Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: carlaz on December 02, 2005, 05:19:24 PM
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OK, apologies for a long post, but the time is nigh for my 1990 Gibson LP Standard to get the BKPs it deserves :) and I need some advice in arriving at a real decision about what to go for! (I think come New Years, I'll have my funds saved up!)
I play (or try to play!) a variety of things, ranging from classic rock over into doom metal territory. I freely confess to terrible technique and way-slow fingers -- no shredding here! Power-chord slash'n'burn with wah-abuse leads are more like me. I tend to tune down to D, sometimes further down to C, sometimes back up to E. I've played out in several bands over the years (though most recently on bass), but I'm really just a heinous amateur and expect primarily to be amusing myself with hard-drive home-recording (with amp modelling for the plausibly forseeable future, though I've not really settled on what to do about that).
I want to generally improve my guitar's tone more than I want to aim for a particular player's or band's sound. The stock Gibson pickups (498T bridge, Alnico V, ~14.00-14.50K; 490R neck, Alnico II, ~7.50-8.00K) aren't really bad but are a bit ho-hum and, I think, lose definition quickly whenever the gain goes up and the tuning goes down. I started to get frustrated about 10 years ago while picking the little figure in "War Pigs" that goes like ...
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With much gain of any kind there, I felt like my string definition started heading out the window to land in Mushville. I fiddled about with amp settings and string gauges, eventually figuring better pickups wouldn't hurt. I thought briefly of EMGs (Zakk Attack! but active pups sound too "artifical" to me), longer about Duncans like the JB or Custom, and then about Gibson's Iommi model (reviews said it had good string definition when rockin' and also cleaned up well), but I never felt totally convinced, so the stock pickups stayed. Then a friend came raving to me about BKPs earlier this year, and I got a hunch the pickups I had been waiting for were close!
I've tried hard in recent months or so to think about guitar tones that I like (as opposed to just playing styles or songs I like!); my inspirations are very '70s, but I'm not interested in scoring some tone from 30 years ago :). I find I really like the guitar sounds on Bruce Dickinson's last two solo albums (which actually make me think of Santana or Peter Green tones on really stupendous steroids) and on Iommi's recent Fused album (I'm a sucker for down-tuned doom riffing, and IMO the man sounds better than ever). I also find myself going back to the guitars from Kyuss and Monster Magnet and Clutch and -- on the lighter side -- guys like Santana and Trey Anastasio and Warren Haynes, though they're rather more articulate and restrained than I would ever be ;). I suppose the bass sound is often a major prop to guitar sounds on record, but I think in general I'm listening for big, fat rock guitar tones, effin' heavy rock and souped-up classic metal guitars, but not like modern extreme-metal grind.
In my ideal dream world 8) when the amps are smokin', the leads peel out smooth and creamy but with generous burn and harmonics that fly out on command; the power chords feel like being hit by a semi-molten moon of Jupiter. Yet when the gain comes off, the cleans are all organic and sunshine-moonlight pretty. OK, a lot depends on what the amp is doing -- and alas! probably more on what my sloppy fingers are doing -- but I'm thinking about the pickups here!
Because the LP is basically my only guitar (haven't even got an acoustic), versatility is very good, and I've been thinking that I should spring for having push-pull pots installed with the new pickups so I can do that coil-tapping/splitting thing. Though I generally like humbucker tones better than single coil tones, the occasional holiday from stoner-metal riff-fest madness, to be able to tap that coil and slap on the auto-wah to noodle along with my Jerry Garcia records (or my wife's Latin pop CDs) would be fun :). I guess hotter humbuckers tap/split better, but I'm no techie and don't really know what's what about that.
As a fan of Santana-style neck tones (vintage creamy-sweet + habaņero heat!), an Abraxas in the neck seems to me like a good choice. I have a harder time settling on a bridge pup, but I think my best options narrow down to a) another Abraxas, b) a Nailbomb, or c) the almighty Warpig! I guess the Abraxases are most similar in terms of output to what I have, the Nailbomb probably a bit hotter, and the 'Pig .... OK, though my Warpig-lust has been primed Tim's various juicy descriptions:"Playing Warpigs is..........effortless. Serious silly grin time .... plenty of balls, great cleans and effortless to play ... a versatile beast ... a fantastic tone too ... splits down really well ... For rock and metal it's a serious silly grin humbucker as it almost plays itself.
