Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: HTH AMPS on November 30, 2005, 11:34:42 PM
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Anyone tried a Diezel VH4 amp? I keep hearing about how great they're supposed to be but it looks like there is no UK distributor as yet so I can't even travel to a stop that stocks them.
So, has anyone got one, tried one, heard one at a gig?
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I think TO sometimes uses 1 at his band practises.
From what I remember, he's not much of a fan of it :roll:
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any idea why he isn't a fan of it?
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The UK dealer is Blackmachine. www.blackmachine.co.uk
I think they sound ok, just too many dials for my liking.
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any idea why he isn't a fan of it?
I think he said something about it sounds too 'Modern' for his tastes :)
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Ben does use a Diezel, but only because the Roccaforte's are sounding like roccafarts at the moment. Last night he was using it with 2 different guitars, one was the strat with the Gajic neck and VHII, the other was a PRS Standard with the new BK Rebel Yell pickups (which are awesome!).
For me, the Diezel sound is OK, but not great. Having heard both guitars through my own amps, I know that the guitars sound excellent (the PRS is mine, and I built the Strat up for Ben). I thought the cleaner tones were better than the overdriven ones. But I thought that they lack some openess and the sound was a little dull, though Ben thinks some of this is the Diezel cabs.
Igor was using a Diezel too, but changed to the VHT Pitbull and now gets a much better sound.
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I've played both the Diezel Herbert and VH-4 extensively. What would you like to know about 'em?
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I've played both the Diezel Herbert and VH-4 extensively. What would you like to know about 'em?
Why they called the amp a Herbert :P
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EDIT: Ooops, I was wrong. Herbert isn't Diezel's son.
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hehe, Peter Diezel is a mean mean man
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what do I wantto know about them?, okay.... after starting off playing thrash in the late 80s/early 90s I moved on to bands playing 'rock' for almost all of my 20s. I'm now 30 and have been playing in a metal band but have struggled to find an amp that combines crushing low-end chunk, screaming midrange (not scooped) and an articulate punchy tone (not Recto fizz).
I'm currently using something of my own making which has gotten me ALOT closer but I'm nowhere near being clever enough to wire up all the options for channel switching so I'm looking for that tone ready to go in a box with all the four-channel bells & whistles madness.
So.... does it deliver the goods for full-on metal and is there anything else like it for a lower price? - i.e. is it worth the huge amount of cash they want for it?
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i tried a vh4 in the oxford guitar gallery last summer (they'd got one in for someone who then decided he didn't want it, afaik, they aren't a dealer)
i liked it (i tried it through an engl vintage 30 cab), but i thought its cleans were the onyl thing about it that really sucked, and its high gain channels weren't SUPER saturated, like an engl, for example.
Verdict: IMO, really cool, but substandard cleans on an amp of its price, and more of a hard rock amp than a metal amp... (i was trying it head to head with an engl se and a vht UL)
i'd take an engl over it, i suppose is what i mean- but i still give the vh4 the thumbs up!
haven't tried a herbert :(
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arent these thousands of £££\$$$???
Engl all the way imo!!! Reasonably priced, built like tanks and can melt faces and make small children cry, and they dont have a shed load of channels\fiddily controls to annoy people lilke me :P
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+1 for ENGL. Diezels are extremely overpriced for what they are... which is way too many controls.
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Okay, enough Diezel bashing. An amp is worth what you're willing to pay for it. I've owned Engl, and I can tell you that they are not the same amp. If I had to choose between Diezel and Engl, the Diesel would win, hands down.
If you want to hear a really good VH-4 tone, check out late Dokken, during Lynch's brief return. (The Live in '95 DVD for example) Since my guitar is the same as his, and my gain structure is similar, I can tell you that getting that tone is well within reach with this amp.
The VH-4 is incredibly versatile and has really good resolution and projection, tons of gain, and the most complex footswitch outside of a Bradshaw rig.
Build quality is ultra-high, too.
If you like a modern recto'd tone, but with a bit more mids and versatility, then this is a great amp for you.
