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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: LazyNinja on March 25, 2010, 11:42:05 AM
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Mesa!!!
http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/home.aspx (http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/home.aspx)
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:lol:
The TriRec - subtle!
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Soul of valves :lol:
Cracks me up every time.
Where do they go when they die?
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I can see them shifting a lot of these, mesa might even lower their prices!!! (but I doubt it)
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how do they get away with it? :)
i'm very tempted by a couple of their amps. all i hear suggests they sound great, but seem to suffer from terrible reliability issues.
anyone know of anywhere in Northern Ireland that stocks them?
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I think Bairds in Belfast stock a few of them, but I'd have to check.
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Soul of valves :lol:
Cracks me up every time.
Where do they go when they die?
+1. What cracks me up even more is the fact they're still running with it, despite pretty much every internet forum mercilessly taking the piss out of it.
after LOLling for about 10 minutes at that, then at the fact they cloned Mesas, I got very interested, though. Would be very interested to try some of these (or even the peavey clones, I haven't tried any bugeras yet :( ). Apparently they have something along the line of a matchless, too.
Bairds stocks them? Interesting. Shame it's a bit out of the way (but not the end of the world, either).
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Soul of valves :lol:
Cracks me up every time.
Where do they go when they die?
I prefer when people put "added tone", "increased tone" or "more tone" on everything. Because tone is quantitative, obviously. :lol:
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I quite liked the description of "almighty 'sag'..." and why people like it.
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but what do they sound like is the question......
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Bugera... Those guys are a bunch of Tools... All those little kids in China handwiring those amps.
They are not legal in the US, (where I am). Behringer = Bugera from what I know. The Behringer amps are quite unreliable and don't have a sound that would threaten a Boogie, ENGL, Matchless, Marshall, etc. There is a pedal called a Triple Wreck from Wampler, on You Tube, that is a dead on beast of a Triple Rectifier tone. Check it out. That little thing is packing some serious nads.....
FWIW, I have a few Boogies and playing skill trumps equipment any day. My guitar instructor is a phenom. He can play his old LP in the crate combo in the studio control room and what comes out sounds great... That's why he is the instructor :o
Is there a price differece on equipment from the US to UK? I had been told by one of my UK friends that Boogies are more expensive over there, more of an amp snob kind of gear. I got my Single Rec Series 2 head used for $700. Definitely not in the Gear Snob price range here. Now Diezel.... that's up in the fat coin range for us.
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Bugera... Those guys are a bunch of Tools... All those little kids in China handwiring those amps.
They are not legal in the US, (where I am). Behringer = Bugera from what I know. The Behringer amps are quite unreliable and don't have a sound that would threaten a Boogie, ENGL, Matchless, Marshall, etc.
do you mean that bugera amps are banned in the US??
behringer=bugera is probably a wrong popular belief... they're just distributed by behringer, it seems.
anyway i don't know anything about behringer amps (i just tried the v-amp series and it's quite horrible), but bugeras sound definitely good. i don't know if reliability issues are limited to the 333 series or we'll soon have a lot of souls of dead valves singing in heaven...
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do you mean that bugera amps are banned in the US??
The post is a touch over the top Bugera are for sale all over the US, however the Trirec hasn't been tested and passed for sale in the US yet (CSA testing or something like that!).
It's certainly a rip off of course, BUT Hand wired by Children eh, don't ya love the internet.
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Bugera... Those guys are a bunch of Tools... All those little kids in China handwiring those amps.
They are not legal in the US, (where I am). Behringer = Bugera from what I know. The Behringer amps are quite unreliable and don't have a sound that would threaten a Boogie, ENGL, Matchless, Marshall, etc. There is a pedal called a Triple Wreck from Wampler, on You Tube, that is a dead on beast of a Triple Rectifier tone. Check it out. That little thing is packing some serious nads.....
FWIW, I have a few Boogies and playing skill trumps equipment any day. My guitar instructor is a phenom. He can play his old LP in the crate combo in the studio control room and what comes out sounds great... That's why he is the instructor :o
Is there a price differece on equipment from the US to UK? I had been told by one of my UK friends that Boogies are more expensive over there, more of an amp snob kind of gear. I got my Single Rec Series 2 head used for $700. Definitely not in the Gear Snob price range here. Now Diezel.... that's up in the fat coin range for us.
yeah, mesa are a lot more expensive here, similar to what diezels cost in the US (if not more).
and bugeras are legal in the states, certainly the older ones. The new ones aren't passed yet, but I'm guessing that's to do with safety etc. rather than legality (could be wrong, though).