I have nevertheless been spirtually preparing myself to accept that the 'Pig could be a touch too much given the amount of ground I hope to cover with one guitar.
But anyway, I could have it all wrong! So which pickups do ye assembled tone hounds and BKP family think might suit me and my LP best?
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1 vote each for Black Dog's & Emerald's...
As you know, into very similar kind of stuff (check out the Myspace site for more doom-y outpourings), which are mainly my Black Dog loaded Tokai Love Rock and my 70's Iceman, which had Emerald's in, both through a PODxt. The Emerald's are now in another Tokai Love Rock, and sound fantastic coupled that guitars drop tuning (Drop C#/Db).
The Black Dog loaded Love Rock is a bit heavier in weight, and the tone possibly benefits from this, as it cuts through both bass & drums and still has plenty of "body". The Emerald lodaed Tokai is a good couple of lb's lighter than the other, and it really suits these pickups, especially with the drop tuning. Another good one to think about is the Crawler, hot bridge and a more "classic" style neck. They sound sweet too.
BKP's are THE best pickup I've heard/experienced for string definition.
Both pickups require a bit more amp drive and a little extra kick from a pedal to get the tones you're after, but not too much!!! The best thing to get the "sound" is a low-medium type gain (between around 3-4) on your preamp, around 4-5 on your pedal's gain, and then crank the volume to get your power valves G L O W I N G! That's where your Iommi style drive comes from, and you won't get too much mushiness playing that bit on Warpigs.
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Another set to consider is the new Rebel Yell's. They have a great mid-range push but clean up very sweetly. The drive on them gives you all the harmonics you could want. VHII's are also a great all round pickup for the heavier side of rock. Another choice, for the sounds you are looking for, would be the Emerald bridge and A4 Mule neck. It is a great rock combination.
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:lol: Trust the BKP forum to suggest things I hadn't thought of! :)
I have to admit, I hadn't given the Emeralds much thought, maybe because the reported stats suggest lower output than what I already have, though that's probably simplistic more-more-more thinking on my part. Going back to the current description of the Emeralds on the BKP site -- "powerful, warm bottom end, rich harmonics and sustain" -- I gotta say that looks pretty good on paper (or screen) for sure. I'll have to go check out the clips in the Players section (and Skybone's stuff on Myspace!).
I'm also intrigued by the Rebel Yell (having now read the reports from Ben and Phil), which seems to sit in a similar space to the Abraxas and Crawlers (I had been thinking hard about a Crawler neck before the Abraxas came along to tempt me). Phil, how would you compare (if you're allowed to :))your RY proto-type to the likes of the Abraxas? Sounds like a meaty rock pickup that could heavy up nicely (my vibe is more mondo-heavy classic than outright metal) and my LP has the maple cap, which might make that midrange stand out a bit more in comparision to the all mahogany PRS body .... The RY might be closer to finished by the beginning of January as well. Wonder how a RY bridge would match up with an Abraxas neck .... (Do I remember Tim or someone saying there were similarities between the Abraxas neck on the Emerald?)
Hmm, off to the players section now. Keep them advices comin'! :)
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The biggest difference I think is the clean tone and the mid range push. The RY's really clean up beautifully, where the Abraxas still keeps pushing a bit, even when you back off the volume. I think a set of RY's in a Les Paul would sound great, I am actually thinking of changing my Nailbomb in a HSS set with Trilogies for one!!
I really need to get all the guitars and amps togther and just wail a while, but it is hard to always hear subjectively when you are the one playing. At the moment I am thinking of moving the Abraxas set into my semi-hollow LP, and putting the Black Dogs in the 53, but that might change as I listen to everything again.
I have had the Emeralds in 2 Les Pauls, and really liked the sound in both. I might hear the Cold Sweat too, if i can find a set of machine heads for Ben's snakeskin Wayne!
The real problem is that Tim has too good an ear for sounds, and I like all the sounds he comes up with!
I will pull out the 4 guitars that I need to really give you a good answer, PRS with Crawler, PRS with RY, LP with Abraxas and LP with Emerald/Mule. I should also add the Explorer with Warpig and MQ and the Warmoth with Miracle Men to give an extra comparison, and finally I should try to record the sounds so you can make a decision. All that is a lot of work but it is something I want to do anyway, so I will try to do it.
