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Title: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Denim n Leather on May 13, 2010, 04:39:17 PM
Heavenly -- Fantastic power metal band out of France. There are bits of so many bands in their music: Helloween, Gamma Ray, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Alcatrazz, Jake E Lee Ozzy ... and none of the cheese you get from bands like Silent Force, Primal Fear, Edguy ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_bJWVmbiAQ

and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ZJP1QyeBo&feature=related
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Philly Q on May 16, 2010, 10:50:38 AM
I really liked the first track, but it wasn't at all what I expected - seemed almost like a throwback to White Sister or something with the big chorus and that keyboard sound!  :D

The second track is a lot more "power metal", still really good but less my kind of thing.
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: gordiji on May 16, 2010, 08:42:30 PM
reminds me of europe, nothing new here but clearly a premier class act with 2 unfeasably talented guitarists.
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: chrisola on May 17, 2010, 06:49:08 PM
Check out this one "Ode to Joy" from their latest album "Carpe Diem" -- 110% pure power metal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG9sqjUWvZc


Their latest album is their strongest i think -- you don't get more power metal than this, also some killer solo work  :D
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Philly Q on May 17, 2010, 09:16:14 PM
Check out this one "Ode to Joy" from their latest album "Carpe Diem" -- 110% pure power metal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG9sqjUWvZc


That's put me right off!  :lol:

There are lots of good bits, but it has the element of power metal I really can't stand - that super-fast drumming!

Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Denim n Leather on May 17, 2010, 09:43:13 PM
Check out this one "Ode to Joy" from their latest album "Carpe Diem" -- 110% pure power metal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG9sqjUWvZc



That's put me right off!  :lol:

There are lots of good bits, but it has the element of power metal I really can't stand - that super-fast drumming!


I agree. I thought it was WEAK, and also recycled a bunch of riffs from Virus. I checked out a couple of other songs and was less than impressed at those as well.

All said, Virus is still a great album!!
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: chrisola on May 17, 2010, 11:38:26 PM
Fair points -- i guess their latest may be overkill for power metal!  Virus --  must give it another full listen through :)

The drumming is fast, but at least it's not blast beat fast like in DragonForce or Cellador.





Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Denim n Leather on May 18, 2010, 12:15:22 AM
Fair points -- i guess their latest may be overkill for power metal!  Virus --  must give it another full listen through :)

The drumming is fast, but at least it's not blast beat fast like in DragonForce or Cellador.

DON'T YOU BE TALKIN BAD ABOUT MY CELLADOR!!!! =p
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: nfe on May 18, 2010, 12:19:57 AM
Fair points -- i guess their latest may be overkill for power metal!  Virus --  must give it another full listen through :)

The drumming is fast, but at least it's not blast beat fast like in DragonForce or Cellador.

Are there blasts in Dragonforce songs? I though all he did was rolling kicks with snare on 2 and 4 ad nauseum.

Though I've never listened to them for more than two or three tunes at a time, under duress.  :lol:
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Philly Q on May 18, 2010, 01:08:19 AM
Are there blasts in Dragonforce songs? I though all he did was rolling kicks with snare on 2 and 4 ad nauseum.

I don't know the definition of a blastbeat, but the drumming on Dragonforce sounds like someone machine-gunning ball bearings into a dustbin.  :|
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: nfe on May 18, 2010, 01:18:16 AM
Aye, it's triggered to all hell so he barely has to hit it. He's sloppy as hell live, so it'd probably be a real struggle if he had to bash it with any power.

Strictly speaking blasts are unison or etxremely fast alternating kick and snare grooves. So at 180 odd bpm you'd be playing a snare on every semiquaver. I'd think it'd sound quite bizarre in stuff like Dragonforce. It's usually a black/death metal and grindcore thing, though it comes from crust punk, to start with really.

[/cr@p boring chat]
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Denim n Leather on May 18, 2010, 02:39:48 AM
Dragonfarce does not use blast beats. Cellador does (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X7hr-Ky8tg), though it's in measured doses.

Cellador are/were an INCREDIBLE musical outfit. I saw them live once; sounded the same as their album.

Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Dr. Stein on May 18, 2010, 02:52:19 AM
Dragonfarce does not use blast beats. Cellador does (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X7hr-Ky8tg), though it's in measured doses.