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From the videos I've seen, Bugera's are made by adults in a factory all wearing white jackets and hats. Not kids.
The bugera 6260 sounds very close to a 5150. Though reliability isn't too consistent I think.
For Bugera to do a Mesa clone is great for us in the UK, Mesa's are too expensive for us.
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reliability is the concern for me- a rec for £700 screams, "yes please!" compared to the price the real thing goes for here, but £700 is still dear enough that if it's unreliable, it's a waste of money.
(also how close it sounds to the real thing is extremely important, again, £700 is enough money that it needs to get close- if it were closer to the price of the 6260 then there'd be a bit more leeway)
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if they raised the price we're supposed to think that overall quality has improved as well... at least i hope! i was very very happy with my 333xl, but it blew after all... :)
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The new Bugeras have not gotten the FCC blessing yet so they can't be sold in the US quite yet. The old models are in town. I saw one at Guitar Center today. It is very interesting the amps you guys/gals have in the UK. Just like different musicians are popular, I see lots of different guitar and amp badges. Some day, the good Lord willing, my wife and I will make it to London for a week of vacation. Definitely a time to browse music stores. Could you imagine how a wife could get miffed if you traveled all the way to London and spent time drolling in music shoppes? ha!
The bit about Chinese kids building Bugera amps is totally serious. I am sure there will be little gummi bear wrappers and bouncy balls mysteriously found in Tri Recs, they seem simpler and easier to build. The older children will build the Victory model, there will probably be copies of Teen Beat magazine, maybe a Hannah Montana lip balm cap, or possibly a few pages of National Geographic, the ones with naked women in the Amazon. You know how young boys are curious.
BTW, a used Diezel head is for sale at Guitar center for $4000!!! I could by three Mesa Electra Dynes for that!!!
Peace!
Softail
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^ i think that's a bit more than here for the the diezel, i think they're about £2300 or something here.
if they raised the price we're supposed to think that overall quality has improved as well... at least i hope! i was very very happy with my 333xl, but it blew after all... :)
dunno, i mean (as far as i'm aware) the recto is more complicated, so the extra price might just reflect the extra work/parts required.
when you say the 333xl blew, you mean it broke down?
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yep. the power stage was cut off from the rest, and tubes didn't wake up. i don't know exactly what happened, but i had it fixed for a third of the amp price!
and then i bought a new amp. i kept the 333 too because i liked very much its tone and versatility, and i suspect i'll never be able to sell it for a decent amount of money...
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there's plenty of videos showing bugeras in high gain settings, but i found this twangy video of a 333xl... very nice!
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For a cheap way to get a monster Boogie sound is that Wampler Triple Wreck pedal. I only have heads and cabs with the exception of a nice little Fender Blues Deluxe. It is a nice clean/blues/Dire Straits amp. That Triple Wreck transforms any amp into a Triple Rectifier. Check it on YouTube. I am thinking about getting one so I can just slap in the front of that Fender and have nice little jam session rig.
What are some popular Metal/Rock amps in the UK. I will YouTube them to see what you guys are playing.
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^ there are a bunch, i'm sure some of them are fairly well-known in the US, too (i'll leave out the more obvious ones like marshall). In no order, there's laney, cornford, framus, engl, diezel, brunetti... probably a bunch more, that's just off the top of my head.
thanks for the info, dheim.
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^ there are a bunch, i'm sure some of them are fairly well-known in the US, too (i'll leave out the more obvious ones like marshall). In no order, there's laney, cornford, framus, engl, diezel, brunetti... probably a bunch more, that's just off the top of my head.
thanks for the info, dheim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08seu3pzKC0
i was quite sure i pasted the link to that twangy video i was talking about... oops.
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Had my little V22 for nearly a month now and still love it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08seu3pzKC0
i was quite sure i pasted the link to that twangy video i was talking about... oops.
haha
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Soul of valves :lol:
Cracks me up every time.
Where do they go when they die?