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The biggest difference I think is the clean tone and the mid range push. The RY's really clean up beautifully, where the Abraxas still keeps pushing a bit, even when you back off the volume. I think a set of RY's in a Les Paul would sound great, I am actually thinking of changing my Nailbomb in a HSS set with Trilogies for one!!
Heh, I am starting to get a warm feeling for the RY, and I don't think I've ever heard Steve Stevens's playing (OK, I've seen the "White Wedding" video pass by on the boob tube, but I'm not well up on the early 80s!).
I had been looking for a solid heavy rock pickup not lacking for some chug and punch to go with an hot-but-smooth Abraxas neck -- and I might still be -- but y'all have given me a bit more think about over the coming weeks. Maybe the RY bridge would play nicely with an Abraxas neck (maybe the Abraxas neck pushes less than the Abraxas bridge?), or maybe the RY neck (in a calibrated set) would itself do good smokin'-yet-sexy woman tones?
I've been trying to check out some Emeralds, but there don't seem to be many clips at all in the Players section ....
The real problem is that Tim has too good an ear for sounds, and I like all the sounds he comes up with!
Like I say, I'd have an easier time if I just had more guitars! :) Sometimes I think I ought to just keep saving for more BKPs, and buy guitars for them later :).
No, like, seriously, I have been thinking that ....
I will pull out the 4 guitars that I need to really give you a good answer, PRS with Crawler, PRS with RY, LP with Abraxas and LP with Emerald/Mule. I should also add the Explorer with Warpig and MQ and the Warmoth with Miracle Men to give an extra comparison, and finally I should try to record the sounds so you can make a decision. All that is a lot of work but it is something I want to do anyway, so I will try to do it.
That kind of comparison would be awesome -- and I don't think I'm the only one it would help! Something of such consistency and breadth oughta be a "sticky" in the Players section. :)
Hmm, yeah, it would be interesting to know what you find in comparisons with the Crawler, too, since it was an early contender for my neck pup choice (based on Ratrod's recommendations). And, as I've been seeing, the world is short on Emerald clips!
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There was alot of info to soak in in this thread. I think the Crawler wouldn't be a bad choise for you. I've been able to play wide range of music with these pups. Creedence, classic rock, most styles of blues, southern rock, classic metal, modern metal, you name it. Give it some mid scoop high gain overdrive, dig in hard and they'll venture into Warpig territory.
I haven't really down tuned them that far, only drop D. But I'm shure it'll chug like hell when down tuned ultra low. I haven't tried them with a wah yet, but I feel I should because I imagine it will sound killer.
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I think the Crawler wouldn't be a bad choise for you .... Give it some mid scoop high gain overdrive, dig in hard and they'll venture into Warpig territory. I haven't really down tuned them that far, only drop D. But I'm shure it'll chug like hell when down tuned ultra low. I haven't tried them with a wah yet, but I feel I should because I imagine it will sound killer.
<psychic powers>Downtune, wah up, and post the clip!</psychic powers>
I've been spinning all the BKP clips I collected from the Players section, letting them come up at random and trying to catch the pickup vibe. I always cackle with glee when your "Suicide Warpig" track comes up -- it's way too much fun! :twisted: Gotta go make sure I've got all your existing Crawler clips ....
I do find myself increasingly wondering about the differences/similarities between the Crawler, Abraxas, and Rebel Yell; the DC readings (though I know they're only a rough guide) seem to suggest they're not a million miles apart in terms of output: hotter than PAF but not MM/Pig hot. Of course, two of those pups aren't even listed with the regular products yet!
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Thanks for the compliments. Too bad I don't have wah. My mate has one but that's busted.
There's a clip of my Crawlers in drop-D. I'll try death tuning it soon. There's also a clip in BADGBE.
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OK, i've just tuned the Crawler equipped Yamaha to drop-C. This reveiled a side of the guitar and it's pickups I never knew existed. IN- F***ING-CREDIBLE! The sound almost scared the Warpig. :lol:
The sound is like a Warpig with the bass and lower midrange reversed. It's like the difference between Rammstein's 'Reise, Reise' and 'Rosenrot'.
Very in-you-face sound with incredible string deffinition and very upfront in the mix.
