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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Ian Price on April 14, 2010, 12:55:49 AM
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I did. I thought it was a load of sh!t. Worst performance of the night was difficult to pick out but I think Marina and the Diamonds might have taken it. Awful, awful, awful stuff.
I hope it doesn't continue like this for the rest of the series.
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...I think Marina and the Diamonds might have taken it. Awful, awful, awful stuff.
Absolutely!!!
What is it with that pathetic attention seeking singing style? God awful stuff... (but yes I would f**k her if she'd shut up)
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I saw most of it. Did Paul Rodgers actually perform, or was he just interviewed?
Didn't know what to make of Marina and the Diamonds - hated it at first, and her singing style is ridiculously affected, but it was kind of growing on me by the end of the song. :?
I really do not like Paul Weller.
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...I think Marina and the Diamonds might have taken it. Awful, awful, awful stuff.
Absolutely!!!
What is it with that pathetic attention seeking singing style? God awful stuff... (but yes I would f**k her if she'd shut up)
It was almost unlistenable - I had to keep it on though, it made me chuckle. 'm sure that wasn't her intention. I bet you can think of a way to keep her quiet!
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I saw most of it. Did Paul Rodgers actually perform, or was he just interviewed?
Didn't know what to make of Marina and the Diamonds - hated it at first, and her singing style is ridiculously affected, but it was kind of growing on me by the end of the song. :?
I really do not like Paul Weller.
Well, he did sing but it seemed very awkward and unrehearsed. I'm also not a fan of Weller but do like some of his songs. What he played tonight was an absolute turd though. I really though both were rubbish. And he needs a new hairstyle.
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Yep, but fortunately I had an essay about the affect of Butlers theories of performativity on gender to take my mind off of it.
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...I think Marina and the Diamonds might have taken it. Awful, awful, awful stuff.
Absolutely!!!
What is it with that pathetic attention seeking singing style? God awful stuff... (but yes I would f**k her if she'd shut up)
It was almost unlistenable - I had to keep it on though, it made me chuckle. 'm sure that wasn't her intention. I bet you can think of a way to keep her quiet!
I've got a ball-gag and a roll of electrical tape just waiting for a romantic night together...
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...I think Marina and the Diamonds might have taken it. Awful, awful, awful stuff.
Absolutely!!!
What is it with that pathetic attention seeking singing style? God awful stuff... (but yes I would f**k her if she'd shut up)
It was almost unlistenable - I had to keep it on though, it made me chuckle. 'm sure that wasn't her intention. I bet you can think of a way to keep her quiet!
I've got a ball-gag and a roll of electrical tape just waiting for a romantic night together...
Reminds me of a recently taken pic...
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9705.0;attach=7914;image
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I'm also not a fan of Weller but do like some of his songs. What he played tonight was an absolute turd though. I really though both were rubbish. And he needs a new hairstyle.
Amen to that, he's 51, not 21.
He seems to be one of these people you're "supposed" to think is wonderfully talented and utterly beyond criticism. And he totally believes his own myth, he just loves that "Modfather" tag. Arrogant, humourless tit.
(Edit: Hmmm, this thread went totally batsh!t while I was typing that.... )
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And he's got a girlfriend less than half his age (apparently). He's like one of those embarrassing British people you come across on a Benidorm holiday.
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He seems to be one of these people you're "supposed" to think is wonderfully talented and utterly beyond criticism. And he totally believes his own myth, he just loves that "Modfather" tag. Arrogant, humourless tit.
Agreed... why is he so venerated? C0ckfather.
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...I think Marina and the Diamonds might have taken it. Awful, awful, awful stuff.
Absolutely!!!
What is it with that pathetic attention seeking singing style? God awful stuff... (but yes I would f**k her if she'd shut up)
It was almost unlistenable - I had to keep it on though, it made me chuckle. 'm sure that wasn't her intention. I bet you can think of a way to keep her quiet!
I've got a ball-gag and a roll of electrical tape just waiting for a romantic night together...
(http://www.captainsquid.com/go/duct_tape.jpg)
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I watched it last night too. It was $%&#ing awful! Who picks this bunch of wank? Some tosser in the BBC seems to be favouring this stuff. Its not what you know eh...God that place needs a revolution its embarrassing.
I was messing about doing impressions of that girl singing I am not a robot in the kitchen making a cup of tea with my brother, we couldn't quite believe that they would put such cr@p on!
That bunch of blokes with the oil drum were as bad too. Why do the foolish people there dance to this cr@p to be cool? It's rubbish!
