Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: BeëlzeM on March 18, 2010, 10:39:12 PM
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Hey guys, I'm new here.
I just bought this Jackson SLSMG, that's currently loaded with an EMG 81/85 set that I want to swap out. I have enough guitars with these and I really want to try out some BKP's for myself. Let's see if they live up to the hype :), but I'm sure they will. Everything I've heard so far sounded absolutely great.
I bought this guitar second-hand from the States (European myself), and it's currently into customs over here, so it'll be here very soon. So I decided I was going to look for some nice pups.
So I'm going to play this Jackson SLSMG into my Peavey 6505. As some of you might know the SLSMG is a guitar with a pretty thin and light body made of mahogany. I'm looking for a bridge pickup with an as raw and growly midrage and grunt as possible, a tight but not too heavy low-end and that's not all that smooth but also not harsh. In short, an aggressive pickup with a strong midrange. I've been recommended a ceramic Nailbomb, would that fit my needs?
Some more questions. How do BKP's sound in a lightweigh and thin body? Still full enough and chuncky sounding like a heavy mahogany guitar?
Also, I'd like the idea of having whatever pickup I'm going to order having in a Warpig housing, with the two rows of screw polepieces. Is that possible?
I'm going to replace these EMG's with a couple of BKP's, do I need the long or the short legs? I think long? Also, I want to direct-mount these new pickups if the routing of the guitar lets me and I can fill the screw holes of the pickuprings. Does anyone here have experience with direct-mounting BKP's on a guitar that initially came with pickuprings? Please tell me more.
Cheers!
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No I don't think the C-Bombs will work to well, they are going to be too bright...
You basicly described a Painkiller for your guitar!
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Thanks for the reply! The Painkiller is pickup I haven't really looked into yet. But the description on the main site is pretty convincing. I like a strong upper-mid grunt and a pretty tight bass. I also like British voicing, as long as it stays aggressive and suitable for old school death metal. Since the Peavey 5150/6505 isn't known for their tight bass response it would be great for the pickup to be pretty tight in the low-end. That's why I thought Warpigs or maybe Nailbombs weren't the right choices for me. I usually play in either D or C standard. Painkiller the way to go for the bridge? What is a nice matching neck pickup?
Any more people that can help me with my other questions?
Cheers
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The nailbomb will work well , but having fitted a ceramic warpig to a similar Jackson and liked trhe result , I think you wouldn't go far wrong with that either
The ceramic magnet in the CWP keeps the bass nice and tight.
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So my Jackson SLSMG arrived yesterday after a couple of weeks of waiting. And I've been thinking about which BKP's I want to equip it with. I've been getting recommendations ranging from the C-Bomb to the Painkiller for the bridge. I can't really decide. I'm pretty much set on a CS neck though.
What I want it to sound like.
- As aggressive as possible
- Growly midrange and crunch
- Tight but not overly present bass
- No harsh highs
I think the Painkiller will suit my needs best?
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No I don't think the C-Bombs will work to well, they are going to be too bright...
You basicly described a Painkiller for your guitar!
Que?
Painkillers are much brighter than C-Bombs
Anyway, I think an Aftermath would suit you. Its not on the product page, but it fits your requirements better than the c-bomb or PK imo
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I've been looking around for the Aftermath, found this etc:
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19791.0
So it's a custom pickup. It sounds really good and I'm definately interested in one. Would you describe it as best-of-both-worlds pickup from the Bomb and PK? How expensive is the Aftermath?
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It is sort of in between the two, but with its own character. Its the tightest BK there is, its got a snarling mid with a dark-ish crunch, it shares its overall pretty level response with the c-bomb most closely (not an overabundance of any given range), it shares the quite open, uncompressed 'clean' gain with the PK, but lacks the icepick in the high mids and the boxiness that I personally found the PK to have - that same clean uncompressed sound is what I think lends itself to sounding very aggressive - transients and harmonics are present in abundance so it doesnt really rely on heavily clipping a pre to create aggression (though it is very hot). The C-Bomb is a little more tailed off in the high end (making it a better lead pickup, imo, but as you can see, I'm a metal rhythm guy primarily) and is smoother
- As aggressive as possible
PK or Aftermath fit this best. Also ran - c-pig, very aggressive, but I dont feel its quite as inyourface, since its more compressed and saturated. Its heavier and hotter, though.