Anyone who has a Crawler should try this. Tune it down and scoop some of the mids and start chugging. :twisted:
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i think the Mules may be a good idea, they seem to be classicy 'dig in and make the scream' style pickups..
Personally, i'm over the moon with my Nailbomb in the bridge of my Legra strat... i'm pretty much into everything from Sabbath to Death Metal and have found the Nailbomb covers that ground... i run it into my Fireball amp (or my GuitarPort)... theres ALOT of variation available.
I'll try and record some clips for you if you like? :)
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i think the Mules may be a good idea, they seem to be classicy 'dig in and make the scream' style pickups.
I worry only that the Mules would do what I'm looking for better in the hands of a better player than me! I'm not sure that I'm not better served by something a bit hotter than the very properly vintage Mules. (Yeah, they might reveal I what I need to practice, but I might never get much chance to do that practice in real life :P).
Personally, i'm over the moon with my Nailbomb in the bridge of my Legra strat... i'm pretty much into everything from Sabbath to Death Metal and have found the Nailbomb covers that ground... i run it into my Fireball amp (or my GuitarPort)... theres ALOT of variation available. I'll try and record some clips for you if you like? :)
More clips are always cool :) I'm guessing your strat will be a bit brighter than my LP?
The biggest difference [between the RY and Abraxas] I think is the clean tone and the mid range push.
I remember the RY is supposed to be very midrangy -- as is the JB, and I recall your comment that the RY is "everything the JB wants to be, but can't be" (or something like that). I once considered the JBs, long ago, but then started leaning towards the bassier Custom Five before backing away from SDs all together.
Man, I wish I had a rough guide to relative EQ voicings on the various BKPs!
How might the low end and mid-ranges of the RY, Abraxas, and Emeralds ... and Crawler's be compared, generally speaking? Phil, you may be the only person outside BKP itself with all of these on hand! :)
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Stormy Mondays really nail the Peter Green tone, though they probably aren't loud enough for what you want. I have a set in my LP Standard (replacing the same cr@ppy Gibson ceramics as you) and it sounds...very nice would be the best non-pornographic way of describing it...
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I worry only that the Mules would do what I'm looking for better in the hands of a better player than me! I'm not sure that I'm not better served by something a bit hotter than the very properly vintage Mules. (Yeah, they might reveal I what I need to practice, but I might never get much chance to do that practice in real life :P).
Haha yeah when I installed mine I wondered why my playing seemed a bit sloppier, bum notes were covered by mud :lol: It does help you improve though, I think my playings tightened up since I got the Mules. They do metal fine aswell!
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My gut feeling, though, tells me to go with something a bit hotter than Mules -- though not necessarily a lot. Skybone's comments from earlier in the thread remind me not to get too wrapped up in pure pickup issues: a lot of any vibe or tone is going procede from the amp and, ultimately, my poor stumbling fingers ;)
With the Abraxas sometimes described as"Mule+", I still find myself musing over an Abraxas set; I wonder how they'd work with bludgeoning Iommi riffs? :twisted: Descriptions of the new Rebel Yell prototype seemed cool, but my sense is that it's more midrangey than what suits me. And the Warpig probably is too much for what I really want, but the NB might handle my both my rock and metal sides with more low-end grunt than the RY. Maybe a NB bridge, Abraxas neck?
Hmm. I'll have to carry on harassing Phil and Ben for their pickup commentaries :oops: and/or drop Tim a private message. The missus is off to visit her mum and sister for a couple of weeks; I'm staying behind ostensibly to save money but ahem also so I can spend some quality time with me guitar and then do this pickup thing before she can get back and stop me ;)
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All right, I finally emailed Tim and he recommended me the Crawlers :) Funny, 'cause I'm sure someone (maybe Ratrod) recommended them to me soon after I joined the forum, and after months of wavering all the way between Mules and Warpigs, here I am back again.
And I'm sure I remember Ratrod talking about the Santana-ish tones he got from the Crawler neck -- turns out the Abraxas and Crawler use the same neck, DC7.6K Alnico IV (Tims says). So I can aim for those smooth singing leads on the neck, and dig some hefty chunk out of the Crawler bridge. Cool.
Now I just need to choose covers. I kinda dig the psychedelic-looking burnt chrome 8) though maybe it might look a little funny on my black LP. Perhaps just good ol' regular chrome (like what I got, which is a bit boring, but at least I know it looks OK) ....
