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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: tomjackson on April 01, 2010, 03:57:50 PM
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Are probably the reason somebody drilled a hole in my petrol tank to steal the petrol.
5 cars on my road got done and the worst part is they didn't get any fuel out of ours, it just p!ssed out when we drove down the road. It not good having petrol gushing out from your car when you have a 1 and 3 year old in the back.
Absolute tw*ts. :evil:
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Jeez! Nightmare!
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Drilling into metal near petrol?
Surely not a great idea...
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Prices will only go up and up. They'll never go down now, those of us who need a car to get about and don't earn a lot of money will suffer. $%&#ing up everything for everyone except those with lots of money. What a surprise.
Nothing like a fuel duty hike to kick us while were down, well done.
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in real terms fuel duty is making very little difference. Its pointless and definately sucks but 1p extra isnt breaking the bank.
The poor exchange rate is really not helping things at the moment and they should have considered that when doing the bloody budget
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The price of a barrel of oil is far less than what it was though, and the companies still have the nerve to slowly increase it to last years high.
Isn't it about $80 a barrel, and last year was $140
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Yep, prices of barrels are alot less than what they were, but we're supposed to believe that exchange rates are the reason why prices per litre are high.
My arse, it's pure greed. When I started driving november 2008 it was .89p a litre and that was when barrel prices were high.
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I think it is the rate of exchange that is causing the situation.
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it's pure greed.
always a factor ;)
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Here's what I found based on 2007 prices, but its much the same now in terms of what is included in your '£1 of petrol'... This breakdown is based on the assumption of a £1 per litre of petrol...
* Petrol Fuel Duty - 48.35p
* VAT (17.5%) - 14.9p
* Refinery Petrol Costs - 31.75p
* Forecourt Costs - 3p
* Forecourt Profit - 2p
This means that...
* the forecourt is 5%
* the oil cost is ~32%
* and taxation ~63%
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that sucks :(
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Ah but at least we know the taxation is being wisely spent.
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They do need those renovations on their second houses now don't they :shock:
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yes, i feel much happier knowing the huge amounts i've had to spend on petrol, road tax, insurance tax, VAT, purchase tax and any others i've missed out has helped to keep some ducks dry in the rain.
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it's not the ducks I'm so worried about as the bailout of the banks. Granted the MPs were up to all kinds of gip, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to the bailouts. and the way it's been done has basically propped up a dodgy system with no assurances that it won't happen again (in fact, arguably increasing the chances that it will).
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We have THE most expensive fuel in Europe here in Holland.
80% of it is tax.
Certain people are putting stolen or fake plates on their cars and steal it from the stations.
By certain people I mean; we all know who but we're not allowed to say it out loud.
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^ it's not the politicians, is it? :lol:
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LOL
No if politicians do it's not called stealing.
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it's not the ducks I'm so worried about as the bailout of the banks. Granted the MPs were up to all kinds of gip, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to the bailouts. and the way it's been done has basically propped up a dodgy system with no assurances that it won't happen again (in fact, arguably increasing the chances that it will).
Same here, it's the amount of money that was give with very little strings attached :?
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LOL
No if politicians do it's not called stealing.
touche :lol:
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It's all very easy to sit in our armchairs watching bbc news and complain about politicians - if anyone here thinks they know how to do a better job then why aren't you running for parliament? And if you don't know how to do a better job, what basis do you have for complaining about the people doing it at the moment?
There, I said it.
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Because we didn't have an expensive education at Eaton or parents with alot of money who were already involved in some way with politics.
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I needed petrol yesterday; I about died when I picked the pump up and it said 129.9 a litre!
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It's all very easy to sit in our armchairs watching bbc news and complain about politicians - if anyone here thinks they know how to do a better job then why aren't you running for parliament? And if you don't know how to do a better job, what basis do you have for complaining about the people doing it at the moment?
There, I said it.
That's about as old as it gets.
Have you ever complained about your car, television, computer, guitar, amp. I'm sure you have. Does that mean you shouldn't and build it yourself? Have you ever complained about the work of a carpenter, painter, plumber? You expect them to do a good job as you're paying for it.