They have been putting weird things on this show for a while. Did any one see that band Wild Beasts a while back. shiteee!
I like Paul Weller but he wasn't at his best last night but being in a room with a bunch of space cadets like that its hardly surprising, he must have been embarrassed to be there.
He played a great set at the Brits 06 and can play really well live normally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH_L3kLbDFc&feature=related
As for his hair, well don't most ageing rock stars get slated for this in their 50's and as for the age of his woman well so what, that's his business! I should think he can afford a bit more than Benidorm for a holiday. He is not really that bad now is he! :roll:
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I watched it for a few mins last night. Ive also stood in the audience before.
They put that 'weird' stuff on because its appeals to a particular group of people.
I was thinking about this last night. It's been bad for a while but I think thats just the state of - not only mainstream popular music - but also the levels of pop (and other genres) beneath that.
I think with the rise of lily allen, kate nash, etc... there has been a surge of labels signing people such as la roux, little boots, florence and the machine, marina and the diamonds, paloma faith... it's all gimmick ridden turd as far as i'm concerned. Or at least thats how its sold. Any musical talent at the back and whatever gimmick front.
Bat For Lashes i think is really good... at least her first record was... but you don't see Natasha Kahn all over TV. She's got a lot of visuals that go along with her music, but the songs hold there own.
I get annoyed by this c--kney girl in a vintage 1940s dress regurgitating second rate 90's dance tunes and pretending its some kind of neo-classical folk because she isn't on ecstacy and has a retro-contemporary haircut.
I've found everything Paul Weller has every done absolutely boring and the sight of him make me wonder..."why?"
Jools Holland used to be the best music showcase on TV, and to be honest, I think it still is. Compare it to some other shows. They are mostly as bad, if not worse.
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I've never heard of Marina and the Diamonds till this thread, so I've looked at the myspace and currently have the first track, I'm Not A Robot on. I think it's an absolute belter :lol: Really, crackin' tune.
I'm going to download an album.
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i aint heard the recorded version, but live on jools that song was just some pseudo-kate bush warbling by someone in some wacky clothes which came off as a poorly executed and utterly boring extension of dozen other similar artists. Even the backing bored looked bored to tears.
having an unusual singing voice does not make you as good as Kate Bush. This is the lesson.
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I've never heard of Marina and the Diamonds till this thread, so I've looked at the myspace and currently have the first track, I'm Not A Robot on. I think it's an absolute belter :lol: Really, crackin' tune.
I'm going to download an album.
That's one very dry sense of humour you've got there.... :lol:
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You are a mentalist. :?
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I'm entirely serious. Though the second track on myspace wasn't at all as good.
Oh, and her voice is no more effected than the oodles of UK vocalists who insist on kidding on they're Americans whenever they sing.
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haha, yeah I have to agree with that!
Our old vocalist sang in his native wirral.
Mainland europeans couldn't understand him at all, but its better than him being jarg american
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i don't mind marina and the diamonds, though as philly says, the affected singing style (at least, I hope it's affected!) is annoying.
I forgot about the show, though, i'll watch it on friday i guess. or iplayer.
Oh, and her voice is no more effected than the oodles of UK vocalists who insist on kidding on they're Americans whenever they sing.
affected, not effected (is effected even a word? "lathered in effects", i guess). at least, I assume that's what philly means (it's what I mean, anyway).
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Typo, it's what I meant too, as is surely obvious by the context.
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Oh, and her voice is no more effected than the oodles of UK vocalists who insist on kidding on they're Americans whenever they sing.
affected, not effected (is effected even a word? "lathered in effects", i guess). at least, I assume that's what philly means (it's what I mean, anyway).
Yeah, I meant affected in the sense of "affectation". nfe has a good point about people singing with American accents, but that's been going on for the whole history of popular music. We've now got this whole slew of female vocalists (Winehouse, Pixie Lott, Paloma Faith, Duffy, Florence, Diana Vickers, this Marina bird etc etc.....) who sing in these strange whiney-little-girl voices or with accents that don't exist anywhere in the known world. I don't hate them, but there are too many of them.
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It's not really putting on an accent though is it, it's putting on a voice. You can still hear their own accents for the most part.
What they're doing isn't at all new either, let's be honest, it's just that a lot of people have rediscovered singers from 40+ years ago and are copying it and folk are in turn copying them, whereas folks have been putting on yank accents throughout.
I think putting on a voice for musical reasons is fine and dandy (thoygh som folks are always going to hate it, obviously), but forcing an accent drives me up the wall and reeks of insincerity.
