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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Lew on March 27, 2010, 12:20:33 PM

Title: If Blackmachine made vintage Teles?...
Post by: Lew on March 27, 2010, 12:20:33 PM
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=687477

Title: Re: If Blackmachine made vintage Teles?...
Post by: Philly Q on March 27, 2010, 12:56:23 PM
I can't see it because I'm not registered on that site.  Any chance of a pic?
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Post by: horsehead on March 27, 2010, 02:37:55 PM
same here...colour me intrigued though
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Post by: morgasm on March 27, 2010, 03:10:51 PM
I can't see it because I'm not registered on that site.  Any chance of a pic?
+1 !
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Post by: phlip on March 27, 2010, 03:30:35 PM
+2  :D
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Post by: AndyR on March 27, 2010, 04:06:21 PM
+3
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Post by: dheim on March 27, 2010, 04:23:33 PM
+4
Title: Re: If Blackmachine made vintage Teles?...
Post by: Lew on March 27, 2010, 04:31:38 PM
(http://saguaroguitars.com/imgs/SN%20001%2001%20Overall.jpg)
(http://saguaroguitars.com/imgs/SN%20001%2001%20tgp.jpg)
(http://saguaroguitars.com/imgs/SN%20001%2002%20tgp.jpg)
(http://saguaroguitars.com/imgs/SN%20001%2003%20tgp.jpg)
(http://saguaroguitars.com/imgs/SN%20002%2001%20tgp.jpg)
(http://saguaroguitars.com/imgs/SN%20002%2002%20tgp.jpg)
Title: Re: If Blackmachine made vintage Teles?...
Post by: Ian Price on March 27, 2010, 04:45:35 PM
Not bad - I don't like the headstock though. It looks pretty rudimentary. Also, not sure if it's my screen but the body looks very thin for a tele.
Title: Re: If Blackmachine made vintage Teles?...
Post by: Philly Q on March 27, 2010, 04:45:54 PM
Hooray, photos at last!   :D



I don't like it.




No, it's OK, apart from the headstock.  So basically the big Blackmachine-like thing is the thin body?
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Post by: Twinfan on March 27, 2010, 04:48:40 PM
Wafer thin body, minging headstock.

Eurgh.
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Post by: dheim on March 27, 2010, 04:52:04 PM
the headstock looks even worse than the original one, i'd have said time ago. my tele respect (if not appreciation) has grown a lot lately, so i'll simply say that it looks HORRIBLE. like some soviet guitar made in the fifties.
but the thin tele body is... interesting
Title: Re: If Blackmachine made vintage Teles?...
Post by: Tellboy on March 27, 2010, 05:06:49 PM
So little wood between the neck plate and the neck - I would n't like to let it fall over (visions of SG type neck break).
Title: Re: If Blackmachine made vintage Teles?...
Post by: Lew on March 27, 2010, 05:52:45 PM
yours for an introductory price of 1700dollars  :lol:
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Post by: WezV on March 27, 2010, 06:01:32 PM
the pics showing the thin body remind me so much of el cheapo tesico's like the top twenty.

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Post by: AndyR on March 27, 2010, 06:07:18 PM
Hmmm...

:lol:
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Post by: impossible on March 27, 2010, 07:23:18 PM
I like the concept but I think it's a bit TOO thin. Perhaps the neck could be thinner, taking the heel with it, as well as leaving *some* wood on the body so the neck pocket doesn't look so fragile.

The head is properly nasty, and I am someone who has very little aesthetic sense when designing guitar heads. My response to most new shapes is "oh yeah, that is different, well the strings still work so whatever".

So basically I would get a regular Tele and shave 5-10mm off the body :D
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Post by: BigB on March 27, 2010, 08:51:17 PM
ISo basically I would get a regular Tele and shave 5-10mm off the body :D

Please leave my Tele body alone. It's perfect as is. Thanks.

Title: Re: If Blackmachine made vintage Teles?...
Post by: Twinfan on March 27, 2010, 09:55:42 PM
So little wood between the neck plate and the neck - I would n't like to let it fall over (visions of SG type neck break).

