Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: WITH FULL DISTORTION on December 14, 2005, 08:48:05 PM
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Hails Guys!!!
JUST A simple question.. can you point me a similar Seymour duncan BRIDGE pickup that has the same kind of tightness in the bass as the Nailbomb and Warpig has?
for an example.. " Nailbomb has a similar bass tightness as a seymour duncan model %Ļ&Ļ**" etc
" Warpig has a similar bass tightness as a seymour duncan model %Ļ&Ļ**" etc
Hails and thanks
J.P
i just want to have some idea of how tight are those 2 bkp pickups in comparison to the duncans, since the majority of the pickups i played are Duncans.. and a few dimarzios.
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Haha, you're really taking your time deciding aren't you? I'll try and get a recording up demonstrating some tight heavy warpig tone, possibly tonight.
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yeah. I AM. haahahah
throw in a 5150 settings on your pod
do you have the metal pack!?:
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check this out
http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=27011#27011
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THANKS MAN
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I still want someone(that own or owned both) to answer the questions about the nailbomb and warpig
$%&#ing hails and thAnks
J.P
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Well SD dont do a humbucker as high output as a Warpig, so you'll find it hard to compare.
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Well SD dont do a humbucker as high output as a Warpig, so you'll find it hard to compare.
Not even the Livewires?? :o
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The Livewires are active, they work in a very different way to a passive humbucker.
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yeah, obviously they work differently - but does the active circuit not boost the output, to make it higher than it could be with a passive humbucker?
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I still want someone(that own or owned both) to answer the questions about the nailbomb and warpig
#$%!& hails and thAnks
J.P
Just go for it Dude,you know they will sound better than anything SD or Di***zio do!
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YEAH.. any of you didnīt answer me yet, ahahah SORRY
what i want to do, is ONLY related to Bass tightness
Not tone, or output or etc.
i just want a simple comparison, between the nailbomb with a duncan, and the warpig with a duncan.
simple, clear and clean.
PLEASE GENTLEMEN
J.P
:twisted: :P
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Actives pickups dont output in the same way as a passive, they are wound with a very thick wire to get a pure signal and then boosted with a built in pre-amp. Normally they are ceramic based.
If it hasn't been answered I doubt that any one has both to compare. The best thing to do is listen to the sound clips to get an idea, or just buy one.
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just buy one.
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The best thing to do is listen to the sound clips to get an idea, or just buy one.
Yeah JP! IT'S TIME TO BUY ONE. take the plunge. if you don't like it, or its not how you expected, you can always send it back and exchange for another one. You've waited too long :P . You don't know what you're missing!
"The man who waits for everything to be perfect before starting, never starts!"
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JP, I can finally help you with one part of the equation, as I played a Nailbomb the other day.
NAILBOMB vs. DUNCAN JB -- Bass Response
The only SD pup I've owned that has an output similar to the Nailbomb is the BJ ... I mean, the JB! PDT_008
In terms of OVERALL OUTPUT LEVEL, the NB has way more low end chunk and grind. For extreme metal, I think that the Nailbomb is probably the ideal pickup. (Have never tried a Warpig, so I can't comment on it)
The NB is what I would call a 'distortion' pickup, in that it will drive your amp's preamp stage to overdrive even if it's set to be clean. There is a lot of talk about the versatiity of the NB, but I can't comment on it since I'm not a versatile player; I play metal, that's all.
Since the NB has an alnico magnet, it does retain some dynamics and headroom. The harder you play, the more output you're gonna get. However, on Wednesday, the amp was breaking up even on the clean channel. That says more about my lack of ability to play softly than about the NB, tho. I'm not a whacker, but I do have a certain amount of attack in my playing.
Is the bass tight on the NB? Sure, why not. There IS a lot of low end on the pickup, tho. Do I think that the bass is tighter than the Miracle Man? No. Do I still think that it's a better pickup for death metal? Yes.
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I guess Phil should bring his Warpig equipped explorer to TO's next rehearsal.
I'd love to hear that thru that Splawn amp. :D
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UNHOILY BEN, thankīs for the input..
a last question
so.. the Nailbombīs tightness of the BASS is similar than the jb bass tightness? PLus, it has more ammount of bass right?!?!!