- Growly midrange and crunch
C-Bomb or aftermath - pk is a brighter crunch, rather than th0e thick, darker barking crunch. C-Pig as a contender for this too. Also excludes another possibility - miracle man, too smooth.
- Tight but not overly present bass
All fit this, none are terribly bassy, all are tight, the aftermath most so, though. Plus its double screw pole as standard, so you can tune the low end better than the other two with the heights of the screws. C-pig loses out here, as its got tight bass, but its very present indeed.
- No harsh highs
C-Bomb fits this best, followed by aftermath, followed by PK. (MM or C-Pig would be good by this measure as well)
Hence, adding up how I think each pickup fits each of your requirements, I think the aftermath is the best for you.
This thread rather reminds of something I said to Tim just after I received the pickup - its the best 81-killer I've heard; it lends itself perfectly to the tightness, aggression and precision that the 81 is usually chosen for, but it does it with way more class and fuller, livelier organic sound
Its normal price as far as I know.
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Massive thanks for the lenghty reply and help so far!
The Aftermath seems to be right up my alley as the perfect pickup for my style and tone. Every way you describe it is what I'm looking for in a bridgepickup.
About the pickup housing. I would definately prefer the Warpig-style housing with the double pole piece screws. Is the Aftermath housing the same as the Warpig housing? I was going to ask for both the neck and the bridge pickups to be put in a black Warpig housing when ordering if this is possible.
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The WP and the aftermath are the only two pickups that have the double allen bolt look as standard (the pig I believe to give it its unholy $%&#load of bass and low mids, and aftermath to bring a bright winds low end up to balanced levels).
Any neck pickup that has double screw pole is either a warpig or a specially made double screw pole custom. I've had varying degrees of success with making standard pickups double screw pole (in the bridge) and in the end decided that the stock models are better, and dont get my pickups to be DSP if they arent designed to be (any more).
So if you want both to look like warpigs, then aftermath/warpig is the combo.
Aftermath/holydiver combo in my Legra Aurora - custom 'Urban Camo' covers.
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l198/D_Man666/IMG_5133-Edit-1.jpg)
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l198/D_Man666/IMG_5124-Edit.jpg)
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Awesome, awesome looking guitar you have there. And I just love some direct mounted Bare Knuckles.
I don't really care for DSP on the neck pickup, as long as it looks the same as the bridge pickup (same allen screws, but just one row). Kinda like how your pickups match.
I have my mind set on the Aftermath and Cold Sweat set.
Cheers!
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Quite welcome,
Thanks
And
Hope you enjoy them (but remember tim gives a week or two (I forget which) to change the pickup if you dont like it, so whatever you choose you have a safety net and a useful reference point ('my aftermath/cold sweat wasnt for me in _this_ way, what will work?); much easier for us amateur advisers to diagnose)
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I was about to order an Aftermath/Cold Sweat set from Tim. But too bad I don't have a creditcard and they can't accept PayPal unfortunately, so he directed me to a BKP dealer in the Netherlands. I hope they can order exactly what I want there. Kind of a bummer though, also because it will be more expensive that way. But I'm very excited nonetheless!
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i need one of those!!!!
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So my Jackson SLSMG arrived yesterday after a couple of weeks of waiting. And I've been thinking about which BKP's I want to equip it with. I've been getting recommendations ranging from the C-Bomb to the Painkiller for the bridge. I can't really decide. I'm pretty much set on a CS neck though.
What I want it to sound like.
- As aggressive as possible
- Growly midrange and crunch
- Tight but not overly present bass
- No harsh highs
I think the Painkiller will suit my needs best?
Miracle Man!
I'd call it quite growly and aggressive.
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Aftermath and Cold Sweat ordered! Both with black covers and black adjustment screws. Should be here in a week or 2 probably according to my dealer.
Reviews when they're here, I'm excited!
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And they're in!
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5646/smallbkp.jpg)
Amazing pickups. Not as loud as the EMG's but very clear, not as compressed but very dynamic, crunchier, thicker and more articulate. These are a hundred times better than the EMG's IMO. Never heard a pickup being this raw and aggressive anywhere.
I got both of these in the black Warpig-style housing and boy do they look awesome and mean.