Great point.  It really is a neck break waiting to happen...
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Post by: WezV on March 27, 2010, 11:07:48 PM
here is one of the top twenty's i had, body was about 1" thick and looked just like that tele around the neck join

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/ebay/red3.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/ebay/red5.jpg)

and yes, cracks around the neck join was a problem
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Post by: dheim on March 27, 2010, 11:18:14 PM
oh my god, wez, what was that thing?
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Post by: WezV on March 27, 2010, 11:24:38 PM
a very very cheap tesico made to be sold in woolworths under the 'top twenty' brand in the 70's.  i had two ot them when i was still into buying really cheap guitars to rip apart

that one actually got sold to a guy in northern ireland who had the same one when he was a kid.  He told me he was mates with gary moore and he used to play on it occasionally  - who knows :D



the point was - its exactly what that thin bodied tele made me think of, black machines never did that. 
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Post by: dheim on March 27, 2010, 11:42:52 PM
a real nightmare. but i love that tesico bridge! seriously.  :)
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Post by: Philly Q on March 28, 2010, 12:06:58 AM
Guys, isn't it Teisco, not Tesico?  :?
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Post by: impossible on March 28, 2010, 02:23:51 AM
That whole guitar looks like it's made from lego or something!

I think it is Teisco not Tesico but to be fair I did just typo it "Tesico" twice and "Tesica" once. :P
Title: Re: If Blackmachine made vintage Teles?...
Post by: AndyR on March 28, 2010, 10:53:04 AM
We just called them Woolworths guitars. :lol:

I remember drooling over one when I was young (never got as far as touching it though).

My Dad bought the amp that was always near them. That was a FABULOUS amp, he just didn't know (or value) what it could do. Plug in the second socket, turn the volume up full, it was instant Rolling Stones or Faces or Free, or ... all those tones ... with no pedals ... at just over living room volume (I'm sure it was quieter than my AC4TV is, or maybe I'm just getting old).

I tried for years to get that thing off of him (now-a-days I could afford to just get him a decent tranny amp and say "give me that old thing Dad", but back then I was a penniless turd). Anyway, I was horrified to find out that he gave it to some drug-addled twerp he met through church work some years ago, who managed to destroy it while "fixing" it.
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Post by: phlip on March 28, 2010, 11:03:45 AM
My first guitar was a Woolies special like that but in a burst style colour. It was hideous, but better than no guitar at all I guess....
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Post by: dheim on March 28, 2010, 02:16:12 PM
i was a very lucky guy.
when i told my parents that i'd have loved to play electric guitar they came up with an awful classical (worth 50000 ITL, today's 25€, but i'm talking about 1987, i think)... when i finally convinced them that an actual electric guitar could save me from drugs, unemployment and international terrorism (and not mentioning the obvious Satan worshipping that would have followed as a direct consequence), they bought me a used but nice Fender Stratocaster made in USA. cream with maple fingerboard. very hendrix. but we're talking about '92, and before that i was trying to play heavy metal (and to worship Satan) on one single nylon string at the time, using my first finger and with an absolutely free tuning (i had no idea of how the bar-steward was supposed to be tuned and, er... i followed a very personal method to do it).
it' fun to be 15, with no friend even loosely interested in music. and a pair of parents that would have better seen me with a kalashnikov rather than a guitar! :)

anyway when i finally understood how the guitar thing actually worked (gosh! that's why guitarists in music videos looked definitely different from my playing style!) i had a real guitar to learn on. also we had no pawnshop in italy, otherwise i believe my dad would have bought me one of those.
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Post by: Philosoful on March 28, 2010, 07:24:41 PM
Blackmachine did a Tele shape, I'm sure he'd make one if you asked, there's a photo somewhere of a girl holding a Blackmachine tele. Jamie of Diezel UK has one too, might be the same one, I've actually played it when trying Diezels! It ruled...
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Post by: Tellboy on March 29, 2010, 11:43:43 AM
So little wood between the neck plate and the neck - I would n't like to let it fall over (visions of SG type neck break).

Hmmm ...... looks like they had already noticed that too and stuck an aluminium plate inside  :)
http://saguaroguitars.com/about.html (http://saguaroguitars.com/about.html)
Title: Re: If Blackmachine made vintage Teles?...
Post by: Simon D on March 29, 2010, 07:12:36 PM
Not keen on the thin neck pocket thing at all. What's wrong with a sculpted or contoured heel, like on a Jim Root Tele?

Oh, and I think the kindest thing I can say about the Saguaro headstock is: It looks like I designed it. :wink:
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Post by: Philly Q on March 29, 2010, 07:25:27 PM
So little wood between the neck plate and the neck - I would n't like to let it fall over (visions of SG type neck break).

Hmmm ...... looks like they had already noticed that too and stuck an aluminium plate inside  :)
http://saguaroguitars.com/about.html (http://saguaroguitars.com/about.html)

It's all very clever - inventive stuff like that always fascinates me - but it seems a bit "sledgehammer to crack a walnut".

There's some slightly dodgy-looking woodwork in the last few pics on this page.  Surely there was a neater way of doing that string anchor:

http://saguaroguitars.com/tombstone.html (http://saguaroguitars.com/tombstone.html)