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Typo, it's what I meant too, as is surely obvious by the context.
touché. I didn't even notice the american thing at the end. :oops:
I'll take american accents over really obvious english ones for rock and pop, i hate those accents that people like arctic monkeys use (to clarify, I don't mean the accent, I mean when it comes through in the singing- that's an affectation too, your accent shouldn't really come through when you're singing anyway (apart from obvious things where they're pronounced differently, like rhotic versus non-rhotic etc.)). Plus, it depends on where you're from in the UK. I read a review about biffy clyro in the guardian (worst music coverage ever), and it complained about the "mid-atlantic" accent it was sung in. now, last time I checked, biffy clyro are from scotland, and their singing sounds to me like a scottish accent. :?
oh, and paloma faith is awesome.
EDIT: ironically enough, the bit that annoys me about marina is the more affected english accent, like the bit in hollywood "ak-tyoo-lee my name's marina"
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They're all the spiritual descendants of Eartha Kitt.
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Plus, it depends on where you're from in the UK. I read a review about biffy clyro in the guardian (worst music coverage ever), and it complained about the "mid-atlantic" accent it was sung in. now, last time I checked, biffy clyro are from scotland, and their singing sounds to me like a scottish accent. :?
Depends on what album you're listening to. I loathe Biffy Clyro, for various reasons, but a friend of mine is probably their biggest fan (had a front page spread in her local paper for managing to spend £10k in the space of a year on them :lol:) so I've heard all their albums repeatedly, and there's an overt mid-atlantic thing happening at times, and a very exagerrated, twee Ayrshire accent at others.
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Just checked out Marina on spotify...............................
Didn't even get through the full song, oh dear. Not my thing at all I'm afraid.
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Some of these girl signers mentioned here are not really in the same ball park as this Marina girl, she is a bit too weird, probably just for the sake of it over actual content. We've had weird female vocalists in the past, Polly Styrene, from X-Ray Specs, the Bowowow singer Annabella Lwin ect Or is it us lot getting old and this bird is cool to her generation? I still think she's rubbish. What about those Gypsys? No one's mentioned them, at least they had some energy.
Dave, I can't see how its ok to sing in a false American accent is acceptable and singing in a UK regional accent isn't but you being the constant pedant, I can't say I'm surprised.
I think it sounds good having regional accents. Look at the punk scene, I can't imagine Dead Citys by The Exploited would sound very convincing if Wattie Buchan sang it in the style of Bobby Darin.
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Some of these girl signers mentioned here are not really in the same ball park as this Marina girl,
I'm sure the deaf would really enjoy Marina, she is rather hot. :lol:
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Depends on what album you're listening to. I loathe Biffy Clyro, for various reasons, but a friend of mine is probably their biggest fan (had a front page spread in her local paper for managing to spend £10k in the space of a year on them :lol:) so I've heard all their albums repeatedly, and there's an overt mid-atlantic thing happening at times, and a very exagerrated, twee Ayrshire accent at others.
i'm just going by the songs I've heard, I'm not really a fan at all. :?
Dave, I can't see how its ok to sing in a false American accent is acceptable and singing in a UK regional accent isn't but you being the constant pedant, I can't say I'm surprised.
I think it sounds good having regional accents. Look at the punk scene, I can't imagine Dead Citys by The Exploited would sound very convincing if Wattie Buchan sang it in the style of Bobby Darin.
I didn't mean that at all. I just meant if we have to listen to put-on accents, I prefer the american ones, as they seem to work for rock. The rock I listen to, anyway. EDIT: surely if I'd meant what you thought I did, that was the opposite of pedantry? and your pointing it out was pedantic? :lol:
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I'm not sure people actually decide to sing in an American accent, or that it's an effort for them to "force" one.
I suspect in most cases they do it without even thinking about it, because American-accented English is the language of rock'n'roll. They just unconsciously copy the singing of their heroes (be they American or British).
(Yes I know there are lots of exceptions. No need to list them. :P )
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Some of these girl signers mentioned here are not really in the same ball park as this Marina girl,
I'm sure the deaf would really enjoy Marina, she is rather hot. :lol:
To me it's not that different from BAt For Lashes
Florence and the Machine
etc etc
Quirky in a Tori Amos meets Kate Bush type thing
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Could it be that some of these American accents are used to appeal to a wider audience, get radio play and more sales? I'm bet some producers work like that.