Certain professions take special talents.
I don't have some of those talents and I don't want to get shot or stabbed either.
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It's all very easy to sit in our armchairs watching bbc news and complain about politicians - if anyone here thinks they know how to do a better job then why aren't you running for parliament? And if you don't know how to do a better job, what basis do you have for complaining about the people doing it at the moment?
There, I said it.
ok, i'll bite. (a) I'm very shy and don't like standing up in front of people talking. I certainly don't want to be on TV. (b) I don't want to get corrupted, which is pretty much guaranteed to happen if you try to enter politics (c) considering what i think, i'd never get voted in anyway (d) I don't like party politics, and there's no party close enough to what i think which i'd want to join (or more accurately, which isn't willing to change its policies if it increases its chances of getting voted in).
Plus what steve and ratrod said. probably a bunch of other reasons, too.
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It's all very easy to sit in our armchairs watching bbc news and complain about politicians - if anyone here thinks they know how to do a better job then why aren't you running for parliament? And if you don't know how to do a better job, what basis do you have for complaining about the people doing it at the moment?
There, I said it.
That's about as old as it gets.
Have you ever complained about your car, television, computer, guitar, amp. I'm sure you have. Does that mean you shouldn't and build it yourself? Have you ever complained about the work of a carpenter, painter, plumber? You expect them to do a good job as you're paying for it.
Certain professions take special talents.
I don't have some of those talents and I don't want to get shot or stabbed either.
I've complained about products insofar as "oh $%&#, it broke" etc, but I can't say I've ever been one to start slagging off the manufacturers, except perhaps on matters of taste. I complain about working conditions but not about the competency of my superiors, etc etc. I only complain about the quality of a person's work when I see myself as being in a position to understand it. Maybe sometimes I'm wrong, of course...
Because we didn't have an expensive education at Eaton or parents with alot of money who were already involved in some way with politics.
That's about as roundabout an answer as you could have given. Do you mean that you're not well educated enough to do the job? Or that the public (ie, us) only vote for rich kids who went to Eaton?
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ok, i'll bite. (a) I'm very shy and don't like standing up in front of people talking. I certainly don't want to be on TV. (b) I don't want to get corrupted, which is pretty much guaranteed to happen if you try to enter politics (c) considering what i think, i'd never get voted in anyway (d) I don't like party politics, and there's no party close enough to what i think which i'd want to join (or more accurately, which isn't willing to change its policies if it increases its chances of getting voted in).
Plus what steve and ratrod said. probably a bunch of other reasons, too.
a) Does anybody with half a brain? Fair reason though.
b) Why?
c) Nobody would get voted in if they said what they thought. The inherent problem with a democratic system is that everyone gets to vote on who they want to lead them.
d) Then why not be an independent candidate?
Point is, if you're not interested in trying to make a positive difference yourself, it sounds a bit rich sitting at home and slagging off everyone else's attempts. There's nothing necessarily wrong with not trying, but surely that should give you a degree of respect for those who do?
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We live in a representative democracy which is quite different to a true democracy.
Dont' even get me started on the house of lords.
I still think we'd be better off with an autocracy with me in charge, but hey that's just my opinion. For now...
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grrr, the quote thingy isn't working.
"That's about as roundabout an answer as you could have given. Do you mean that you're not well educated enough to do the job? Or that the public (ie, us) only vote for rich kids who went to Eaton?"
no, he means that in order to actually get put up for a seat (certainly for the tories, and it's probably not great for the other parties either) you have to have been from eton, or be from a political family. An odd one gets through with a more "normal" background, but generally you have to pretty much turn into a yah to get anywhere if that's the case. If I don't like the principle behind yahs, I'm not going to go fawning round them to get a few crumbs.
"a) Does anybody with half a brain? Fair reason though.
b) Why?
c) Nobody would get voted in if they said what they thought. The inherent problem with a democratic system is that everyone gets to vote on who they want to lead them.
d) Then why not be an independent candidate?
(e) Point is, if you're not interested in trying to make a positive difference yourself, it sounds a bit rich sitting at home and slagging off everyone else's attempts. There's nothing necessarily wrong with not trying, but surely that should give you a degree of respect for those who do?"
(a) :)
(b) cos i'm not, er, evil, and have no desire to be?
(c) yeah, but I'm not willing to lie or compromise on my principles to get in. that makes it pretty hard to compete with people who are.
(d) I don't want to be a politician, and independents generally get nowhere.
(e) are they trying to make a positive difference? cos if they are, I'm not seeing it. And it's extremely dangerous once you're willing to compromise on your ideals to get in, because once you're in then you can do what you want, so you justify it. I'm not a fan of the end justifying the means.
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Because we didn't have an expensive education at Eaton or parents with alot of money who were already involved in some way with politics.
That's about as roundabout an answer as you could have given. Do you mean that you're not well educated enough to do the job? Or that the public (ie, us) only vote for rich kids who went to Eaton?
No what I mean is, every candidate in the past 40 years has been from a fairly rich family and went to expensive schools.
When has there been any one from a public school from an average wage family that was a party leader of conservative or labour?
So yes, we only vote for rich kids because that's all there ever is to vote for. They're so out of touch with what happens for the majority in the real world that it's not even funny.
Why don't I try to make a difference? because I'm not well educated enough, my school went into special measures because of the total $%&# up that was the education system 9/10 years ago. I was taught by different supply teachers every day, most of my hard work was lost. The only subject I managed to excel in was Music which helped me get into college where again I passed both courses with flying colours.
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It's all very easy to sit in our armchairs watching bbc news and complain about politicians - if anyone here thinks they know how to do a better job then why aren't you running for parliament? And if you don't know how to do a better job, what basis do you have for complaining about the people doing it at the moment?
There, I said it.
So, based on that logic my 2 choices on taking action against Gordon Brown for losing £5 Billion on the gold fiasco is to either:-
A) Be quiet as I couldn't do better that, only a complete imbecile could lose that much
B) Attempt to become Prime Minister
Well I like to think there is a third option....
C) Talk about the man's incompetence with other VOTERS, engaging in DEBATE so thate we can all make an informed choice when we VOTE in our DEMOCRATIC ELECTION. From my ARMCHAIR (I'm on the settee actually).
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I agree Tom.
It's not about "Do you think you can do better?"
A man comes up and says he can do the job better than anyone else. You vote for the man, giving him your trust.
Later it turns out the man fooked up big time. Turns out he's not as good as he claimed to be.
In essence it's about integrety.
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"a) Does anybody with half a brain? Fair reason though.
b) Why?
c) Nobody would get voted in if they said what they thought. The inherent problem with a democratic system is that everyone gets to vote on who they want to lead them.
d) Then why not be an independent candidate?
(e) Point is, if you're not interested in trying to make a positive difference yourself, it sounds a bit rich sitting at home and slagging off everyone else's attempts. There's nothing necessarily wrong with not trying, but surely that should give you a degree of respect for those who do?"
(a) :)
(b) cos i'm not, er, evil, and have no desire to be?
(c) yeah, but I'm not willing to lie or compromise on my principles to get in. that makes it pretty hard to compete with people who are.
(d) I don't want to be a politician, and independents generally get nowhere.
(e) are they trying to make a positive difference? cos if they are, I'm not seeing it. And it's extremely dangerous once you're willing to compromise on your ideals to get in, because once you're in then you can do what you want, so you justify it. I'm not a fan of the end justifying the means.
b) I meant why is it a given that you would be corrupt?
c) Probably true, most of us aren't willing to go to the required lengths.
d) They get further than the rest of us do... Or if that's not the best route to implement the changes you know would be beneficial perhaps you'd be better in an advisory or journalistic role. Have you even written to any current politicians explaining your findings/arguments?
e) Would you know if you did see it though? Are you really in that well informed a position? I think it's pretty much a given that the overwhelmingly vast majority of people with jobs (including politicians) put at least some effort into their jobs. And I'm a consequentialist, so I have no problem at all with the ends justifying the means :)
I'm not suggesting that we all go out and become MPs, just trying to point out that the (vast) majority of us are not in a position to know better in any subject than those who spend their lives (and private educations, if you want to stereotype) studying it. Politics isn't any different just because we have newspapers to read...