+1. What cracks me up even more is the fact they're still running with it, despite pretty much every internet forum mercilessly taking the piss out of it.
after LOLling for about 10 minutes at that, then at the fact they cloned Mesas, I got very interested, though. Would be very interested to try some of these (or even the peavey clones, I haven't tried any bugeras yet :( ). Apparently they have something along the line of a matchless, too.
Bairds stocks them? Interesting. Shame it's a bit out of the way (but not the end of the world, either).
Yup. Even the lulz of Soul of Valves isnt enough to make me uninterested in what more or less, give or take amounts to a £300 5150 or however-much-they-want-for-these-ones tripple rec. Hell, get both. I'll wager that I could get them to record next to identically to their 'real' amp counterparts, and thats what I'd use them for. Mic choice, mic placement, guitar, mic pre-amp, ITB $%&#ing around; with all these variables then provided the sound out of the amp is just in the ballpark of the peavey or mesa, they're probably workable recording amps that you can afford to have a variety of in a studio to give people (and me) a larger tonal palette where the sounds are very similar to the real thing. I'd really like to be able to use them.
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The reliability reports scream 'false economy'.
Maybe the higher prices of the mesa ones mean that they're using better components and have more stringent quality levels. Maybe not.
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Soul of valves :lol:
Cracks me up every time.
Where do they go when they die?
+1. What cracks me up even more is the fact they're still running with it, despite pretty much every internet forum mercilessly taking the piss out of it.
after LOLling for about 10 minutes at that, then at the fact they cloned Mesas, I got very interested, though. Would be very interested to try some of these (or even the peavey clones, I haven't tried any bugeras yet :( ). Apparently they have something along the line of a matchless, too.
Bairds stocks them? Interesting. Shame it's a bit out of the way (but not the end of the world, either).
Yup. Even the lulz of Soul of Valves isnt enough to make me uninterested in what more or less, give or take amounts to a £300 5150 or however-much-they-want-for-these-ones tripple rec. Hell, get both. I'll wager that I could get them to record next to identically to their 'real' amp counterparts, and thats what I'd use them for. Mic choice, mic placement, guitar, mic pre-amp, ITB $%&#ing around; with all these variables then provided the sound out of the amp is just in the ballpark of the peavey or mesa, they're probably workable recording amps that you can afford to have a variety of in a studio to give people (and me) a larger tonal palette where the sounds are very similar to the real thing. I'd really like to be able to use them.
But
The reliability reports scream 'false economy'.
Maybe the higher prices of the mesa ones mean that they're using better components and have more stringent quality levels. Maybe not.
hard to tell... as far as i know the only real reliability issues came from power lines in 333 models (yep, mine...)... most reliability reports i've read on the net are based just on pure prejudice (they're behringer, they will certainly break in a month, buy american patriotic stuff instead etc...)
but my only personal experience is a great sounding but fragile amp.
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Yup. Even the lulz of Soul of Valves isnt enough to make me uninterested in what more or less, give or take amounts to a £300 5150 or however-much-they-want-for-these-ones tripple rec. Hell, get both. I'll wager that I could get them to record next to identically to their 'real' amp counterparts, and thats what I'd use them for. Mic choice, mic placement, guitar, mic pre-amp, ITB $%&#ing around; with all these variables then provided the sound out of the amp is just in the ballpark of the peavey or mesa, they're probably workable recording amps that you can afford to have a variety of in a studio to give people (and me) a larger tonal palette where the sounds are very similar to the real thing. I'd really like to be able to use them.
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The reliability reports scream 'false economy'.
Maybe the higher prices of the mesa ones mean that they're using better components and have more stringent quality levels. Maybe not.
yup, pretty much. I'd add, though, that a mesa recto is not a £2000 amp, it's a £1000 amp which sells for £2000 this side of the pond. But that's still more expensive than a bugera (by that I mean that bugera is going to have to undercut mesa in the states too if it's going to sell). EDIT: just realised that you meant the bugera mesa models, not that genuine mesas would use higher parts than the Bugeras. :lol: :oops:
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bugera is going to have to undercut mesa in the states too if it's going to sell
You hit the nail squarely on the head and that is Bugera's sole intention, provided they can release this amplifier the moment Mesa's patent lapses, which is soon.
