open to closed-back for maximum variety. Will be plugged into a Bogner Alchemist head.
I like many styles of music, but I don't really need djents. I like brootals (sometimes) but I am allergic to V30s.
I am inclined to choose two different types of speakers, in order to keep my tone fat and to give me more miking/mixing options. I prefer a vintage-sounding bass and ballsy mids (am I allowed to say that?)
Mostly I play Stratocasters but also my Esquire and Les Pauls.
Living where I do, a lot of boutique gear is unavailable or has to be shipped in at great expense, so I'd rather not experiment too much. I had considered Weber or Scumback versions of vintage Celestions but I am open to other ideas.
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I'm a recent Eminence convert, so I'm going to say look into those!
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Eminence?
So that's me, MDV and TomJackson now...
:-)
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I was tempted by the darkside but never made the leap.
testing speakers is an expensive past time.
just out of interest, what eminence do you use, and what did you replace with them
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40w head? Vintage-ish tones? Ballsy mids?
I'd go for a Celestion Gold and Heritage G12H combination, but they're expensive now. Very expensive (£310 the pair)
Cheaper alternative would be a Celestion Greenback and a G12T "Hot 100" (£130 the pair)
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Eminence?
So that's me, MDV and TomJackson now...
:-)
Count me in ; I have always loved them in my Fender 'Twin' amp. Detailed enough for the 'fine grain' of lower output Strat pickups , yet warm enough for anything else. Not afraid of being pushed. :)
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I was tempted by the darkside but never made the leap.
testing speakers is an expensive past time.
just out of interest, what eminence do you use, and what did you replace with them
I got some Swamp Thangs, replaced K100s, paired with V30s. Very pleased. I made a thread on it quite recently, if youre interested.
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http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19727.0
Not saying they're for everyone, but thats my experience of them (more info than in the first post further down, inc some revisions to my initial impressions, when I miced one up).
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I like G12-65's, a higher rated smoother greenback
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if you have a fat wallet, check out these guys... http://www.scumbackspeakers.com/index.html
and also (cheaper, but still very, very nice)... http://www.tayden.co.uk/tayden_guitar.shtml
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It's definitely worth mixing a warmer sounding speaker with one with extended top for a really good range. If you don't you wind up with a one trick pony. It might be a one trick pony you really love but never-the-less limited.
I use a V30 and a G12-75T in cab based on a Mesa Boogie three quarter back; but that's only one of the many combinations that give an extended range and a little more versitility.
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Forgive me for asking a lot of questions; as someone pointed out, playing with speakers is an expensive sport (like polo, sort of), especially when you live in Ukraine. So I want to get this right the first time.
Eminence fans: which Eminence speakers? I had thought about a Swamp Thang, but would it be too dark? (the Alchemist in not an overly bright amp)
I love old greenbacks, so I was also considering a pair of Scumbacks or a Celestion G12H and a G12M. Anyone tried this? Or even any of the Weber Fane clones?
As little as I like V30s, I had even considered pairing a V30 with a Greenback or Swamp Thang in the hopes that it might then sound a little less tinky and V30-like and maybe a little more like music. Maybe the darkness of the Swamper would balance out the fartiness of the V30 or something.
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este mas estupidez de la double post
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Unless you're only playing hard rock/metal, at volume, I wouldn't use a V30. Others do, but I find them very harsh and cutting on the ears.
The standard Chinese Greenbacks are very nice speakers, and not massively expensive. I have a pair in a JTM45 quarter stack. My suggestion of a Greenback and a Hot 100 would give a very balance tone for very reasonable money.
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OK, I hear "can the V30s!" which is itself music to my ears.
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Have you considered the Eminence Texas Heat? Like a Americanised greenback, certainly my favourite speaker.
If your amp can put up with 4ohms a surprisingly good budget option is two Eminence Legend GB12/8 - they are like higher watt G12Hs.
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The SAs might be a bit dark, yeah. The tonkers are the only others that I've heard in comparison - they're brighter, that may be an option.
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dont can the V30's, great speakers. I mix one with a Fane and it's the best speaker cab tone i've had. Not harsh at all, and it really does cut through in a band mix. They get branded at rock/metal speakers but they sound great in my Fender Twin!
I heard Richie Kotzen with his signature Tele directly into his Cornford head with a 4x12 loaded with V30s, the sound was incredible.
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dont can the V30's, great speakers. I mix one with a Fane and it's the best speaker cab tone i've had. Not harsh at all, and it really does cut through in a band mix. They get branded at rock/metal speakers but they sound great in my Fender Twin!
I heard Richie Kotzen with his signature Tele directly into his Cornford head with a 4x12 loaded with V30s, the sound was incredible.
I can't understand where the "harsh - rock/metal" description of V30's comes from either. The ones I have (admittedly several years old) are smooth and warm; have they changed or something? or is it all down to cab design.
Yours truly,
Confused of Leigh on Sea
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It's all subjective I guess! I find V30s have a nasty spike to them them really offends my ears and makes my teeth grate!
:lol:
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I think with V30's a lot is dependant on your amp. If you have a bright amp they can get nasty but with a darker amps they can be good.
They record well and have plenty of cut but they would not be my 1st choice for a home practise rig.
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^ Exactly my findings - they sound best with plenty of volume. I got decent results in a 4x12 when cranked, but not many people have that option.
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I think with V30's a lot is dependant on your amp. If you have a bright amp they can get nasty but with a darker amps they can be good.
Yeah, my Mesa 2x12 with V30s was great with my Mesa Rectifier head, but lousy with my Engl Savage - the CL80/K100 combination I'm using now is far superior for that amp.
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for home V30 is a no no, with certain amps... i have one in a 90's Fender champ 12, perfect thick fender clean tones, the drive on that amp is shockingly bad so no speaker will fix that. But live with another guitar/key's player, V30's own it.
Depending on who you talk to, V30's are only designed to sound good with 30 watts up them, but can handle 60... also, some say that they change quite drastically after a few hours of heavy use, mine changed during the 19th/20th gig. All the harsh high mids went and the sound smoothed out. Some say that at that point the speaker is knackered, and that the V30 was designed to sound the was is was when you first bought it...
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Years ago, I had a MESA 1x12" cab with a V30. I used to wonder why every guitar and amp I played sounded emasculated: tinny, farty, no bass, no balls.
Even my 335 loaded with original Dirty Fingers turned into a six-string Farinelli. It was like downgrading a hydrogen bomb to a damp firecracker.
Then I figured out: it wasn't (just) me - the problem was the speaker.