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So, based on that logic my 2 choices on taking action against Gordon Brown for losing £5 Billion on the gold fiasco is to either:-
A) Be quiet as I couldn't do better that, only a complete imbecile could lose that much
B) Attempt to become Prime Minister
Well I like to think there is a third option....
C) Talk about the man's incompetence with other VOTERS, engaging in DEBATE so thate we can all make an informed choice when we VOTE in our DEMOCRATIC ELECTION. From my ARMCHAIR (I'm on the settee actually).
Moaning and debate are two VERY different things. Nothing in this thread constitutes debate. Engaging in intelligent and constructive debate is of course something to encourage, but when nobody here has a genuine argument or point to make that's not going to happen. B is a pretty narrow take on what I said in my original post...
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Later it turns out the man fooked up big time. Turns out he's not as good as he claimed to be.
How, though, do you justify this claim?
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No what I mean is, every candidate in the past 40 years has been from a fairly rich family and went to expensive schools.
When has there been any one from a public school from an average wage family that was a party leader of conservative or labour?
So yes, we only vote for rich kids because that's all there ever is to vote for. They're so out of touch with what happens for the majority in the real world that it's not even funny.
Why don't I try to make a difference? because I'm not well educated enough, my school went into special measures because of the total $%&# up that was the education system 9/10 years ago. I was taught by different supply teachers every day, most of my hard work was lost. The only subject I managed to excel in was Music which helped me get into college where again I passed both courses with flying colours.
It's just not true that every candidate has been expensively educated...
Party leaders, you're most likely right though I couldn't say for sure. So?
You complain that no candidates are from normal backgrounds, then use the fact that you are from a normal background as a reason why you *couldn't* be a candidate - why not?
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So, based on that logic my 2 choices on taking action against Gordon Brown for losing £5 Billion on the gold fiasco is to either:-
A) Be quiet as I couldn't do better that, only a complete imbecile could lose that much
B) Attempt to become Prime Minister
Well I like to think there is a third option....
C) Talk about the man's incompetence with other VOTERS, engaging in DEBATE so thate we can all make an informed choice when we VOTE in our DEMOCRATIC ELECTION. From my ARMCHAIR (I'm on the settee actually).
Moaning and debate are two VERY different things. Nothing in this thread constitutes debate. Engaging in intelligent and constructive debate is of course something to encourage, but when nobody here has a genuine argument or point to make that's not going to happen. B is a pretty narrow take on what I said in my original post...
Well all you have done Dr Stein is moan about people not respecting polititians rather than addinig anything yourself that constitutes debate on petrol prices or taxation.
Not that I care, the thread was about some dick drilling a hole in my fuel tank.
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When has there been any one from a public school from an average wage family that was a party leader of conservative or labour?
Well, a few for starters:
James Callaghan - son of a Chief Petty Officer
Neil Kinnock - son of a coal miner
Margaret Thatcher - daughter of a grocer
John Major - son of a music hall performer, left school with 3 O-Levels
Michael Howard - son of a shopkeeper
We could argue about "average wage", and many of the above may have won scholarships to good schools before going on to top universities - but it was all through their own hard work.
Politicians aren't all born with silver spoons in their mouths.
(Sorry to hear about your petrol tank situation, Tom)
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b) I meant why is it a given that you would be corrupt?
c) Probably true, most of us aren't willing to go to the required lengths.
d) They get further than the rest of us do... Or if that's not the best route to implement the changes you know would be beneficial perhaps you'd be better in an advisory or journalistic role. Have you even written to any current politicians explaining your findings/arguments?
e) Would you know if you did see it though? Are you really in that well informed a position? I think it's pretty much a given that the overwhelmingly vast majority of people with jobs (including politicians) put at least some effort into their jobs. And I'm a consequentialist, so I have no problem at all with the ends justifying the means :)
(f) I'm not suggesting that we all go out and become MPs, just trying to point out that the (vast) majority of us are not in a position to know better in any subject than those who spend their lives (and private educations, if you want to stereotype) studying it. Politics isn't any different just because we have newspapers to read...