For my style, I prefer the Roccaforte hi gain heads. The VH-4 is definitely worth tracking down, tho.
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^i wasn't bashing the diezel- i said i'd prefer an engl, but i still gave the VH4 the thumbs up- just the style of th engls suit me more
and that guff about the diezel having too many knobs, and more than engls? the engl se i tried had twice as many...
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what do I wantto know about them?, okay.... after starting off playing thrash in the late 80s/early 90s I moved on to bands playing 'rock' for almost all of my 20s. I'm now 30 and have been playing in a metal band but have struggled to find an amp that combines crushing low-end chunk, screaming midrange (not scooped) and an articulate punchy tone (not Recto fizz).
I'm currently using something of my own making which has gotten me ALOT closer but I'm nowhere near being clever enough to wire up all the options for channel switching so I'm looking for that tone ready to go in a box with all the four-channel bells & whistles madness.
So.... does it deliver the goods for full-on metal and is there anything else like it for a lower price? - i.e. is it worth the huge amount of cash they want for it?
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For the sounds your after try a Koch Powertone II. I would say that cos I've got one but they sound incredible and are a lot cheaper that Deizels.
www.koch-amps.com
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ok, I tried out a Diezel VH4 on Friday via blackmachine.co.uk (his guitars are awesome btw), impressions... the Diezel is just head & shoulders above anything else I've tried.
The clean channel does that spankin Fender Twin thing, the 2nd channel gives you may shades of lower-gain dirt, the 3rd does all of the JCM800 to 900 type gain tones and beyond then the 4th is just voiced slightly different.
What I like most is that it manages to have SERIOUS lowend chunk and alot of gain while sounding very Marshally - most higher gain amps always sound Boogie-esque to me.
Apparently the Diezel Herbert is more 'metal' - I'll certainly try it out before making an actual purchase, but the tone I have in my head in pretty much that plexi midrange roar with loads more gain and a very tight low end that you can feel in your chest with low-string chugging. This is what the VH4 achieves.
As for having too many knobs, I can't say that having seperate EQ and gain for each channel is much to deal with AND the panel is laid out very clearly and intuitively.
For comparison sake, I tried a VHT Pitbull Ultralead on Friday too and have already tried an Engl Powerball (which I remember to be very nice and will revisit that one). I also tried a Boogie Triple Recto at BlackMachine's place and it was nice, but the Diezel was better.
Oh, one final mention - the Tele-style guitar at BlackMachine had a BKP Miracle Man in the bridge and a Stormy Monday in the neck. All I can say is that they are seriously tasty pickups. I tried a PRS into the Diezel but the BlackMachine with BKPs was just killer. I now have some BKPs on my 'to buy' list as well as the Diezel.
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^i thought the cleans on the vh4 were very average... compared to both a vht UL and engl se
just remember that for the price of a vh4, you can get a better engl than a powerball- for those marshall-y tones, a savage might be more what you're after than a powerball (i haven't tried a savage though, but i have a savage se on order)
but i admit, the vh4 (bar the clean channel, which wasn't even terrible, like a 5150/6505) was pretty darn nice!
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I will be trying out a few more amps before parting with any cash, but the VH4 just had the tone I'm looking for right away.
For £900 (ish) the Powerball represents excelent value and I will give that amp another bash before any decision is made.
I'll also be upgrading my own homebrew high-gain valve amp with an OEI OT to see if that will get me more of that metal riffage tone (heh heh).
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I will be trying out a few more amps before parting with any cash, but the VH4 just had the tone I'm looking for right away.
For £900 (ish) the Powerball represents excelent value and I will give that amp another bash before any decision is made.
I'll also be upgrading my own homebrew high-gain valve amp with an OEI OT to see if that will get me more of that metal riffage tone (heh heh).
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Try a Koch Powertone II as well if you can. The head is only about £1200!
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The head is only about £1200!
pocketchange.... :P ONLY!?
I've tried one though - they're worth it 8)
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The head is only about £1200!
pocketchange.... :P ONLY!?
I've tried one though - they're worth it 8)
Too right they are, that's a good price for sound quality like that. Deizels are twice that money and more!