Here's the first rhythm track of the Aftermath. Going through my 6505 and G12T75 speakers. This is the most generic sounding tone testing riff you'll ever hear but I wanted to hear how it would sound quad tracked easily. Almost no editing, just a tiny bit of EQ. Will do more clips soon I guess with decent riffs and decent editing.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4998086/bkp4.mp3
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:D
Glad you like em!
And welcome to the aftermath club....you, me and tim :lol:
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Sooned to be joined by me ;)
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Sooned to be joined by me ;)
Cheeky bloody so and so, ordering my pickup! Kept that quiet.
What attracted you to it?
Just thought - I wonder if with more people ordering one, the name 'aftermath' is gonna stick. That would be cool - I gave it that name :D
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Cheeky bloody so and so, ordering my pickup! Kept that quiet.
What attracted you to it?
Hah, actually it was Tim that recommended it to me, for a custom 7 I'm having built. I wanted something that is tight like the Painkiller but without the massive upper mid spike, and that doesn't thin out on the higher strings. Apparently the Aftermath fits the bill!
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Cheeky bloody so and so, ordering my pickup! Kept that quiet.
What attracted you to it?
Hah, actually it was Tim that recommended it to me, for a custom 7 I'm having built. I wanted something that is tight like the Painkiller, but without the massive upper mid spike, and that doesn't thin out on the higher strings. Apparently the Aftermath fits the bill!
Yes it does!
I'm curious (see above); did he call it The Aftermath?
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Yes it does!
I'm curious (see above); did he call it The Aftermath?
Well, he said that you call it the Aftermath :lol:
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Yes it does!
I'm curious (see above); did he call it The Aftermath?
Well, he said that you call it the Aftermath :lol:
:lol:
Sly old dog!
If it gets called The Davidian; I suggested that too! :lol: Just saying (though he was already thinking of that).
I dont think Tim was too enamoured with The Aftermath - as in the song, not the name (he liked the name)
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Hmm, I feel like Davidian might be more in keeping with the "classic" song titles the pickups tend to be named after.
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:D
Glad you like em!
And welcome to the aftermath club....you, me and tim :lol:
Thanks man! Awesome. Didn't know there were only a couple made. Cool stuff. :)
Without a doubt the nicest bridge pickup I've had in a guitar so far. And the Cold Sweat is very sweet too. Next up is a push-pull pot for in the volume pot position to split the Cold Sweat for cleans.
The Davidian is an awesome name too. As is the Aftermath. Whatever it's being called, I have it on my guitar and it's going nowhere 8)
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Hmm. Considering getting my A-Pig 7 to a C-Pig.
What's the difference between C-Pig and Aftermath, esp. output...?
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:D
Glad you like em!
And welcome to the aftermath club....you, me and tim :lol:
Thanks man! Awesome. Didn't know there were only a couple made. Cool stuff. :)
Without a doubt the nicest bridge pickup I've had in a guitar so far. And the Cold Sweat is very sweet too. Next up is a push-pull pot for in the volume pot position to split the Cold Sweat for cleans.
The Davidian is an awesome name too. As is the Aftermath. Whatever it's being called, I have it on my guitar and it's going nowhere 8)
Only one made for anyone thats not tim, till you got yours (mine, if you need it spelled out for you).
Chris, its not as hot or as bassy as a C-pig, and has more mids and is tighter and a lot less compressed.
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Very interested! If I ask a US dealer to order, should I continue to call it the Aftermath? Normal price?
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The Davidian? Does it sound like Machine Head?
I had the impression you wanted it for technical Death Metal MDV?!?
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The Davidian? Does it sound like Machine Head?
I had the impression you wanted it for technical Death Metal MDV?!?
It doesnt especially sound like either. I thought davidian from tims description of what I was gonna get - ultra tight, percussive, mid-high output pickup designed for 'modern metal' and keeping super-fast palm muted rhythms super-clean and tight. I thought aftermath after I heard the shear ferocity of the pickup itself, which was to my ears best equated to the ferocity of The Aftermath, Origin.
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Hmm, may have to think about it. But that'll mean rewinding the neck too. And I'm epically skint. Oh well - may just get the magnets swapped on my bridge Pig...
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Removed
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Just a quick bump for anyone wondering what this pickup actually sounds like, if you don't mind.
I practised my micing and recording skills and this doesn't sound so bad I thought.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4998086/pwd_6505.mp3
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Sounds good - would probably sit in a mix quite well.
Interesting (interesting cool not interesting wtf) riffing too.