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What abouut nickel-or aged nickel?
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I just made a pickup change to my Les Pauls. I got a Black Dog set and put it on my 53, replacing the Abraxas set there. I put the Abraxas set onto my chambered LP, replacing the Riff Raff and Stormy Monday set.
On the Black Dog, if you are a Jimmy Page fan, they are the pickups. Not as compressed as the Abraxas, more bottom end than the Riff Raff and the neck has that singing sustain that page is noted for. I had opted for the set that Jimmy Page used to have on his LP, raw nickel cover on the neck and (reverse) zebra bridge.
They don't push as much as the RY's (still my favourites), but are more open than the Abraxas. Interstingly the Abraxas work better on the chambered LP. The sound is not as driven as on the 53. I think it is to do with the weight. The 53 is the lightest LP I ever played. The chambered comes in around the same weight as an average LP (before it was chambered it was a beast!). I will play them this week to get a better feel for the differences.
The wife has many errands for me today (I snuck the pickup change in yesterday!). I still have to put the Riff Raff/Stormy Monday on the 335 - I need to start that with a clear head so I will leave it till nect week. I'm trying to get Ben to come around too, but he is busy writing and auditioning. I hope by the end of the month I can get him here and set something up for recording.
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Is there an official release date for the Rebel Yell?
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Not yet I'm afraid, still waiting to tie up artwork and box design with Steve.
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i need to get a LP in time for the release of the Rebel Yell!!! I'm actually really genuinely excited about the release of a guitar pickup... loser
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I just made a pickup change to my Les Pauls. I got a Black Dog set and put it on my 53, replacing the Abraxas set there. I put the Abraxas set onto my chambered LP, replacing the Riff Raff and Stormy Monday set.
On the Black Dog, if you are a Jimmy Page fan, they are the pickups. Not as compressed as the Abraxas, more bottom end than the Riff Raff and the neck has that singing sustain that page is noted for. I had opted for the set that Jimmy Page used to have on his LP, raw nickel cover on the neck and (reverse) zebra bridge.
They don't push as much as the RY's (still my favourites), but are more open than the Abraxas. Interstingly the Abraxas work better on the chambered LP. The sound is not as driven as on the 53. I think it is to do with the weight. The 53 is the lightest LP I ever played. The chambered comes in around the same weight as an average LP (before it was chambered it was a beast!). I will play them this week to get a better feel for the differences.
The wife has many errands for me today (I snuck the pickup change in yesterday!). I still have to put the Riff Raff/Stormy Monday on the 335 - I need to start that with a clear head so I will leave it till nect week. I'm trying to get Ben to come around too, but he is busy writing and auditioning. I hope by the end of the month I can get him here and set something up for recording.
Phil, how would you say the Black Dogs differ from the Mules or VHII's, in an LP if you have tried em both in one? Cheers
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I got a Black Dog set and put it on my 53... The 53 is the lightest LP I ever played.
I have them in my Tokai Love Rock, which is quite a hefty slab of tone woods, whereas the other Tokai with the Emeralds is pretty light. The Black Dog loaded Tokai sounds rich and dark, with a tone that is very broad spectrum middy. The Emeralds are incredibly punchy and really suit the lighter guitar.
Maybe with what Phil's experienced, I should swap them around...
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Phil, how would you say the Black Dogs differ from the Mules or VHII's, in an LP if you have tried em both in one? Cheers
Hi Tom, I haven't used the VHII in a Les Paul, mine are in a PRS so it is a bit different. I only have a mule neck too, in that the Black Dog has more gain but is not overly powerful. If you think of 'Since I've been loving you', then you will have an idea of the sound (I was going into a valve amp high gain channel with no effects, and getting this tone).
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Gah you got me wanting another Les Paul now to stick some BD's in :lol: I love that Since I've Been Loving you tone!
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Not yet I'm afraid, still waiting to tie up artwork and box design with Steve.
does this mean all the BK's will come with unique artwork on the boxes then?
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Not all of them, but the Steve Stevens one is quite special!