Cellador are/were an INCREDIBLE musical outfit. I saw them live once; sounded the same as their album.



 :o

I think you've just ruined any hope I had of passing my exams...
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: nfe on May 18, 2010, 02:56:29 AM
Never heard that band before. Make me think a lot of Stratovarius. I'm a long way from a power metal fan but I find that a lot more tolerable than most. Just daft fun, I guess. Though I worry they take it quite seriously  :lol:

There aren't any blastbeats in that though, 0.56 in this video is what constitutes a blastbeat,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESbqky0i8-8

The snare's what makes it, really. It should sound like a skipping techno cd!  :lol:
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: chrisola on May 18, 2010, 07:11:02 PM
I can't believe it's 4 years since the Cellador album, forgot how good it is!

This should qualify as a blast beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOI7AO0PT-Y

1st one about 20 seconds in...a good song but not their best.



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I don't know the definition of a blastbeat, but the drumming on Dragonforce sounds like someone machine-gunning ball bearings into a dustbin

Brilliant!!! He uses a weird see through drum kit with thin drums, sounds kind of cr@ppy (well, he did last time i saw Dragonforce). The drummer does get points for playing in Bal Sagoth though, who are a decent epic fantasy black \ death metal type band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXPIezT_LpA

Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Nadz1lla on May 18, 2010, 09:23:31 PM
I've never listened to them for more than two or three tunes at a time, under duress.  :lol:

Two or three songs? You've basically heard all they have to offer then. All the other material is a remix of what you have already heard.  :lol:
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: CaptainDesslock on May 19, 2010, 05:27:09 PM
Check out this one "Ode to Joy" from their latest album "Carpe Diem" -- 110% pure power metal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG9sqjUWvZc



That's put me right off!  :lol:

There are lots of good bits, but it has the element of power metal I really can't stand - that super-fast drumming!


I agree. I thought it was WEAK, and also recycled a bunch of riffs from Virus. I checked out a couple of other songs and was less than impressed at those as well.

All said, Virus is still a great album!!

That whole performance was god-awful.  Seriously, there's nothing more disgusting than listening to grown men masturbate to someone else's superior work, you know, the 9th Symphony, universally considered the greatest piece of music ever written, by a man who was practically DEAF, having to press his ears against his piano just to be able to take in some semblance of what he was creating.

People should be put to death for covering it.
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Philly Q on May 19, 2010, 06:16:10 PM
Seriously, there's nothing more disgusting than listening to grown men masturbate to someone else's superior work, you know, the 9th Symphony, universally considered the greatest piece of music ever written, by a man who was practically DEAF, having to press his ears against his piano just to be able to take in some semblance of what he was creating.

I think "universally considered the greatest piece of music ever written" is going a bit over the top!   :lol: 

Widely considered, perhaps.
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: CaptainDesslock on May 19, 2010, 06:43:28 PM
Seriously, there's nothing more disgusting than listening to grown men masturbate to someone else's superior work, you know, the 9th Symphony, universally considered the greatest piece of music ever written, by a man who was practically DEAF, having to press his ears against his piano just to be able to take in some semblance of what he was creating.

I think "universally considered the greatest piece of music ever written" is going a bit over the top!   :lol: 

Widely considered, perhaps.

There's no such thing as going over the top when it comes to the 9th!  :P

    Seid umschlungen,
    Diesen Kuß der ganzen Welt!

Well, I got my classical rant of the day out of the way so I'm happy enough!
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Philly Q on May 19, 2010, 06:50:45 PM
I like the Rainbow version of Beethoven's 9th on Difficult To Cure.
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Denim n Leather on May 19, 2010, 07:37:37 PM
I think the good Captain is experiencing caffeine withdrawl.

Virtually EVERY performance of classical music is in essence a cover, as most of the composers are dead and gone and virtually NONE of the original performances exist in recorded form.

That being said -- yes, the Heavenly cover is particularly bad. But there are MANY modern recordings and re-envisioning of classical pieces (generally, any piece written prior to the Industrial Revolution) that are flat-out G R E A T.
Title: Re: Heavenly -- GREAT power metal from ... France?!
Post by: Denim n Leather on May 19, 2010, 07:39:00 PM
The 9th Symphony is good. But even Beethoven has pieces that are far superior in my opinion.

You see that? "IN MY OPINION". That's the bit that's missing from your post that warrants a good flaming. :)