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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Jonny on May 13, 2010, 05:24:18 PM
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Been thinking about some things and one of them was "Is there a correlation between Metal and the Age of Listener"?
I can understand Rock and Roll, and the older generation because simply that sort of sound was first heard in those times and potentially imprinted a greater impact on the person than say rap has to the current generation. In my opinion, I hope I'll still like Metal in my older years but sort of can't imagine it at all.
Unfortunately are stereotypes for Metal, and none of them are 'older' for lack of a better term.
Opinions? Just one of those "I'm revising, but I'm taking a break and I just happened to think about this stuff" times.
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just look at ben.. he's a hundred fifty eleven and still likes metal :P
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My estimate of his age wasn't that far off after all!
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The Ancient Of Metal is not pleased ... =P
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The majority of the punters at the festivals we put on are probably 22-35. And probably as many older than that as there are younger.
I think the more extreme the music the older the listeners get, in terms of metal. Extreme music tends to have listeners that get rather dedicated and stick with it for a long, long time, in my experience. Plenty guys that got into grind as teenagers in 1987 still turning up to plenty gigs.
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i think that's just a stereotype put about by people who don't like metal. or people who thought they liked metal (or liked it to be cool) but then realised they didn't.
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I still listen tomost of the bands that I did when I was 16 as well as many other newer bands
In fact I'm just off to see KISS tonight
What I listened to was called metal back in it's day as well as hards rock
Maiden, Whitesnake, Judas Priest, Rainbow, MSG, Scorpions, Kiss, Queen, Van Halen, Ozzy, Motlety Crue etc etc
Think the name still applies although it may seem a bit slow and tame to some modern metallers
And I'm old now - soon to be 45
Anyway - off for a mosh at Wembley - see ya later
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In my opinion, I hope I'll still like Metal in my older years but sort of can't imagine it at all.
I think you'll probably still like the metal you like now, but perhaps you won't like whatever they're calling "metal" by the time you're old.
The music I like best is still the stuff I started listening to in the late '70s and early '80s, and I can't imagine a time when I will suddenly "go off it". I also kept up with a certain amount of new music in the '90s and '00s, and I like that too, but it doesn't mean as much. If anything, I've delved further back into the '70s to find stuff I missed when I was young.
I know nfe will say there's lots of great new music out there if you make the effort, but I've reached a point where I no longer hear much new "metal" that I either like or can relate to. I think it's partly because I'm at least 20 years older than the people making the music, partly because I'm "set in my ways" - that does happen as you get older.
So, when I'm old(er) I think I'll still be listening to Black Sabbath but I won't be listening to Crepuscular Anal Putrefaction or Blood Inside Cat's Vulva. QED.
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I know nfe will say there's lots of great new music out there if you make the effort, but I've reached a point where I no longer hear much new "metal" that I either like or can relate to. I think it's partly because I'm at least 20 years older than the people making the music, partly because I'm "set in my ways" - that does happen as you get older.
My point when I say this usually that whatever you are into, there will be new bands making it, and making it well. Not just that there's a lot of good totally new sounding music about.
The majority of what I listen to falls loosely into grindcore, black metal, crust and doom. And whilst they've all changed a bit (black metal particularly) a lot of the bands (and most of the best ones) still sound a lot like Napalm Death did in the 80's, or Darkthrone in the early 90's, or Doom in... etc etc. So recent bands like, say, Blood Ceremony, are a fantastic new act making music that sounds like 1976, y'know? :lol:
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The majority of what I listen to falls loosely into grindcore, black metal, crust and doom. And whilst they've all changed a bit (black metal particularly) a lot of the bands (and most of the best ones) still sound a lot like Napalm Death did in the 80's, or Darkthrone in the early 90's, or Doom in... etc etc. So recent bands like, say, Blood Ceremony, are a fantastic new act making music that sounds like 1976, y'know? :lol:
Yeah, I've heard some Blood Ceremony and quite like it (very Herschell Gordon Lewis! :P ). I take your point about many new bands sounding like their influences, and I have checked out a few of them (I love Spiritual Beggars, for example, and to me they're a "new" band). But on the whole they tend to sound like inferior imitations, so I just go back to the originals....
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yeah, philly, i mean what i consider metal is the 80s stuff. I like a little bit of the newer stuff like killswitch engage (inb4 all the troo guys start saying it's not metal, I don't care, and to the average person in the street it's metal), but mainly i like the older stuff.
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I'm with nfe on this.
At 38, my tastes are more extreme than in my teens. I first got into metal when I listened to Iron Maiden & Kiss at 12. I was slightly later than many of my friends getting into Thrash (seeing Anthrax & Testament in 1987 was probably the first time I really "got" it & thereafter Exodus became my absolute all time favourite band). Found early Napalm Death a bit too extreme at first (my guitar teacher taught at same school as Shane Embury), Death too (the band, not the genre).
But my tastes took a lurch to the extreme around 1990 with Obituary, Bolt Thrower, Cancer, Morbid Angel, Godflesh.
I'm fairly convinced that had Meshuggah released "Chaosphere" in 1988 as opposed to 1998 I wouldn't have liked it.
Yes, I do feel comfortably the oldest person in the room when I go to an extreme metal gig nowadays. On the flip side, when I went to see Rush last time, there were men in suits in their 50s in the audience & I would guess I was in the younger half of that crowd :lol: (a crowd which, incidentally, lifted the roof off the place when the band took the stage...)
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One thing I noticed about getting older and metal is I seem to get through albums quicker, the only new band I've got into in the past year or 2 has been Scar Symmetry. When old favourites release a new album I always think the old stuff is better, but if the new stuff was the was the old stuff and visa versa then I think I'd like whatever was released first
I do wonder if I'll ever hit a stage where I stop listening metal and get an urge to play 80s rock like some folk seem to.
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Looking a bit further into the future you'll all be into Jazz anyway 8)
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Looking a bit further into the future you'll all be into Jazz anyway 8)
That seems..... unlikely. :lol:
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hey, jazz is awesome too
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hey, jazz is awesome too
I agree - but only if it's this kind of Jazz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBmM79YadYM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBmM79YadYM)
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There doesnt seem to be much in it to me
I know lots of people that are round or over 40 that like similarly extreme music to me. Maybe not quite as extreme, but getting there. I know middle aged guys that are still looking for and getting into new bands. All told the age spread of metal-listeners I know is quite even, late teens through 50s.
There also seem to be a lot of people (I think probably more) that still enjoy what they liked in their teens and early twenties the most, when in their 40s and 50s. They get into new things (new to them at least) but if what they were into then was led zep, sabbath, deep purple and the like then I've noticed (or I *think* I've noticed) a tendency to hold that as the benchmark 'true' metal, and dismiss anything newer/heavier/more extreme as being noise or ripping off black sabbath :lol: There are exceptions to that though.
I dont think I know one person that never liked anything that has ever been part of or refered to as metal that has 'discovered' it and started listening to it at a later age than about 22 or 23 or so.
I've found a similar thing to Antag and nfe with me as well - my tastes got more extreme with time. I've been listening to metal since I was about 8, largely yer popular 80s bands (pretty much what Jonathan said) plus a bit of maiden....ok, a lot of maiden, status quo, queen, deep purple, def lepard, bon jovi etc etc etc, had a dark era in my teens where I listened to little but nirvana and britpop, and found metallica and slayer when I was 16 and its just got heavier since. Bands I love now, nile, origin, meshuggah, decapitated, crytopsy, hate eternal etc I would have and indeed did dismiss as pointless noise up to the age of about 23/24 (I'm 28 now). Its levelled out a bit now and there some things that are still too extreme for me (crowpath and ion dissonance, for example), but in my on going quest for an adrenal heaviness fix the most brutal music I listen to has only become more and more brutal.
I think a lot of that is that you have to learn to hear it, and its gotta happen in stages; discerning the music in among the chaos is, I believe, a skill aquired by exposure in stages. There was an article in last weeks new scientist about a similar thing - our atunment to simple, halcyon, vs complex dissonant intervals and commonality in the emotiveness of different musica systems and how easily we can discern and hear different musical structures, how much of that is learned and how much is innate. I'll see if I can find it online.
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I've just gone 35 at the start of this month and am still into my metal in a big way - I remember listening to the early Napalm stuff at school around '88/'89 and am still into that too - they're still putting out great records. My Dad is 65 and still loves his metal, but not quite the br00talz stuff - old school stuff like Sabbath, AC/DC, Priest.
Some great newer bands are (well, new to me)...
* Bone Gnawer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpLDOHrULOU
* Hour Of Pennance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1G8hWlmPQk (drums are insane on this track)
* Landmine Marrathon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ1-uHDFLxU (female vocals)
* Master: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNNT6lMDUCQ
* Rotten Sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N825LVlH8EU
* Scarab: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Yrpfc4czE&feature=related
* Wormrot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKb18QCYnnU
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I agree - but only if it's this kind of Jazz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBmM79YadYM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBmM79YadYM)
hehe. for a minute i was worried you were linking to that guy that everyone slagged off a while back (for not sounding like music). You know the one. :lol:
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I've just gone 35 at the start of this month and am still into my metal in a big way - I remember listening to the early Napalm stuff at school around '88/'89 and am still into that too - they're still putting out great records. My Dad is 65 and still loves his metal, but not quite the br00talz stuff - old school stuff like Sabbath, AC/DC, Priest.
Some great newer bands are (well, new to me)...
* Bone Gnawer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpLDOHrULOU
* Hour Of Pennance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1G8hWlmPQk (drums are insane on this track)
* Landmine Marrathon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ1-uHDFLxU (female vocals)
* Master: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNNT6lMDUCQ
* Rotten Sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N825LVlH8EU
* Scarab: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Yrpfc4czE&feature=related
* Wormrot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKb18QCYnnU
Yas! And I've put two of them on 8)
The first metal CD i ever listened to was Master - On the Seventh Day God Created Master that my cousin leant me.
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I've just gone 35 at the start of this month and am still into my metal in a big way - I remember listening to the early Napalm stuff at school around '88/'89 and am still into that too - they're still putting out great records. My Dad is 65 and still loves his metal, but not quite the br00talz stuff - old school stuff like Sabbath, AC/DC, Priest.
Some great newer bands are (well, new to me)...
* Bone Gnawer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpLDOHrULOU
* Hour Of Pennance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1G8hWlmPQk (drums are insane on this track)
* Landmine Marrathon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ1-uHDFLxU (female vocals)
* Master: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNNT6lMDUCQ
* Rotten Sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N825LVlH8EU
* Scarab: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Yrpfc4czE&feature=related
* Wormrot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKb18QCYnnU
OK, I've listened to all of those now, and..... I really love the Landmine Marathon album cover artwork! :P
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hey, jazz is awesome too
I agree - but only if it's this kind of Jazz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBmM79YadYM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBmM79YadYM)
i prefer this kind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMTPQVOWCiU
:)
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$%&#ing Hails Guys
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Well, im turning 31 in June, 24.
and the older i get the more extreme and fast the music i listen becomes.
for an exemple : I started listening to MUSIC in General with : Guns n Roses. Skid Row. Then, Sepultura, Sodom, SLAYER, Black Sabbath, Sarcófago, Destruction... Then, death metal : autopsy, carcass, morbid angel, dismember, entombed, death, master, then some hardcore like offpsring , and then Nirvana. then i started listening to some Doom Metal : Celestial Season, Anathema, Katatonia, Theater of tragedy, etc.. then Some blackmetal : Immortal, Darkthrone, Mayhem, astaroth, dissection, Burzum, and the likes. Then, Some swedish Death metal like at the gates, gates of ishtar, dark tranquillity, etc.
Then, some tech death, cryptopsy, spawn of possession ,pestilence, etc
and now it gets more weird and more extreme with some fusion metal, Fusion Heavy, Fusion death metal, tech death etc.
i like some other stuffs besides metal, but they arent as strong as metal to get my interest as strong as to buy a cd. i keep on listening to their mp3 .
i like blues, fusion jazz, classical, MPB, Folk. But never POP, and those faggy stuffs
Q: p
So, I HOPE I didnt´give up metal anytime soon. in life or death. Metal Is Transcedental.
JP
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actually, JP's band are really good too... http://www.youtube.com/RESTINDISGRACE#p/a/u/1/Wu5k0rHhdgQ
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It always struck me that lots of old geezer's liked metal in a fanatical sort of way - the majority of moshers (is this word still current?) are young but there are always oldies in a metal crowd who aren't a parent of some kid in the pit. In fact the only comparable music that mixes old and young that I know of is folk music 8)
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It is a truism in the wider music business that a consumer will listen to the music he/she/it*liked between the ages of 18 and 21 for the rest of his/her/its* life.
Metal and other niche genres are probably an exception however. I hated metal as a kid; I can sometimes listen to it now. Years ago, I met a 76-year old granny into extreme metal. I am pretty sure that stuff like Slayer and Megadeth (which she professed great enthusiasm for) were not widely available during her formative years.
*BKP not liable for claims of emotional chaos from gender grievance groups.
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I still like some of it. But my choices aren't considered metal these days but they were years ago. Depends what mood I'm in. I have to try and keep calm at work, which is when I most listen to music or I'll end up tearing around in my truck like a looney scaring the shite out of people.