What's worse, a winey bird voice or an over done club singer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRwgNtv29ig
I think we're stuck with the winey bird pop for a while. Until the next thing becomes the fash'. I don't mind a bit Paloma Faith and Florence. Marina and her ilk will spawn weirder shite. Did she get her image ideas from Gerry Andersons Marina? I can't see what people get out of it. Perhaps someone should start a testosterone fuelled rock revolution or just clean the BBC out of trendy Tobys and Tabathas and get some decent bands on the show. It's not the people who pay the license fee who want this rubbish its a minority. Who probably live in Crouch End. :shock:
Dave your a pedant! :D
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^ :lol:
some of it probably is music label/producer pressure if they're trying to break the states.
I can't stand florence and the machine or bat for lashes, though- too experimental for me. But i like paloma and marina. Considering the stuff that passed for pop music when i was in school (and the other kids controlled the cd player- vengaboys and rubbish like that o_O ), the current stuff is pretty good, as far as i'm concerned. things are going to have to get pretty bad before it's as bad as the late 90s and early 00s...
I'm not sure people actually decide to sing in an American accent, or that it's an effort for them to "force" one.
I suspect in most cases they do it without even thinking about it, because American-accented English is the language of rock'n'roll. They just unconsciously copy the singing of their heroes (be they American or British).
(Yes I know there are lots of exceptions. No need to list them. :P )
yeah, same here. that's what happens when i sing (not that anyone would want to hear that o_O). My accent isn't a million miles off an american one, though (and seems to be getting closer every day with all the tv i watch), maybe that's why I find them easier to listen to, too. Though every time I hear a Northern Irish accent on TV, I cringe, so I'm not sure what's going on there. :lol:
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Just listened to Marina and the Diamonds for the first time - that Robot song lets stuck in your head right away. Its probably not a song I'd rush out to buy, but it's got a weird quality to it that I can't quite put my finger on.
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Well, I missed most of it.
Saw Paul Weller at the end. Me and the missus stared at it in silence, and then when it finished... there was still silence... and then we looked at each other and both burst out laughing. I'm not sure whether this was because of his hair, or because we were relieved the other one thought it was sh1t as well :lol: (we kinda like him, but he always looks like he takes hisself so seriously!)
However, you chaps have piqued my interest. This poor Marina girl... never heard of her, but how bad could she be? So I am at this moment on Spotify listening to her ...
Sorry folks, I kinda like her stuff (EDIT: I absolutely LOVE her stuff) Started with I am not a Robot - really enjoyed it (EDIT: but I think it's weak compared to some of the other songs).
.... So I ended up listening to more. I assume this is her first album. Does she write her own sh1t? Does she play instruments? If she does - and this is her first one - she's potentially as good as Kate Bush. I have to admit that I'm one of the people who regard that lady as something of a genius, but I remember when I first saw Wuthering Heights I thought it was utter cack... (still do, actually :lol:).
I can hear a lot of Kate Bush in some of her backing vox - but I expect her folks have got all KBs records. And her range is the same, she's an alto really - so when she goes higher she has to go into her "head-voice" (equivalent of male falsetto). But she's got quite a strong head-voice, and she's not afraid to mix the two - and that's the same effect you got out of KB early on: a strong lower voice, and then a sudden jump to something that sounds like it's a different voice.
I've heard over half the album now - it's actually the first "new" album I've actually wanted to get in years and years...
Still - I do imagine that she might not be very good live at the moment. But if it's on tonight, I'll see if I can remember to watch.
On the accents thing - that was what I going to start talking about until her album distracted me - as a singer myself, you're kind of stuck with what comes out of your gob and what made you want to sing in the first place. With a lot of effort you can steer it, but you've got to figure out what you want to be first. I'm continually having to eradicate weird americanisms that sneak in - and I don't even know I'm doing them.
But this girl is completely different to that - she's consciously going all over the place with it. She's using accents when she wants, she's stretching and bending sounds to suit her purpose and the song/performance. Some of it works, some of it doesn't so well, but overall it's a stunning effort.
EDIT: Heard all of it now - not a single song I wanted to fast forward...
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I've heard over half the album now - it's actually the first "new" album I've actually wanted to get in years and years...
To be fair, it's probably the first new album you've listened to in years and years... :P
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:lol:
I do have to put up with stuff from the missus, sometimes.
No, I have to admit the last one I got this excited about was Different Class. I've got some Franz Ferdinand etc, but I probably won't bother listening to them again.
Does she play an instrument/write then? The songs/vocals sound like she might be a singer/songwriter, and a piano player.
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She certainly writes her own stuff. And turns out she's a solo artist, "The Diamonds" aren't a band:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_and_the_Diamonds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_and_the_Diamonds)
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does she write it or co-write it?
but yeah, i said i liked the couple of songs by her that I've heard.
must remember to watch jools tonight. :lol:
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does she write it or co-write it?
