Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: maddnotez on June 07, 2010, 03:51:05 PM
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Sorry to those who consider this a repost, it does have similarities to the thread below this. (Warpig vs Painkiller)
However, Im going for something a little different sound wise.
I Play through a 6505+ and a Crate Stealth 100w. I've been using the Crate more, but may get a hotplate and run both heads. The cabs I use: 4x12 G12-75, and 4x12 V30. Also have a rack loop with eq, compressor, sonic maximizer
The guitar im replacing the pickups in is an Ibanez S-5470.
Im going for super heavy, crunchy, high gain, high output melt your face off tone.
More so death metal bands, tones like Born of Osirus, The Faceless, lack Dahlia Murder for anyone who is farmiliar.
The issue is I dont know much about pickups, I have always just used actives assuming they were best for metal.
The Warpigs say 22k resistance, and the Painkillers at 15.6 from what I have read are supposed to be more agressive, wich is very confusing to me because the Warpigs put out more.
I would assume 22k is going to be more output, higher gain than the 15.6??
Please help, i have it narrowed down, but wich will be better for the tone I am looking for, with the limited gear I have.
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A C-pig is what you're after
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A C-pig is what you're after
What is the C-pig???
lol is that the war pig, or cold sweat or something? I couldnt find it on the site.
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Its a ceramic warpig.
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Its a ceramic warpig.
Ahh ok thank you. I assumed Warpig would be best.
Do they make ceramic and alnico Warpigs as well??? If so what are the differences?
Are the warpigs better for my sound in general because of more resistance?
Also not to get off topic but how do the C-PIG compare to Rock Monkey SOB or Beefbucker, and Motorcity Nukes.
(all 3 have higher resistance 23k, 25k, 26k)
Thanks for all your help guys.
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Don't get hung up on DC resistance, its not output level. It's only a useful comparison when comparing same manufacturer and using the exact same type of wire for the coil. I've got a Dimarzio Super 3 and its something ridiculous like 24k, but it doesnt seem as high output as a Miracle Man. It will just have thinner wire, so it has more resistance.
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Don't get hung up on DC resistance, its not output level. It's only a useful comparison when comparing same manufacturer and using the exact same type of wire for the coil. I've got a Dimarzio Super 3 and its something ridiculous like 24k, but it doesnt seem as high output as a Miracle Man. It will just have thinner wire, so it has more resistance.
Wow, ok thats great info thanks!!!
So what are all of the variables with a pickup?
Types of wire, Ceramic vs Alinico, Resistance. Anything else that makes any difference at all?
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Here is my cart so far.. :D
1. Position: Bridge
2. Spacing: 53 mm (my guitar is super thin)
3. Coil Colour: ??? ( I want the camo looking one in the picture, what color is that?)
4. Conductor: 4
6. Leg: Short (1/4") ???? Not sure here
7. Bridge Magnet: Ceramic
7. Gold Pole Screws/Slugs: NO
Please help with #3, #6
Also how do these compare to the Nukes from Motorcity, and the Rock Monkey Beefbucker?
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Send an email to Tim before you order, he'll know what leg length you need and the options for camo covers.
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You want short legs, and the coil cover isn't applicable as you need a cover. Select the covered option, then Camo ;)
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Send an email to Tim before you order, he'll know what leg length you need and the options for camo covers.
if i remember rightly the last time i looked at motorcity a few years back every pick up that they had was pretty much a copy of the BKP lineup the wording of the descriptions was even scarily similar.
I didnt trust them at all as they ran a business from a myspace page.
I guess they dont do that anymore :P
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Send an email to Tim before you order, he'll know what leg length you need and the options for camo covers.
if i remember rightly the last time i looked at motorcity a few years back every pick up that they had was pretty much a copy of the BKP lineup the wording of the descriptions was even scarily similar.
I didnt trust them at all as they ran a business from a myspace page.
I guess they dont do that anymore :P
HAha yea but the website they have looks very generic.
thanks for the input guys...Ill have to look into the "covers" and see what the differences are.
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I did run into one issue. When listening to the sound clips. I went through them all, but I compare these 2 specifiacally.
Recorded by: blackout
Tone/Song: Lamb of God, Laid To Rest
Click here: http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=1741&highlight=warpig
The first is Warpig, not sure if its Ceramic or Alnico.
Recorded by: MDV
Position: bridge
Guitar: Custom Legra
Amp: VOX TL LE
Tone/Song: "Br00talz"
Click here: http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13664.0
This one is the Painkiller.
Now everyone has been saying warpigs are the way to go. But the soundclip from the Painkiller imo is way better and 100% more of the sound im looking for.
However, I know the gear plays a factor.
Im curious if MDV used the same setup but only with the warpigs what it would sound like. :(
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well to be honest only you know what sound you want
everyone recomended me the warpig when i was getting my first BKP
however i much prefered the sound of the miracle man and bought that and was incredibly happy
i have since played a warpig equipped guitar and was not impressed at all it was far too high gain for what i wanted.
i would much rather have a pickup that has the cored tone i want and then notch the gain up on my amp than have a pickup with too much gain.
I do at times find the MM too high gain for certain things which is why my next BKP will be a cold sweat
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also i think MDV has also owned a warpig so why not send him a PM and ask
then again i am not 100% on this or not.
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also i think MDV has also owned a warpig so why not send him a PM and ask
then again i am not 100% on this or not.
yea i did, hopefully he replies. But DAMN....its almost perfect to what I am looking for.
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Don't get hung up on DC resistance, its not output level. It's only a useful comparison when comparing same manufacturer and using the exact same type of wire for the coil.
and same magnet type of course.
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So what are all of the variables with a pickup?
Types of wire, Ceramic vs Alinico, Resistance. Anything else that makes any difference at all?
Wire gauge, kind of alnico (II, III, IV or V - read the sticky post about this), the bobin's size, construction type (pole pieces ? allen screws ? rail ? magnets going thru the coil - like Fender single coils ? etc), baseplate or no baseplate, symetrical or "tapered" (slighty asymetrical) wiring, and of course how the wiring itself is done. And probably quite a few other things including phase of the moon, blind virgins tears and some very ancient rituals :mrgreen:
As Marauder already mentionned, DC resistance is only a very partial indication of what the pup will sound like on a given guitar.
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So what are all of the variables with a pickup?
Types of wire, Ceramic vs Alinico, Resistance. Anything else that makes any difference at all?
Wire gauge, kind of alnico (II, III, IV or V - read the sticky post about this), the bobin's size, construction type (pole pieces ? allen screws ? rail ? magnets going thru the coil - like Fender single coils ? etc), baseplate or no baseplate, symetrical or "tapered" (slighty asymetrical) wiring, and of course how the wiring itself is done. And probably quite a few other things including phase of the moon, blind virgins tears and some very ancient rituals :mrgreen:
As Marauder already mentionned, DC resistance is only a very partial indication of what the pup will sound like on a given guitar.
:lol:
Nice!!! So if I were to wrap virgin tears in 0 gauge, with Alinico V with no baseplate I could melt faces
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Close, but with no baseplate the pickup would just fall apart. :wink:
(Unless we're talking single-coils of course. D'oh! PDT_038 )
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Just to echo what's already been said - I'd like to highlight the very good advice to get away from thinking about DC resistance of pickups.
It's FAR more important to focus on the tonal characteristics of the pickup, and to match these as best as possible to your requirements. In particular the factors to consider would be:
Tonal spectrum - is a pickup scooped, fairly flat eq, mid-humped, strong in the bass, strong in treble etc etc
Gain tones available - Can this pickup get dirty enough? How are the cleans? Is the output in the right ballpark: Any of the contemporary range can get utterly dirty enough - and I mean any. If I can get utter br00talz out of a black dog, you shouldn't be worrying about the differences between a C-Pig and a Miracle Man.
Combination with the woods of the guitar - Does this pickup match well with the tone woods of your guitar?
and of course: What does it look like - I find this is the hardest bit about choosing my pickups, because there's a great selection of finishes available!
I don't think this message will get through, though :(
Roo
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Just to echo what's already been said - I'd like to highlight the very good advice to get away from thinking about DC resistance of pickups.
It's FAR more important to focus on the tonal characteristics of the pickup, and to match these as best as possible to your requirements. In particular the factors to consider would be:
Tonal spectrum - is a pickup scooped, fairly flat eq, mid-humped, strong in the bass, strong in treble etc etc
Gain tones available - Can this pickup get dirty enough? How are the cleans? Is the output in the right ballpark: Any of the contemporary range can get utterly dirty enough - and I mean any. If I can get utter br00talz out of a black dog, you shouldn't be worrying about the differences between a C-Pig and a Miracle Man.
Combination with the woods of the guitar - Does this pickup match well with the tone woods of your guitar?
and of course: What does it look like - I find this is the hardest bit about choosing my pickups, because there's a great selection of finishes available!
I don't think this message will get through, though :(
Roo
No it does. But im thinking painkiller after hearing more clips. I have an Ibanez S-5470, Mahogonay