Hails
J.P
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Just my two cents, the JB I've got sounds like mud. The rest of the components are exactly the same as my guitar which has Nailbombs in it. Obviously they are different guitars - one a superstrat 80's thing which weighs a tonne (has a JB), and the other a "PRS" (ie. Korean made) which has Nailbombs. The Nailbombs are clearer and were money better spent. In terms of bass, my amp is a Marshall so it will never have the modern hi-gain dual rectifier bass sound.
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THANKS man, i already know the tonal characteristics of the duncans and iīm figuring out(not completely) the bare knuckles one.
but i want to know specifically about the amount of tightness in the bass of the nailbomb and the warpig.. how it compares to, for an example duncan or dimarzio pups same ammount of bass tightness?!
Q:)
Thankīs
J.P
NOW I HAVE THE MONEY, but need this info to complete the LONG research that will culminate in my first bkp acquisition.
Q:)
J.P
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I just switched out a jb and yamaha neck pickup for a set of nailbombs in my yamaha aes620. I would say they are comparable output-wise but thats where it ends. The nailbombs are much clearer under heavy distortion but still have a really gnarly bite to them. I would say there is a touch more bass and that it is more focused although I did play around with my amps eq a bit. They also clean up really well with even a minor volume drop on the knob. Harmonics are better on the bridge than the JB. The neck is matched really well to the bridge pickup. For the neck I can only compare to the yamaha pickup and a rio grande texas special, neither of wich I liked as much.
Still playing with them as I just installed them a few days ago and finished exams so I'm finally logging some time on them and feeling them out. EXTREMELY HAPPY so far.
It sounds like warpigs are more suitable for a emg sound (but I'd say better sounding judging by my nailbombs) and probably don't sound too much like anything SD or dimarzio have to offer.
If you like old school sepultura, death metal, stoner rock and a versatile, excellent sounding pickup go for a NB or two.
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I still want someone(that own or owned both) to answer the questions about the nailbomb and warpig
#$%!& hails and thAnks
J.P
Well,,,hummm.I used to use many pickups.Compared to the Jb,the war pig can totally emplode the Jb into confetty!It never gets muddy,the mids are nicely pushed,for a sweet vocal response,and the highs are like pure glass,never sounding nasal,like the JB.Did i mention how nice the harmonic structure is?I have a calibrated set in the Paul,and for fluid 32 or 64th note runs,Its GODDAM ELECTRIC!!"THROW"EM A NICKLE,TELL 'EM TO GET A JOB,BITCH!
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Ohhh excellent.
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WFD, The first Nail Bomb, in fact the first BKP, I ever fitted to a guitar was for Chrisola.
I do all my testing of new guitars through a 1974 Traynor YGL-3 amp. The YGL-3 is famous for being clean all the way up to 10/10.
I was completely blown away by the clean overdrive crunch, articulation and TIGHT BASS response from this pickup.
You cannot define any part of this pickups ability by comparing it to any SD or Dimarzio product but if I had to; I'd say the bass is tighter and better defined than anything I've heard (and I certainly haven't heard them all) from either of the afore mentioned companies. I include JB's (or as someone more accurately said BJ's) Freds, Air Zones, Air Nortons, Breeds, Blaze, SH10's, Invaders, etc etc among those I have used.
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Ohhhhhhh Thankīs BOB
it sounds like iīl have to get 3 bkps
a set of WARPIGS and one nailbomb bridge.
J.P
iīm asking that a lot because i didnīt like the duncan distortion bass tightness, and the custom custom, nor the custom 5 bass tightness.
so.. i liked the Jb tightness. but it doesnīt have enough Bass for me.
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Ohhhhhhh Thankīs BOB
it sounds like iīl have to get 3 bkps
a set of WARPIGS and one nailbomb bridge.
J.P
iīm asking that a lot because i didnīt like the duncan distortion bass tightness, and the custom custom, nor the custom 5 bass tightness.
so.. i liked the Jb tightness. but it doesnīt have enough Bass for me.
Bass more present and defined than on the FullShred? I want. *adds Nailbomb to christmas list*
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Whatever happened to peace on earth, the Christmas spirit? Everybody's ordering Nailbombs and Warpigs for Chistmas. :wink:
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And it sure looks like I shall try and trade my MM for Nailbomb too :twisted: :twisted:
Now of course... NB or Warpig...?
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Lots of midrange, lots of POWER and aggression, TIGHT bass... Thing is, both seem to fit the same bill!
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And it sure looks like I shall try and trade my MM for Nailbomb too :twisted: :twisted:
Now of course... NB or Warpig...?
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Lots of midrange, lots of POWER and aggression, TIGHT bass... Thing is, both seem to fit the same bill!
Not really, the Miracle man is a very different pickup. It have a scooped mid range and a tighter bass, with more high end. Its a compleatly different tone.
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No no I meant the Warpig and NB :D Based on the clips I heard though, the Warpig seems fantastic, I'll try it first I think.
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Yeah.
which seymour duncan pickup equally or gets close in Bass tightness to a Bare knuckle Nailbomb and a bare knuckle warpig!?
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Please, please, please - spare us any further disquisitions - I'm feeling faint now from reading about more bass, less bass, tight bass, slack bass, old MacDonald had a farm, etc. JUST BUY SOME BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS!!! Got it? The vast majority of us have. Phew! I needed that. Thank you and good night.
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Please, please, please - spare us any further disquisitions - I'm feeling faint now from reading about more bass, less bass, tight bass, slack bass, old MacDonald had a farm, etc. JUST BUY SOME BARE KNUCKLE PICKUPS!!! Got it? The vast majority of us have. Phew! I needed that. Thank you and good night.
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None of us (apart from possibly Philking!) have got BKP and SD equipped guitars stacked up next to each other for exact comparison. I've used SD, DiMarzio, John Birch, Kinman and Rio Grande pickups - all I can say is that when I've replaced them with BKPs I've never been disappointed.
Just go for it!
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+2, just do it dude.
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Right guys - Dave_mc's next. OK?
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didnīt agree with you at all.
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I did have the chance to compare EMG-81's to the Warpig. The Warpig is a pure EMG-81 killer. The bass is a little less tight than the EMG. That's simply the difference between ceramic and AV. There is more bass in the Warpig tho. It's not muddy, it doesn't choke, it's not clinical, it's dynamic and it's BRUTAL.
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Right guys - Dave_mc's next. OK?
:lol:
In my defence, I haven't got my guitar yet that I want to put the BKP's in!
I'll be able to make up my mind, don't worry! (I'm verging towards MM's, with irish tour or trilogy in the middle, but, like JP, i'm not certain!)
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Dave, first of all, thanks for rising to the bait :wink: and secondly, we have full trust that, sooner or later, you'll get around to purchasing some BKPs - your enthusiasm for this board and BKPs shows that.
... now get saving and buy some!!!!! :D
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I did have the chance to compare EMG-81's to the Warpig. The Warpig is a pure EMG-81 killer. The bass is a little less tight than the EMG. That's simply the difference between ceramic and AV. There is more bass in the Warpig tho. It's not muddy, it doesn't choke, it's not clinical, it's dynamic and it's BRUTAL.
Thankīs MAN
thatīs the kind of comparison i am looking for
did you play the emg 85 in the bridge too?
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Dave, first of all, thanks for rising to the bait :wink: and secondly, we have full trust that, sooner or later, you'll get around to purchasing some BKPs - your enthusiasm for this board and BKPs shows that.
... now get saving and buy some!!!!! :D
i have the cash, i'm waiting for the guitar i want to come into stock- an ibanez rg8270 j custom, they don't seem to be available yet in the UK in the colour i want.
hey, i always rise to the bait! ;) :twisted:
8)
EDIT: also, i've just got a new amp (engl savage se) and i'm trying to figure out and tweak it so i can better decide what pickups would suit it...
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From what I can gather of the Warpig, it's somewhere between an EMG 81 and 85. If so, you're in for a treat :D
I'm getting a WP with a ceramic magnet for tighter bass end once I can flog some gear on ebay to pay for a set.
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Awww, yeah man.. i thought about that option too, much Steve told me that it will have a SMOOTHER midrange(scooped ???).. so, i īm not sure i want a scooped middle pup.
i want one with FULL mids.
thats why iīm still a little bit in a doubt between a warpig or a naibomb.
Only because of the bass tightness.
from the sounds i heard.. i preffer the WARPIG, cause the nailbomb clips doesnīt show the tone iīm looking for, but eq wise speaking, it has the mids im looking for and the Highs too.. but iīm not sure HOW tight ARE itīs Bass.
THATS my Only doubt. if someone came up with a comparison, iīll be able to decide if iīll pic up a warpig calibrated set, or a warpig bridge and a naibom bridge.
Hails
J.P
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[quote="Tellboy]None of us (apart from possibly Philking!) have got BKP and SD equipped guitars stacked up next to each other for exact comparison. I've used SD, DiMarzio, John Birch, Kinman and Rio Grande pickups - all I can say is that when I've replaced them with BKPs I've never been disappointed.
Just go for it![/quote]
I don't have any SD pickup guitars - I sold all my SD's apart from my original JB. I never had any of the high output SD's anyway - the newest JB's are way too muddy for what I like and the only SD's that come close to the BK open sound are the Seth Lovers.
You can get more bass tightness from BK's than from any of the SD's, but ulitimately your playing style, guitar, amp and speakers are going to affect the bottom end more than anything. Ben gets a great tight bottom end from the VHII that he uses in the Strat. I think all the BK hot pickups are capable of giving a tight bass sound, perhaps the ceramic magnet ones are a little tighter, but then you are sacrificing the sweetness of the mids and treble. The woods in your guitar will make a big difference too. I am moving my Abraxas IV's from my 53 LP to my chambered one, because the wood in the 53 is very light and doesn't let the Abraxas clean up as well as I would like. I am putting a set of Black Dog's into the 53 LP instead. However I wouldn't have known this without trying the pickups in that guitar.
The only way you will know is to try the pickups in your guitar. All I can tell you is that the MM makes me play more heavily because of it's sound, wheras the NB makes me think of more 80's sounds, and with the Warpig you have to play Sabbath when you plug it in!
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Huuumm, thankīs for the answer Phil
Q:)
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I did have the chance to compare EMG-81's to the Warpig. The Warpig is a pure EMG-81 killer. The bass is a little less tight than the EMG. That's simply the difference between ceramic and AV. There is more bass in the Warpig tho. It's not muddy, it doesn't choke, it's not clinical, it's dynamic and it's BRUTAL.
Thankīs MAN
thatīs the kind of comparison i am looking for
did you play the emg 85 in the bridge too?
I never had any 85's. I had an explorer with 81's and a Les Paul with an anniversary set 81's. The anniversary set had an engraved chrome cover. it sounded a bit more vintage to my ears. I sold the LP to a mate of mine. It sound quite wicked thru his Marshall valvestate, he even manages to get some U2 out of it. I sold it because my cheapo Mockingbird with the Warpig sounded better than the Gibson LP with EMG's.
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I did have the chance to compare EMG-81's to the Warpig. The Warpig is a pure EMG-81 killer. The bass is a little less tight than the EMG. That's simply the difference between ceramic and AV. There is more bass in the Warpig tho. It's not muddy, it doesn't choke, it's not clinical, it's dynamic and it's BRUTAL.
Thankīs MAN
thatīs the kind of comparison i am looking for
did you play the emg 85 in the bridge too?
I never had any 85's. I had an explorer with 81's and a Les Paul with an anniversary set 81's. The anniversary set had an engraved chrome cover. it sounded a bit more vintage to my ears. I sold the LP to a mate of mine. It sound quite wicked thru his Marshall valvestate, he even manages to get some U2 out of it. I sold it because my cheapo Mockingbird with the Warpig sounded better than the Gibson LP with EMG's.
O_o. score 1 for BKP zip for Emg's.
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yah, iīll get the warpig instead of the painkiller, nailbomb, miracle man set.
iīm just waiting for timīs answer on my Pm.
J.P