(b) because virtually every single one currently in power is? and to get there it's pretty much a given that you have to become corrupt or you'll lose out to someone who already is?
(c) :)
(d) no. I don't see the point, all the ones here care about is flagwaving.
(e) well currently I see them attempting to criminalise a drug that pretty much everyone on the drug advisory council has said shouldn't be criminalised... that "informed" thing goes both ways. I wouldn't say most politicians are too informed in matters of science, yet seem to think they can blithely ignore it, and only seem to want to hire scientists to rubber stamp what they already think and give their populist policies the air of legitimacy. Maybe I'm not informed in how science works, either. :?
(f) that's not really my point, though. Politics, in and of itself, is pretty much about how to get elected. There's other stuff, like economic, social, scientific, etc. etc. policies, but if you ask me, your contention (as i already suggested) that we aren't well enough qualified to judge politics should also apply to politicians- they seem to think (look at what alan johnson said when he fired professor nut) that they're uniquely qualified to pontificate about everything, while I would argue that the experts in those fields are the only ones qualified. I'm not necessarily complaining about the politics (though I am too)- I'm complaining about how arrogant they are, when, on the one hand, they complain when anyone else tries to complain about politics (and people like you fall for it), but feel perfectly qualified to pontificate about every subject under the sun. I would also point out that politicians are the only people who get appointed based on a popular vote; we don't appoint doctors, scientists, etc. etc. (cynics would say "any job which matters") that way.
Moaning and debate are two VERY different things. Nothing in this thread constitutes debate. Engaging in intelligent and constructive debate is of course something to encourage, but when nobody here has a genuine argument or point to make that's not going to happen. B is a pretty narrow take on what I said in my original post...
please don't presume that none of us has a genuine argument. I have plenty of genuine arguments, and I'm sure plenty of the others in here do too.
(a) John Major - son of a music hall performer, left school with 3 O-Levels
(b) We could argue about "average wage", and many of the above may have won scholarships to good schools before going on to top universities - but it was all through their own hard work.
Politicians aren't all born with silver spoons in their mouths.
(a) and it didn't show. at all. :lol:
(b) I never said they all were toffs. but if you take a poll of how many are toffs, versus how many people in the general population are toffs, I imagine there's a bit of a discrepancy there.
and hard work or gip? :lol:
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When has there been any one from a public school from an average wage family that was a party leader of conservative or labour?
Well, a few for starters:
James Callaghan - son of a Chief Petty Officer
Neil Kinnock - son of a coal miner
Margaret Thatcher - daughter of a grocer
John Major - son of a music hall performer, left school with 3 O-Levels
Michael Howard - son of a shopkeeper
We could argue about "average wage", and many of the above may have won scholarships to good schools before going on to top universities - but it was all through their own hard work.
Politicians aren't all born with silver spoons in their mouths.
(Sorry to hear about your petrol tank situation, Tom)
Fair point Phil, it shows you don't have to be born a toff to act like one :P
Atleast I do have a bit of restecp for Maggie about the Falklands, but, the history of PMs is appalling, the fact that we voted for them all feels bad, but we didn't even elect Brown
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Sorry to hear about your petrol problem, Tom. Sucks :(
re: politics: what I'm most fed up with, from ALL parties, is them moaning and bitching about what the other lot want to do/did/are doing.
If you're a politician, I want to know WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO. Please, treat me with respect by allowing me to make my own judgements about the other parties.
I used to like the Lib Dems (and I suppose I still prefer them to Tory and Labour), but they, too, have been embarking on this blame game of late, and I'm sick to death of it.
Which reminds me, got a leaflet (from Labour, if you read the small print) saying how Cameron is wishing I'd vote Lib Dem. Err... FAIL! Cameron is rather hoping I'll vote Tory, you $%&#ing cretins. And I don't need Labour to tell me this. I guess they don't have anything useful to say after all...
Roo
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well, to be fair, i guess cameron would rather you vote for the lib dems than for labour. but agreed, he wants you to vote for the tories as a first preference, voting lib dem instead of labour is more of a consolation prize for them. EDIT: but i agree that the tactics suck... trying to make you feel that if you vote for the lib dems it's your fault if the tories get in. No, it's the fault of the people who voted the tories in, and it's also labour's fault for being so cr@p. Granted, if your #1 aim is to stop the tories, then vote labour. But if you think they're both as bad as each other (more or less), then vote for whomever you want.
i liked the lib dems better before they started getting rid of all their decent policies, like free university education.
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Granted, if your #1 aim is to stop the tories, then vote labour. But if you think they're both as bad as each other (more or less), then vote for whomever you want.
Depending on the situation in your own constituency, of course. There are some seats Labour will never win (and likewise for the Tories). In those seats the Lib Dems might be a realistic alternative.
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Granted, if your #1 aim is to stop the tories, then vote labour. But if you think they're both as bad as each other (more or less), then vote for whomever you want.
Depending on the situation in your own constituency, of course. There are some seats Labour will never win (and likewise for the Tories). In those seats the Lib Dems might be a realistic alternative.
And I'm sorry, but saying that one party will never win a particular constituency is just wrong. Okay, based on past history, it's unlikely in many cases, but the fact remains - if enough people vote for one party in that constituency, they will win that seat, no matter who has been in charge before!!
It's precisely this mentality of 'wasted vote' that irritates me, and it's one of the major reasons we're generally left with a 2-horse race in most constituencies (labour/tory/lib dems mainly of course, but the occasional constituency goes for one of the smaller parties or independent). If people actually got it into their fat heads that they can vote for any bloody party they like, it's NOT just between Tory and Labour, this country might not be in such a laughable state! (although it probably would be).
Roo
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And I'm sorry, but saying that one party will never win a particular constituency is just wrong. Okay, based on past history, it's unlikely in many cases, but the fact remains - if enough people vote for one party in that constituency, they will win that seat, no matter who has been in charge before!!
Strictly speaking you're right, of course (but I'll be amazed if the Tories win big numbers of seats in Wales or Scotland, for example).
It's precisely this mentality of 'wasted vote' that irritates me, and it's one of the major reasons we're generally left with a 2-horse race in most constituencies (labour/tory/lib dems mainly of course, but the occasional constituency goes for one of the smaller parties or independent). If people actually got it into their fat heads that they can vote for any bloody party they like, it's NOT just between Tory and Labour, this country might not be in such a laughable state! (although it probably would be).
Keep your hair on Roo, I wasn't advocating tactical voting and I don't believe in the "wasted vote", or the "anyone-but-them" vote. In fact I agree with you. I was trying to point out that the Lib Dems (for example) might actually gain some seats if people didn't take the view that it's always a two-horse race. If we all voted as we wanted, rather than trying to second-guess our fellow constituents, things might be different.
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When has there been any one from a public school from an average wage family that was a party leader of conservative or labour?
Well, a few for starters:
James Callaghan - son of a Chief Petty Officer
Neil Kinnock - son of a coal miner
Margaret Thatcher - daughter of a grocer
John Major - son of a music hall performer, left school with 3 O-Levels
Michael Howard - son of a shopkeeper
We could argue about "average wage", and many of the above may have won scholarships to good schools before going on to top universities - but it was all through their own hard work.
Politicians aren't all born with silver spoons in their mouths.
(Sorry to hear about your petrol tank situation, Tom)
Fair point Phil, it shows you don't have to be born a toff to act like one :P
Atleast I do have a bit of restecp for Maggie about the Falklands, but, the history of PMs is appalling, the fact that we voted for them all feels bad, but we didn't even elect Brown
This infuriates me, Gordon Brown is an elected MP. If you mean we didn't vote specifically for him to be Prime Minister, you're right, but we haven't voted specifically for ANY Prime Minister, EVER.
He's another one of the public school (of the Scottish sort, not what people bizarrely call public schools in England) educated, medium income family born party leaders, too.
Also, we will never have a remotely fair election until proper proportional representation happens.
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And I'm sorry, but saying that one party will never win a particular constituency is just wrong. Okay, based on past history, it's unlikely in many cases, but the fact remains - if enough people vote for one party in that constituency, they will win that seat, no matter who has been in charge before!!
Strictly speaking you're right, of course (but I'll be amazed if the Tories win big numbers of seats in Wales or Scotland, for example).
It's precisely this mentality of 'wasted vote' that irritates me, and it's one of the major reasons we're generally left with a 2-horse race in most constituencies (labour/tory/lib dems mainly of course, but the occasional constituency goes for one of the smaller parties or independent). If people actually got it into their fat heads that they can vote for any bloody party they like, it's NOT just between Tory and Labour, this country might not be in such a laughable state! (although it probably would be).
Keep your hair on Roo, I wasn't advocating tactical voting and I don't believe in the "wasted vote", or the "anyone-but-them" vote. In fact I agree with you. I was trying to point out that the Lib Dems (for example) might actually gain some seats if people didn't take the view that it's always a two-horse race. If we all voted as we wanted, rather than trying to second-guess our fellow constituents, things might be different.
Wasn't having a go at you, Philly, just wanted to make the point! :)
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Depending on the situation in your own constituency, of course. There are some seats Labour will never win (and likewise for the Tories). In those seats the Lib Dems might be a realistic alternative.
yeah.
And I'm sorry, but saying that one party will never win a particular constituency is just wrong. Okay, based on past history, it's unlikely in many cases, but the fact remains - if enough people vote for one party in that constituency, they will win that seat, no matter who has been in charge before!!
It's precisely this mentality of 'wasted vote' that irritates me, and it's one of the major reasons we're generally left with a 2-horse race in most constituencies (labour/tory/lib dems mainly of course, but the occasional constituency goes for one of the smaller parties or independent). If people actually got it into their fat heads that they can vote for any bloody party they like, it's NOT just between Tory and Labour, this country might not be in such a laughable state! (although it probably would be).
Roo
also yeah.
I actually don't have a problem with tactical voting if the alternative really is dire; for example, if there's a chance the bnp might get in or something like that. But considering how close labour and the tories are, if you ask me there's not much point.
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But considering how close labour and the tories are, if you ask me there's not much point.
No no no no no!
Considering how close they: 'are in some opinion polls' or 'were in previous elections' - yes - but for any upcoming election, nothing is decided IN ANY FORM until the votes are cast and counted!!
I wish people would stop assuming that history = present/future. This mindset precludes any meaningful change of any type!!
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But considering how close labour and the tories are, if you ask me there's not much point.
No no no no no!
Considering how close they: 'are in some opinion polls' or 'were in previous elections' - yes - but for any upcoming election, nothing is decided IN ANY FORM until the votes are cast and counted!!
I wish people would stop assuming that history = present/future. This mindset precludes any meaningful change of any type!!
I read that as Dave saying that they're so close in policy, not in voting numbers?
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So much was a new fuel tank for your motor Tom?
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So much was a new fuel tank for your motor Tom?
Looks like £300 - £400 but I might have a go at fixing it. IT's just a hole in a plastic tank after all. Now if I can just find that lighter so I can see what I'm doing :twisted:
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But considering how close labour and the tories are, if you ask me there's not much point.
No no no no no!
Considering how close they: 'are in some opinion polls' or 'were in previous elections' - yes - but for any upcoming election, nothing is decided IN ANY FORM until the votes are cast and counted!!
I wish people would stop assuming that history = present/future. This mindset precludes any meaningful change of any type!!
Your right actually Roo, based on the BKP opinion forum The Lib Dems are winning by far so who knows? Every party has a chance until the votes are cast (Except if you are aginst a party Gearge W is leading or it is in Zimbabwe)
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I read that as Dave saying that they're so close in policy, not in voting numbers?
yeah, that's what i meant.
that sucks on the cost of fixing the petrol tank. :(
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Later it turns out the man fooked up big time. Turns out he's not as good as he claimed to be.
How, though, do you justify this claim?
I don't have to. If I'm unsatisfied with the politician's performance, I'll vote for another one.
Democracy.
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I was deiving from South Coast Devon to North Coast Devon today and right in the middle in some desolate village I spotted unleaded at £1.26 a litre. Almost crashed the car in disbelief.