Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: Ian Price on October 14, 2010, 06:26:12 PM
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....after doing something to my ankle playing football last night. Apparently I've got a sprained ankle - I've been told to keep it up as much as I can (easy Afghan) and not put too much pressure on it until the swelling has subsided. The upshot is that I may not be fit to make the long car journey to the meet on Saturday :x
It's pretty painful and I'm not sure I could drive a long distance (let alone stand around all day playing guitars):
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh267/IanPPrice/DSC02516.jpg)
F@cking gutted.
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OWWW!
Hope it eases off quickly.
You'll just have to lounge on the sofa with a telecaster and the remote while the missus brings you cups of tea and savoury snacks...
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Ouch indeed :(
Get well soon mate!
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get some arnica gel from health food store to put on it - will reduce pain and swelling quickly
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I agree with Jonathan- Arnica gel- Mrs 38th owns a health food store and is forever "prescribing" it to me whenever I suffer a bizarre gardening injury. Swelling is good too-it is nature's way of bringing about a repair and immobilizing the part of the body affected so that it can heal.
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Never heard of Arnica gel before. Will give it a whirl!
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ouch! hope the gel gives you a speedy recovery
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Hope you feel better soon!
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Never heard of Arnica gel before. Will give it a whirl!
Get some tomorrow, then we'll see you on Sat ;)
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get some arnica gel from health food store to put on it - will reduce pain and swelling quickly
This is the stuff
(http://newhealthcareshop.com/images/arnicagel.jpg)
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Arnica is good!! :)
Hope you get better soon!
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wish you fast recovery, but in the meantime spank the plank....
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Can't you just cut it off?
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Rest easy and hope the swelling goes down soon (fnar fnar).
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North Hants A&E, eh? Was there myself a couple of weeks back with a dislocated finger (tried to catch a cricket ball and it carried on taking my finger with it..) - there were a lot of people with ankle injuries.
At least you can still play the geetar with a knackered ankle...
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See this is what happens when you do exercise!
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Cuprofen gel is cheap and does the trick, depending on what medication you are already taking.
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^Actually there's little evidence of the efficacy of topical NSAID creams/gels. Regular oral ibuprofen is way cheaper and probably more effective (especially if combined with self massage of the effected area, which is probably why people report benefit from the gels).
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Ouch! Hope it's better soon !
I broke a rib when playing football just before going off travelling for a year. Then I re broke it 3 weeks later putting my rucksack on! Should have gone to the docs really.
Also broke my wrist but decided it was just sprained which meant it all had to be re set 2 days later!
Not played since but that's more due to having kids...
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At least you can still play the geetar with a knackered ankle...
Not if you can't hardly walk and the missus puts your guitar out of reach :lol:
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Damn, that looks painful! My other half sprained hers in July and she was in loads of pain (well, judging by all the complaining anyway).
Get well soon!
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Man up you big girl, it's only a twisted ankle PDT_008
Maybe you should take your pain killers in the morning when you're putting on your makeup. PDT_031
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Better trying to pluck with a bent finger...
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Better trying to pluck with a bent finger...
I tried that recently... it sucks!
Arnica is the realness!
Incidentally, that's how our old singers ankle looked when he got bitten by a spider, but with more black in it.
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Ian - pics or it didn't happen...
:)
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^Actually there's little evidence of the efficacy of topical NSAID creams/gels. Regular oral ibuprofen is way cheaper and probably more effective (especially if combined with self massage of the effected area, which is probably why people report benefit from the gels).
Careful! I recruited the person that organised the clinical trials for that one. :)
She'd be a bit upset if she read that :lol:
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I was thinking about rewording it a little actually, it comes across a bit strong, and I can't remember where I read it (it was when I did pharmacology). However, as we both know, all you need from a trial to market a drug is better than placebo results with a P of less than 0.05, which in theory is evidence it works but in practice can be meaningless (especially when the drug companies opt not to publish the concurrent trials which didn't show any benefit). Single trials have value but even the best conctructed trial has scope for inaccuracy, which is why meta-analysis is so valued in medicine.
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However, as we both know, all you need from a trial to market a drug is better than placebo results with a P of less than 0.05, which in theory is evidence it works but in practice can be meaningless (especially when the drug companies opt not to publish the concurrent trials which didn't show any benefit).
That's not the case any more. New trial transparency regulations mean that a lot more results, positive AND negative, now make it into the public domain.
Single trials have value but even the best conctructed trial has scope for inaccuracy, which is why meta-analysis is so valued in medicine.
Not necessarily true. I'd trust one large well conducted trial with a defined population over a whole bunch of small random ones stitched together.
I know a little bit about this kinda stuff ;)
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Rather surprisingly for someone of my background and cognitive impairment I was actually aware of both of your points.
Regardless of P values and other stats etc. I tend to only recommend stuff I use and like.
So for football and wank1ng related injuries, I can honestly say it has been more effective than ibuprofen tablets.
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The registration regulations will only really have effected products coming to the market from next year, and I'm sure the pharmaceutical industry will come up with new ways to market questionable drugs. Seeing as one of the big problems is how cosy industry is with it's regulators, I'm not too optimistic :( As for the drugs currently on the market, my statements are largely true, and indeed only 2 months ago AstraZeneca settled a huge case about suppression of trial data.
As for trials,well structured large multi-centre RCTs are indeed strong evidence, but unless they went on forever and considered every conceivable variable and ruthlessly tracked down every possible confounding variable, they always have some scope for error or misinterpretation. Indeed, there's a saying that goes "you only really learn about a drug after it's been used in practice for a while". Your point is a little off though, as systematic reviews consider the quality and size of individual trials and weight them accordingly, and one large well constructed trial will offset numerous small poorly constructed ones (much to the chagrin of homeopaths).
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This got very heavy all of a sudden, for a moment I thought I was on the Badscience forum.
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As for trials,well structured large multi-centre RCTs are indeed strong evidence, but unless they went on forever and considered every conceivable variable and ruthlessly tracked down every possible confounding variable, they always have some scope for error or misinterpretation. Indeed, there's a saying that goes "you only really learn about a drug after it's been used in practice for a while".
Well that's blindingly obvious isn't it? No trial, or collection of trials, can cover every single patient type in enough numbers to make a meaningful analysis that exactly represents the global population.
So would you like the pharms companies to run even bigger and longer studies, examine all the data every which way, and THEN sell the drug? You'd like them to be hideously more expensive than they are now? :?
Drugs are toxic by their very nature, and there's always a risk of nasty events happening when you take ANY of them. It's for you and your doctor to assess that risk before taking any :)
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No, RCTs aren't perfect but they're the best we can come up with. However, the point is that for medical applications systematic review is the gold standard of evidence. This isn't particularly useful when assessing new drugs however, and yes, you need to assess a treatment on it's merits, which is why it's such a scandal that so often in the past the companies have milsed over efficacy and suppressed side effect data.
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I think you're over-egging the "misled" part, as I don't believe it's a widespread problem in the pharms industry. We all have our own opinions though :)
Anyway, back on topic(!), how's the foot Ian?
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Ian - are you up to entering any ar$e kicking competitions yet?
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Cheers all - the foot is on the mend. I can walk pretty much without any pain, will start doing a bit of swimming next week and maybe some running again a few weeks after that. The swelling has gone pretty much completely - I used the old fashion methods of compression, ice and elevation.
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Speaking of walking, three days ago I botched my foot up and I haven't the foggiest what's wrong with it and I can't walk properly. Hooray.
So really I'd rather have a bust up ankle right now it's so annoying :P