Expect to see a flood of similar amps doing the same thing once the patent is available to the free market as well.
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^ Yeah, I thought I'd better put that in before some smart-alec piped up to say, "But £727 (or whatever it is) is pretty much $1500", the prices don't need to be as low in Europe because Mesa prices are so much higher. Ditto the peaveys and bugera peavey models (presumably). Would also be very interesting if all those other companies you mentioned start appearing- especially if they have a better reliability record than bugera. What also might happen is that Mesa might try to undercut the copies with offshore models, like Fender and Gibson did with Squier and Epiphone (and which Soldano is doing now with Jet City). Any way you slice it, more choice is a good thing, if you ask me- take it (especially at the inflated European prices) or leave it isn't much of a choice. :lol:
going back to the peaveys, what worries me about the 6260 is (a) the digital reverb (not a major problem if it can be switched out of the circuit 100% if it sounds like ass, but spring would be better) and (b) the lack of the resonance knob, which is more problematic. Maybe it still sounds fairly close, but on the 5150 you can fine-tune the resonance. By the looks of things, the cleans are better too- bugera isn't really touting it as a 5150, but more as "an improved 5150"... and we all know what "improved" means. :lol:
though the mesa ones do seem to be closer copies, just by looking at the specs and knobs etc. (though obviously that's not foolproof, lol).
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^ Yeah, I thought I'd better put that in before some smart-alec piped up to say, "But £727 (or whatever it is) is pretty much $1500", the prices don't need to be as low in Europe because Mesa prices are so much higher. Ditto the peaveys and bugera peavey models (presumably). Would also be very interesting if all those other companies you mentioned start appearing- especially if they have a better reliability record than bugera. What also might happen is that Mesa might try to undercut the copies with offshore models, like Fender and Gibson did with Squier and Epiphone (and which Soldano is doing now with Jet City). Any way you slice it, more choice is a good thing, if you ask me- take it (especially at the inflated European prices) or leave it isn't much of a choice. :lol:
going back to the peaveys, what worries me about the 6260 is (a) the digital reverb (not a major problem if it can be switched out of the circuit 100% if it sounds like ass, but spring would be better) and (b) the lack of the resonance knob, which is more problematic. Maybe it still sounds fairly close, but on the 5150 you can fine-tune the resonance. By the looks of things, the cleans are better too- bugera isn't really touting it as a 5150, but more as "an improved 5150"... and we all know what "improved" means. :lol:
though the mesa ones do seem to be closer copies, just by looking at the specs and knobs etc. (though obviously that's not foolproof, lol).
reverb on the 333xl sounds GREAT. i didn't compare the 6260 and the 5150 side to side, but someone on the web did, and it actually seems an improved version, less fizzy and with more bass.
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thanks :)
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^ Yeah, I thought I'd better put that in before some smart-alec piped up to say, "But £727 (or whatever it is) is pretty much $1500", the prices don't need to be as low in Europe because Mesa prices are so much higher. Ditto the peaveys and bugera peavey models (presumably). Would also be very interesting if all those other companies you mentioned start appearing- especially if they have a better reliability record than bugera. What also might happen is that Mesa might try to undercut the copies with offshore models, like Fender and Gibson did with Squier and Epiphone (and which Soldano is doing now with Jet City). Any way you slice it, more choice is a good thing, if you ask me- take it (especially at the inflated European prices) or leave it isn't much of a choice. :lol:
going back to the peaveys, what worries me about the 6260 is (a) the digital reverb (not a major problem if it can be switched out of the circuit 100% if it sounds like ass, but spring would be better) and (b) the lack of the resonance knob, which is more problematic. Maybe it still sounds fairly close, but on the 5150 you can fine-tune the resonance. By the looks of things, the cleans are better too- bugera isn't really touting it as a 5150, but more as "an improved 5150"... and we all know what "improved" means. :lol:
though the mesa ones do seem to be closer copies, just by looking at the specs and knobs etc. (though obviously that's not foolproof, lol).
reverb on the 333xl sounds GREAT. i didn't compare the 6260 and the 5150 side to side, but someone on the web did, and it actually seems an improved version, less fizzy and with more bass.
yeah, i saw that - was sorely tempted by a 6260 for a while, but i think i'm over it ;)