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Not all of them, but the Steve Stevens one is quite special!
cool, cool! :) I look forward to seeing it one day! :wink:
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late reply, sorry. If your into riff driven music (no matter how heavy) I w ould suggest Black dogs. I play every thing from "master" metallica to thin lizzy with mine. IMHO the midrange is where its all at, and BD's are the only pick up for mid definition.
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What abouut nickel-or aged nickel?
Yeah, the nickel and raw nickel are standard options for the Crawlers, and both look nice and classy. Probably go for one of them, as I kind of feel I'd like to have at least a slightly different look than the old stock chrome-covered pups ... just to mark the change!
Aged nickel looks cool, though if it costs a bit more, well, the Crawlers already cost a bit more, and the other nickels look as good to me. I have to save a few quid for a BKP T-shirt to go with the pups, after all! 8)
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The raw nickel looks nearly as good as the aged, if you don't need the wear marks. I have it on several pickups now and like the look a lot. The Black Dog's I just put in have it on the neck cover. Don't get me wrong, the 'aged' look like they have been in action for years, but if you just want a less shiny look, then the raw are the way to go.
My mate just got a pair for his 63 SG, where a set of new covers would really look wrong!
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Heh, I am starting to get a warm feeling for the RY, and I don't think I've ever heard Steve Stevens's playing (OK, I've seen the "White Wedding" video pass by on the boob tube, but I'm not well up on the early 80s!).
I had been looking for a solid heavy rock pickup not lacking for some chug and punch to go with an hot-but-smooth Abraxas neck -- and I might still be -- but y'all have given me a bit more think about over the coming weeks. Maybe the RY bridge would play nicely with an Abraxas neck (maybe the Abraxas neck pushes less than the Abraxas bridge?), or maybe the RY neck (in a calibrated set) would itself do good smokin'-yet-sexy woman tones?
I've been trying to check out some Emeralds, but there don't seem to be many clips at all in the Players section ....
Take a listen to Derek Sherrinains album, Mythology, there are many guest guitarists on there, but Steve Stevens plays a wicked guitar on one of them.
Phil
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All right, I finally emailed Tim and he recommended me the Crawlers :) Funny, 'cause I'm sure someone (maybe Ratrod) recommended them to me soon after I joined the forum, and after months of wavering all the way between Mules and Warpigs, here I am back again.
And I'm sure I remember Ratrod talking about the Santana-ish tones he got from the Crawler neck -- turns out the Abraxas and Crawler use the same neck, DC7.6K Alnico IV (Tims says). So I can aim for those smooth singing leads on the neck, and dig some hefty chunk out of the Crawler bridge. Cool.
Now I just need to choose covers. I kinda dig the psychedelic-looking burnt chrome 8) though maybe it might look a little funny on my black LP. Perhaps just good ol' regular chrome (like what I got, which is a bit boring, but at least I know it looks OK) ....
You are correct.
(And so is Tim)
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The raw nickel looks nearly as good as the aged, if you don't need the wear marks. I have it on several pickups now and like the look a lot. [...] Don't get me wrong, the 'aged' look like they have been in action for years, but if you just want a less shiny look, then the raw are the way to go.
Yeah, my poor ol' LP looks like its been in action for a while -- but not quite for centuries yet. ;)
Still, the rest of the guitar isn't too shiny any more, so perhaps raw nickel pup covers will suit. :)
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Just placed my order for raw nickel Crawlers (and a BKP shirt :))!
If the pups arrive by the weekend, I'll take 'em down to Machinehead in Hitchin on Saturday to be fit over the next week. A brave new world of better tone awaits! :D
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I would go for the Holy Divers. These are real smooth and cleans up REAL good. Killer for metal, no mud, just fat, and with harmionics that's awesome.
I found myself using the gain-ch on my SLO more or less all the time on our last gig. The HD cleans up that well.
The SLO's crunch-ch did not see that much action and use as on prev. gigs.
Btw, the MM's are also great. A bit more output, but it lacks some of the "vintage-feel" of the Holy Divers.
Good luck!
T.
www.trendkillerweb.com
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Just placed my order for raw nickel Crawlers (and a BKP shirt :))!
Yay, pickups arrived! :D I'll take 'em down to be fitted on Saturday, should be able to pick them up the following Saturday. It's gonna rock :guitar4:
Alas, BKP only had Mule shirts in stock rather than the one I actually ordered, but eh, what can ya do? Gotta wear the colours 8)