Where did you try the Koch?
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yeah, who stocks Kock amps? - I went in all the shops on Denmark St. and also Chandlers (Kew).
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My mate has a powertone II - i'll ask him where he got it when i see him, although i think his family's from the continent, so he probably got it from somewhere out in europe!
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yeah, who stocks Kock amps? - I went in all the shops on Denmark St. and also Chandlers (Kew).
when i was in london in the summer, i tried a koch multitone in holiday music in leyton/leytonstone, east london. They didn't have a powertone when i was there, but the bonus was i was very impressed with the multitone (i proably wouldn't have tried a multitone if they'd had a powertone)!
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yeah, who stocks Kock amps? - I went in all the shops on Denmark St. and also Chandlers (Kew).
when i was in london in the summer, i tried a koch multitone in holiday music in leyton/leytonstone, east london. They didn't have a powertone when i was there, but the bonus was i was very impressed with the multitone (i proably wouldn't have tried a multitone if they'd had a powertone)!
Holiday music is where i got mine. Machinehead in Hitchin, Herts' are Koch dealers too and as far as i know they are the only two in the country so far.
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^yeah, they're the only two i know of off-hand...
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Raising an old post up from the dead here but i was so impressed i just had to.
Extensivly tried out the Diezel Herbert today, will be buying it on Wednesday.
All i can say is that this is the amp i've been looking for all along, the clean channel is perfect, sparkly and clear and no break up atall.
The second channel has a sort of JCM800 tone going on untill you flip the extra gain switch and then it becomes a perfect channel for boosted solos.
The 3rd channel is a tight as hell rythm channel, huge amounts of crunch even with the gain dial on 4.
The bass from this amp is monsterous, i had it running through an orange cab and the walls of Mansons were litterally pulsing along with it, and i didn't even have it past 3 on the master.
Pickups wise i was using a Ceramic Warpig in the bridge of a Gibson Flying V and an Alnico Warpig voiced like a Coldsweat coil tapped in the neck.
What i also love about this is that the only pedals i will need are a tuner and a wah in my line.
This looks like it will be my rig for a long time :-)
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Diezel Herbert - My dream amp, along with an ENGL SE.
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Raising an old post up from the dead here but i was so impressed i just had to.
Extensivly tried out the Diezel Herbert today, will be buying it on Wednesday.
Excellent! Enjoy! Are you getting it with the footswitch? All those mini toggles on the Herbert can be a pain to deal with.
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I ahve played an Einstein at Guitar center once. It was a very nice amp and had alot of different tones available to it but it totaly wasnt worth the 3000 dollar asking price.
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Raising an old post up from the dead here but i was so impressed i just had to.
Extensivly tried out the Diezel Herbert today, will be buying it on Wednesday.
Excellent! Enjoy! Are you getting it with the footswitch? All those mini toggles on the Herbert can be a pain to deal with.
I will be getting a midi switch for it although the foot swithes are a pain to find over here.
Can't wait to get it home and really crank it :-)
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want to find a dealer for these amps? look here
www.mansons.co.uk
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Hehe thats where i'm buying it from :-)
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Just one question?!?!
i never played an ENGL ampbefore
but,from the countless sundclips of almost all their models.. i think they sound Like BKP
but,i also think that they have some kinda of strange sound to it,like a granulated tone.
i´m taking the example from all the clips i got from WWW.rocksolidamps.com
i preffered the Blackmore model. thast the best sounding ENGL from the soundclisp i got there
Also, i really Liked these amps soundclips : Framus Cobra,Krank amps, Bogner Überschall, that Vh you mentioned, and the diezel you also mentioned. the more metal ones.
but, i would have to test them all first,before i could choose any one of them.
but i´m actually happy and satisfied with the 5150 for the moment.
Hails
JP
i´ll soon record some clips.
i didnt do it yet because my guitars needs some set up and replace some parts. like : charvel needs a new floyd rose, i need to sell my ibanez rg 570, and i´m waiting my ESPmII delxue toarrive
Q:p
Hails
JP