Just looked at the writing credits for her album - she wrote 7 and co-wrote the other 6.
(Are we being a little sexist here? If it was a man I think we'd just assume he wrote his own songs, but if it's a woman we feel the need to ask the question.... )
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Probably more because she's human and not the Chimpanzee one would expect to have written that bilge.
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Just looked at the writing credits for her album - she wrote 7 and co-wrote the other 6.
(Are we being a little sexist here? If it was a man I think we'd just assume he wrote his own songs, but if it's a woman we feel the need to ask the question.... )
nah, i asked because she's a pop star and i don't trust pop stars, whether male or female, i've seen too many where it was claimed he/she wrote his/her own songs, only to find 4 professional writers' names followed by the popstar in question.
I don't assume a man writes his own songs either.
And obviously writing the song all on your own is no achievement if the song sucks :lol:
EDIT: actually, if anything I'm also suspicious because of sexism... but not my own sexism, the sexism of the music industry. it's not a coincidence that almost every single female popstar or singer is ridiculously beautiful (with the odd exception thrown in, either to attempt to counteract the accusations of sexism, or because the music is so good that they think they can sell it anyway). Considering she fits the mould, it makes me suspicious. They pick based on looks first, then malleable personality (i.e. will she do what the record company tells her?), then finally musical ability.
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I can't believe I missed this thread and ended up watching it last night! It was rubbish.
Maria and the diamonds were shitee as well, different I suppose but style over substance. She'll probably win the Mercury though.
Paul Weller made me want to jump out of the window. He didn't have style or substance!
Andy, this is for you....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJbjAwvRWLs
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I didn't think last nights episode really did anything new. Four of teh bands have been on before, nothing really that new and exciting, and a lack of a real big name. Soem of teh upcoming episodes have some good lineups...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/later/
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I'd forgotten about Gogol Bordello. Kept expecting them to launch into "Live is Life".
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jools holland definately used to be better - doesnt have the variety it used to. bit of a formula now. someone old, someone new and the rest is a lot more charty than it used to be. where has the 'world' music gone, not to mention the weird stuff ???
I quite liked marina - but that villagers fellow was cack
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Saw it last night.
Mr Weller - very disappointing.
Gogol wotsit - crazy b@stards!! Enjoyed them immensely, felt like I was watching the Eurovision Song Contest, though :lol:
Villagers - quite enjoyed his first one, second one was a bit boring, reckon a gig longer than two songs would be a bit of trial for me... (I suspect Marina gave him a good seeing to in the green room afterwards... :lol: During his first song, you could see her in the background, she was utterly transfixed by what he was doing, I can see why, it's about the songwriting)
Hot ???? - disliked this lot intensely by the end of their 1st song, subsequent performance did not improve this. I've no idea why... they're musical, inventive, but they're just not for me.
The instrumental lot - quite enjoyed them as well, but the guitar playing was a bit ragged in the second half which spoiled it for me... I'd have been happy seeing it live
Paul Rodgers - legend, er, not much else to say... didn't let hisself down, didn't do anything amazing, wouldn't have been sad if I'd missed it
Marina - having gone so crazy about her yesterday on listening on Spotify, I have to say that I would NOT have got that excited by this performance. It was OK, but she's got some work to do yet... and although those songs are apparently the singles, they're not her strongest songs... One thing though - if I'd seen this performance tuesday, I'd have been quite surprised at how much some folks earlier in the thread were clobbering her - she was not nearly as weird as I was expecting from the comments :lol:
BTW - I hadn't even heard of any of these acts (apart from Weller and Rodgers, obviously) before this thread and episode...
All in all, though, it just seemed an average Jools to me (average as in average, not "poor"). Nothing really sh1tty, one act did not grab me, everything else was ok. Alas, Jools hisself becomes more and more annoying for me... we're all getting old
Do you know what one of the problems is (or at least this is what I suspect) - Later... when it started, was fresh and informal. Bands turned up and played - it was a superb format that kept this informality but gave the acts the security of knowing their sound was likely to be good, also there seemed to be a feeling of togetherness and non-competition. Nowadays, it's just part of the establishment and one of the things you need to do in this country for certain types of music... you can still spot stuff like Marina watching Villagers with her jaw dropped, but otherwise I suspect there's more "speak to my people not me" stuff going on than there was originally. Sad, but it'll never get back to like it was...
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maybe i was a bit hard on her, that seemed to be her accent. :lol: