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=> BKP Sound Clips => Topic started by: Tim on October 28, 2010, 11:17:20 AM
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The long awaited Aftermath humbucker, fitted to a Daemoness guitar and demoed by Adam Getgood of Red Seas Fire.
[EDIT: Ol.]
If you arrived by via the newsletter, the Misha Mansoor Aftermath demo is here:
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22576.0
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Very nice :D Whats the spec of the coils and magnets Tim?
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Bridge DC14.7K ceramic, neck DC11.5K Alnico - these are symmetrically wound to keep the mids focused and the magnets are specially calibrated to deliver a lot of power without choking the headroom. I think both Adam's and Misha's clip bring across perfectly what the Aftermath is all about - tight, focused grind which is adaptable enough for to let complex chords really breath and track fast riffing extremely accurately.
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Awesome name and tone.
I will have to buy a calibrated set to check them out!
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Awesome.
How would you compare it with the Cold Sweat bridge? Cold Sweat is my favorite neck pickup, but I just found out that the bridge version doesn't suit my taste. I think they would match nicely.
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The CS is a lot brighter, not as hot (but not by much) and doesnt have the savage aggression in the mids the aftermath does. I think a similar level of bass all told, but the CS will seem brighter/aftermath seem darker because the CS has more top end and the AM has more (and much growlier) low mids.
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^^cool, good to know (I also have a guitar with CS in it)
the soundclip sounds fantastic
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The CS is a lot brighter, not as hot (but not by much) and doesnt have the savage aggression in the mids the aftermath does. I think a similar level of bass all told, but the CS will seem brighter/aftermath seem darker because the CS has more top end and the AM has more (and much growlier) low mids.
from that description it sounds like everything i wanted my CS to do.
I don't like the clips much that have been posted so far though :(
I'll hold out until theres some posted with marshall type amps playing more metallica/megadeth/slayer kinda stuff.
Dont you have a JVM MDV? :P
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Hi Tim,
How would you compare the Aftermath and the Painkiller?
GM,
www.aftershok.com
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The CS is a lot brighter, not as hot (but not by much) and doesnt have the savage aggression in the mids the aftermath does. I think a similar level of bass all told, but the CS will seem brighter/aftermath seem darker because the CS has more top end and the AM has more (and much growlier) low mids.
from that description it sounds like everything i wanted my CS to do.
I don't like the clips much that have been posted so far though :(
I'll hold out until theres some posted with marshall type amps playing more metallica/megadeth/slayer kinda stuff.
Dont you have a JVM MDV? :P
I do.
Perhaps if you asked nicely....;)
Hioctane
The aftermath has a similar mid level to the PK, but with more low mid emphasis and none of the high mid spike. Its low end is tighter and its top end is smoother.
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That clip pretty much sums up the perfect rhythm tone IMO. Will definitely buy.
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MDV,
Thanks for your response!
So I take it you prefer the Aftermath to the Painkiller?
I am most familiar with the tone of a Duncan Distortion- any comments in terms of
comparing these two pickups to the DD?
GM,
www.aftershok.com
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I greatly prefer the aftermath to the painkiller, yes.
I used the PK as my main pickup for ages and switched to the aftermath as soon as I got one (about a year ago).
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just curious how do the Aftermath pups compare to the warpigs?
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Awesome! Only one question from me:
Which one for Djent? PK or AM?
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Thanks for the kind words guys :)
Something I should point out that the guitars are quad-tracked in the clip. The AM really excels for layering because its leaner sound means takes can be stacked up without getting bloated/muddy, and the tightness reduces the amount of low-end smudge.
just curious how do the Aftermath pups compare to the warpigs?
The Warpig is a huge, thick, saturated sounding pickup with massive output, while the AM is much leaner affair - the emphasis is on surgical precision with, a lot more brightness in the top end, significantly less low end and a much drier feel.
Awesome! Only one question from me:
Which one for Djent? PK or AM?
It's gotta be the PK, that upper-mid voicing is insta-djent :)
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What, may i ask, is this pickup really looking to excel at?
Is it just a good intermediate between the PK and MM? Tight lows, but with more mids? The clips sound killer, though its tough to subjectify to your own application....
Nolly -
Like you, I have a Rebel yell and love it... so how does this compare, with their similar output?
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Fast, aggressive, percussive palm muted and stocatto 'modern' rhythm guitar.
It can also shred like a mother$%&#er, if you can, but thats not its mission objective.
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Cheers Nolly, PK still for me then, hehe.
Clip sounded awesome though. :D
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i think i'll stop posting audio files, every time i listen to one of yours i feel the urge to commit some self cleansing ritual automutilation... :lol:
this was meant to be a "great demo, Nolly!" :P
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Nolly -
Like you, I have a Rebel yell and love it... so how does this compare, with their similar output?
Their DC resistances may be close but the Aftermath pushes much harder with it's 3 ceramic mags. Going from the RY to the AM you would encounter more top end, stiffer/drier feel and a more focussed midrange. The RY is very tight, but the AM has absolutely 0 "give" in it, it feels incredibly direct.
The RY is considerably more organic, with excellent dynamic range and more open voicing. It's definitely the more versatile of the two.
In other words, both have their strengths and both are great :)
i think i'll stop posting audio files, every time i listen to one of yours i feel the urge to commit some self cleansing ritual automutilation... :lol:
this was meant to be a "great demo, Nolly!" :P
Apologies for the discomfort, none intended!
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Fast, aggressive, percussive palm muted and stocatto 'modern' rhythm guitar.
It can also shred like a mother$%&#er, if you can, but thats not its mission objective.
You see, I like to chuggah chuggah, but I also need a full bodied lead tone.
I play everything from Led Zeppelin, to Yngwie, to Ozzy, to Metallica, to Slayer, to Dream Theater, to Necrophagist.
So far... I dunno, the Aftermath sounds like it may be my best bet... Either that or the MM or the a5-WP or the c-WP... Just soooo hard to decide here. Hahahaha. I will get there eventually!!!
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You can raise the screw poles nearer the neck under the plain strings, while leaving the screw poles under the wound strings the same. Instant fuller leads/sound on plain strings in general, leaving the main body of rhythm sounds untouched.
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Absolutely GREAT! I love the sound! I use a Miracle Man which I keep telling people is a great way to get gain and tone at the same time. How do the two pickups stack up or differ?
Here is a rough draft song I have done (no bass on it) using the Miracle Man.
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Nolly -
Like you, I have a Rebel yell and love it... so how does this compare, with their similar output?
Their DC resistances may be close but the Aftermath pushes much harder with it's 3 ceramic mags. Going from the RY to the AM you would encounter more top end, stiffer/drier feel and a more focussed midrange. The RY is very tight, but the AM has absolutely 0 "give" in it, it feels incredibly direct.
The RY is considerably more organic, with excellent dynamic range and more open voicing. It's definitely the more versatile of the two.
In other words, both have their strengths and both are great :)
Word Nolly, much thanks for the reply.
That sounds like a good description; in that i can really visualize what the difference might be, subjectively in my application. I suppose i am still curious about the midrange - which was what really sold me on the RY.
In saying the AM has a more "focused" midrange, were you saying that in comparison the RY was just "broader/wider" in that range? By "0 give", do you mean it's ultra-compressed?
I'm very curious about trying this pickup... i suppose i'm just trying to sell myself on it's unique qualities, removed from the other ceramics i tried (Miracle Man and Cold Sweat), which i did not like. Every one sounded scooped, be that as subjective for my sound and application -
Does it stand right along with those, as far as "lots of low, lots of highs" or does the midrange come through more? Would you say it's worth trying if i thought the other 2 ceramics (CS and MM) weren't for me at all?
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Word Nolly, much thanks for the reply.
That sounds like a good description; in that i can really visualize what the difference might be, subjectively in my application. I suppose i am still curious about the midrange - which was what really sold me on the RY.
In saying the AM has a more "focused" midrange, were you saying that in comparison the RY was just "broader/wider" in that range? By "0 give", do you mean it's ultra-compressed?
I'm very curious about trying this pickup... i suppose i'm just trying to sell myself on it's unique qualities, removed from the other ceramics i tried (Miracle Man and Cold Sweat), which i did not like. Every one sounded scooped, be that as subjective for my sound and application -
Does it stand right along with those, as far as "lots of low, lots of highs" or does the midrange come through more? Would you say it's worth trying if i thought the other 2 ceramics (CS and MM) weren't for me at all?
By focussed I mean that it has a less open character than the Rebel Yell- the mids are denser with more grind and snarl. When I said "zero-give", I was trying to convey that the response is so quick it gives you absolutely nowhere to hide!
I think you'd find the Aftermath considerably more midrangey than the MM and CS, both of which are rather smooth in that area. Hope that helps!
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Dude. Yikes. I dont think there's any way i can't not have one (or any way i could have more negatives in a sentence). Wow. Maybe, if it's even possible to be too tight, i could just bias my tubes cold, with more sag or something. Heheh.
Thanks again Nolly. And i just posted a clip of the Rebel Yell in my Tele...... doing pretty much what the Aftermath could do naturally, with less effort in tone tweaking.
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Dude. Yikes. I dont think there's any way i can't not have one (or any way i could have more negatives in a sentence). Wow. Maybe, if it's even possible to be too tight, i could just bias my tubes cold, with more sag or something. Heheh.
Thanks again Nolly. And i just posted a clip of the Rebel Yell in my Tele...... doing pretty much what the Aftermath could do naturally, with less effort in tone tweaking.
Wicked, I'm entirely not sure you won't enjoy the AM ;)
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Which are the differences between Aftermath sound and the ceramic Nailbomb? I feel that the Aftermath is more tight on lows. But does the Nailbomb have more highs? It appears so. The highs in the Aftermath appear to be somehow tamed by the very strong midds. At least in this demo.
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Which are the differences between Aftermath sound and the ceramic Nailbomb? I feel that the Aftermath is more tight on lows. But does the Nailbomb have more highs? It appears so. The highs in the Aftermath appear to be somehow tamed by the very strong midds. At least in this demo.
Yes, that'd be a fair approximation. It's worth noting too that the c-'bomb produces more saturated/compressed tone that does lend it a naturally "bigger" sound.
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Nolly -
Like you, I have a Rebel yell and love it... so how does this compare, with their similar output?
Their DC resistances may be close but the Aftermath pushes much harder with it's 3 ceramic mags. Going from the RY to the AM you would encounter more top end, stiffer/drier feel and a more focussed midrange. The RY is very tight, but the AM has absolutely 0 "give" in it, it feels incredibly direct.
The RY is considerably more organic, with excellent dynamic range and more open voicing. It's definitely the more versatile of the two.
In other words, both have their strengths and both are great :)
Word Nolly, much thanks for the reply.
That sounds like a good description; in that i can really visualize what the difference might be, subjectively in my application. I suppose i am still curious about the midrange - which was what really sold me on the RY.
In saying the AM has a more "focused" midrange, were you saying that in comparison the RY was just "broader/wider" in that range? By "0 give", do you mean it's ultra-compressed?
I'm very curious about trying this pickup... i suppose i'm just trying to sell myself on it's unique qualities, removed from the other ceramics i tried (Miracle Man and Cold Sweat), which i did not like. Every one sounded scooped, be that as subjective for my sound and application -
Does it stand right along with those, as far as "lots of low, lots of highs" or does the midrange come through more? Would you say it's worth trying if i thought the other 2 ceramics (CS and MM) weren't for me at all?
I'm surprised you found the Miracle man scooped (I've not tried the CS). Admittedly I run with a lot of mids on the amp, but I found the mids on the miracle man nicely aggressive and easily prominent enough. I LOATHE a scooped sound!
For what it's worth, in a side-by-side comparison here, I find the aftermath has more bite in the mids, and they are perhaps a bit more noticeable because the low end is much less pronounced. The lows on the MM are pretty epic.
Of course, if you run with a scooped amp and have a mid-light guitar, any pickup is going to sound scooped, but at least in my hands, the miracle man wasn't scooped in a basswood/maple ibanez or my custom baritone (maple/bubinga/wenge/bubinga/maple neck-through with bubinga wings, wenge top and ebony fretboard).
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i'm with Roo... MM has a lot of mids!
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I will also chime in saying the MM has plenty of mids.
They are slightly relaxed but i wouldnt say they are scooped at all
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What would you advise nolly, out of MM, aftermath or nailbomb for a chimaira, KSE and mnemic type tone also red seas fire tone is crushing dude.
Gear = Jaden Rose through a diezel vh4 and mesa cab, I know you had NB in your BM through your diezel so wondering if that would work as similar set up
Many thanks.
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Anyone else then? does not have to be nolly that could advise me?
Kind regards
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i think the miracle man or aftermath could do those kind of tones without any problem the miracle man more so as it has that extra sizzle in the highs.
The nailbomb in my experience wont do them but others will beg to differ. You'd probably be better starting your own thread on this