Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Brow on September 29, 2010, 01:28:54 PM
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Hey guys.
I'm thinking about changing the speakers in my Marshall 2x12 cab from the G12-75ts (I think) it currently has to something else.
I've had this cab since I was 15 years old, and it's always sounded great with my Marshall JCM800 2210 and my old Carlsbro 50-Top head, but find it's lacking something with my Splawn Quick Rod. The sound is perfectly ok, just a bit bland and feel I can get more from the amp with a different set of speakers.
I've had suggestions of the Splawn Small Block Speakers (a higher power variant of a Greenback) but they're not easilly available without having them sent to someone in the USA and then having them re-sent on to me etc. I've also been recommended the Scumback M75s, but at about £400 plus import tax to have them imported from the USA, I can't really justify the cost tbh.
Has anyone got any suggestions or recommendations of things I can look into that would give me atleast 100w power handling in a 2x12 cab? I play mainly 70s and 80s Rock, so nothing too out of the ordinary :)
I know speakers are a very personal thing, but atleast it's a good starting point for me to start researching :)
Thanks
Craig
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look for a pair of celestion sidewinders. They'll do you proud. For current production speakers, listen to Eminence Wizard or Tonespotter.
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I really Like the Eminence Man O War. Its 120w and the bass isnt as HUGE as they describe. It's kinda like a T75 crossed with a V30
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Vintage 30s may work if you like G12T-75s?
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i think T-75's and V30's are quite different. complimentary though.
Scumbacks are what people normally suggest to go with splawn I think. maybe along with Hellatones.
You could try some Tayden Brits.
2x Jensen Blackbirds....
buying speakers is the worst. such a hard thing to do. I wish someone just had a speaker shop exclusively where you could try all kinds of speakers in a variety of cabs or something.
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buying speakers is the worst. such a hard thing to do. I wish someone just had a speaker shop exclusively where you could try all kinds of speakers in a variety of cabs or something.
I was lucky enough to have a friend who hoards everything he buys so got to try 5 or 6 different ones before deciding but i agree completely
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look for a pair of celestion sidewinders. They'll do you proud. For current production speakers, listen to Eminence Wizard or Tonespotter.
+1 on the Sidewinders
I have them in all my cabs...
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Thanks for the suggestions so far :)
Vintage 30s may work if you like G12T-75s?
I've always liked the cab with the JCM800, Carlsbro and Orange amps I've owned but the Splawn seems a bit more picky with speakers it seems to like.
I tried the QR in Sounds Great with a Diamond Amps 4x12 that I think had V30s in it and I really liked it. But I don't know how much of that is down to the bigger cab Vs the different speakers.
Any suggestions where I could find any Sidewinder speakers?
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Thanks for the suggestions so far :)
Vintage 30s may work if you like G12T-75s?
I've always liked the cab with the JCM800, Carlsbro and Orange amps I've owned but the Splawn seems a bit more picky with speakers it seems to like.
I tried the QR in Sounds Great with a Diamond Amps 4x12 that I think had V30s in it and I really liked it. But I don't know how much of that is down to the bigger cab Vs the different speakers.
Any suggestions where I could find any Sidewinder speakers?
They have been out of production for years sadly
Ebay was where I scored my last one
At leasdt 3 Forumites have them in cabs that I know of
Me
Phil King
Will
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A V30 and G12h30 make a great combo!
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A V30 and G12h30 make a great combo!
But it's only 60 Watts.
I like the G12K-100 for high power applications, and the G12T-100 is like a higher rated Greenback.
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Is there a higher wattage Tayden G12H alike?
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I tried the QR in Sounds Great with a Diamond Amps 4x12 that I think had V30s in it and I really liked it. But I don't know how much of that is down to the bigger cab Vs the different speakers.
I've just checked the Diamond Amps website and the 4x12 cab I tried my QR with originally either had 4x V30s or 2x V30s and 2x G12H Anniversary Speakers.
If I had the money (and the space) I'd get 1 of those cabs as it really seemed to fit the QR well. IMO atleast as alot of Splawn users don't like V30s very much :lol:
I've also had a look into Zilla Cabs as mentioned in another thread on here, and really like the look of their oversized 2x12 cabs
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Is there a higher wattage Tayden G12H alike?
Tayden can make a G12H with a Kapton voice coil which will increase the power handling to around 60W.
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A V30 and G12h30 make a great combo!
But it's only 60 Watts.
I like the G12K-100 for high power applications, and the G12T-100 is like a higher rated Greenback.
A V-30 (depending on who you talk to) can handle 60 Watts or 75 Watts. They are definitely NOT 30 watt speakers-- 30 refers to the size (30cm).
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You're missing the point mate ;)
A V30 and a G12H in the same cab can only handle twice the power of the lowest wattage speaker. A G12H is rated at 30w, therefore the cab can handle 60w.......
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Ok, you could be right, then maybe two V30's.
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The V30 has an excellent resale value, so if you don't like it... :shock:
Personally I've been a loyal Eminence fan; I used to have the V30 16 ohm and the T75 8 & 16 Ohm, but nowadays I use Eminence mostly.
I've got the Krank Legend V12, which I hear is a bit different from the standard Eminence Legend V12. It's a great all around speaker, maybe a bit much bass.
I've used the E. Governor a lot, very aggressive and powerful, cuts through the mix great. I also have a E. Black Powder, supertight, great for superclean sounds or superheavy downtuned ones. Not much in between. And finally an E. Cannabis Rex, which is kind of similar to a Weber speaker (I was told, aka hearsay). Big round sound, very warm, very full, great for making a harsh amp sound big and warm.
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The V30 has an excellent resale value, so if you don't like it... :shock:
Personally I've been a loyal Eminence fan; I used to have the V30 16 ohm and the T75 8 & 16 Ohm, but nowadays I use Eminence mostly.
I've got the Krank Legend V12, which I hear is a bit different from the standard Eminence Legend V12. It's a great all around speaker, maybe a bit much bass.
I've used the E. Governor a lot, very aggressive and powerful, cuts through the mix great. I also have a E. Black Powder, supertight, great for superclean sounds or superheavy downtuned ones. Not much in between. And finally an E. Cannabis Rex, which is kind of similar to a Weber speaker (I was told, aka hearsay). Big round sound, very warm, very full, great for making a harsh amp sound big and warm.
Thanks for the info!
I don't really know of many people that use Eminence, so thanks for the input and other point of view! :)
The list of possible speakers to look into is now getting quite long................ :lol:
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You're missing the point mate ;)
A V30 and a G12H in the same cab can only handle twice the power of the lowest wattage speaker. A G12H is rated at 30w, therefore the cab can handle 60w.......
That doesnt seem right to me, when the power is distributed between 2 - 4 speakers. It would, I guess, be distributed between the speakers according to their relative impedences, if theres any rule to it, and just equally if not. Practically speaking, since impedences are rarely (at least)/never (that I know of) mixed the power will be split evenly between them.
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i was wondering about this.
a 4x T75 cab is rated for 300watts. even though it has 4 75watt speakers, by that rule it would only handle 150watts right?
a higher power g12h has got me gasing a bit.
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You're missing the point mate ;)
A V30 and a G12H in the same cab can only handle twice the power of the lowest wattage speaker. A G12H is rated at 30w, therefore the cab can handle 60w.......
That doesnt seem right to me, when the power is distributed between 2 - 4 speakers. It would, I guess, be distributed between the speakers according to their relative impedences, if theres any rule to it, and just equally if not. Practically speaking, since impedences are rarely (at least)/never (that I know of) mixed the power will be split evenly between them.
Are you agreeing or not? :)
You're right anyway in that power is distributed according to impedance, just as any other load.
Usually equally therefore, and thus limited to 2 times (or 4 times in a 4x12) the LOWEST powered speaker.
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Actually, yes, that follows.
I was dissagreeing, for the record, using the same logic that should have led me to agree.
Anywho, yeah, bit distracted; last day of work ever!
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Anywho, yeah, bit distracted; last day of work ever!
see you on jeremy kyle then?
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Isn't a Classic Lead essentially a G12H30 with a kapton coil? Or am I mixing things up.
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Thanks for the info!
I don't really know of many people that use Eminence, so thanks for the input and other point of view! :)
Then count me in too - I use an eminence legend GB 12/8 on my HRDx, was on my Blues Junior before, and it's been a major improvement in both amps. It's a kind of a greenback-like (as the name implies), with possibly tighter lows (but I'd need to compare with a real greenback in the same cab and with the same amp to make sure), and it's really not expensive.
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Anywho, yeah, bit distracted; last day of work ever!
see you on jeremy kyle then?
I had to look him up - I dont own a TV, remeber, let alon e watch it in the day.
No, I took a voluntary severance deal that they offered to everyone where I work. I'll be self employed as a guitar tech and audio engineer (before any of you whine that I'm not very good at that; its a relative thing; I'm better than most in the back of beyond I live in).
If it doesnt work, then I've got good qualifications and a good CV: photovoltaics/nuclear fusion/nanoelectromechanics here I come! (stuff I specialised in at uni mainly).
Sorry for the threadjack
Carry on....speakers, etc.
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Isn't a Classic Lead essentially a G12H30 with a kapton coil? Or am I mixing things up.
Quite possible. They look to be very similar apart from the power handling. They might use different cones though.
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A V-30 (depending on who you talk to) can handle 60 Watts or 75 Watts. They are definitely NOT 30 watt speakers-- 30 refers to the size (30cm).
A Celestion rep once told me that the V30 can handle an easy 60w, but it needs 30w to make it sound the way it was intended, hence 'Vintage 30'
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the Tayden Great Brit (50w) has gotta be the one to go for in a 2x12.
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Thanks for the new suggestions!
I'm going to use my QR locally with a few different 2x12s and see if anything peaks my interest, Orange 2x12 with V30s as a starting point, and see how I go.
I may eventually try and sneak another 4x12 in when the girlfriends not looking :lol: