Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: fr33man1 on December 02, 2010, 01:41:07 PM
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Hey fellas. I kinda miss the feeling of a good tube amp those days. (too much numeric line 6 pod abuse I guess).
I'm willing to put something around 900 euros on the table to get something with convincing hi gain sounds, something massive, well built but not sterile or too tight or djenty.
In my range I can get a new JCA 100 (slo 100 clone, liked alot the soldano one in a shop), orange rockerverb 50 used , HK triamp MKI combo for very cheap by a neighbour and also the standard but very reliable and good sounding old peavey 6505/5150. I forgot a krank revolution one thats also being sold not so far from my place.
All I know is that I want to avoid Engl amps and I don't want a sounds factory like my old diezel einstein that I don't get all the fuss around it, it sounds good but nothing awesome and is way too much focused on low end and does not match alot of cabinets except the diezel one. Really want to avoid those amps that sound good under certain conditions.
On all I listed the orange retained my interest as its surely easy to dial in, few controls and only 2 channels and from what I know it can cover vaste tonal range from rock n roll to extreme tones.
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How about the new Peavey 6505+ 1x12 combo? It's had a great review in one of the mags this month...
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Tried it out in a shop and I'm torn. It sounded ok with my eclipse but awfull with an ash bodied esp horizon. Very muddy overall, stock speaker is junk, much more than the ones in the original 5150 combo imo. :(
I guess it's gonna be between a peavey 5150/6505 and the orange. I'm curious on the Triamp, it might sound cool but I'm always skeptic on those amps with so much controls and channels. Here in France we often say on such gear that its versality means 'it does all but nothing good'. :P
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I liked the Jet City SLO100 type head when I tried it out, would defo try one of those out - great value for money imo.
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If you can persuade him to ship, this is a bargain
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ashdown-Fallen-Angel-60-Valve-Combo-/150527621887?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Amplifiers_RL&hash=item230c253aff
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The Rockerverb has a lot of gain. The drivechannel goes from SVR to brutal, but no harsh distortion. I find the cleanchannel very good. This Orange has tone...
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How about the new Peavey 6505+ 1x12 combo? It's had a great review in one of the mags this month...
Doesn't everything?
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I don't think the soldano kind of thing and the orange rockerverb are that similar. I find the orange gain tone a little loose and more fuzzy than a 6505. When i tried out oranges and peaveys I tried a bunch of rockerverbs and the 6505 and 6505+. I bought a 6505. I'd say try out a JCA100.
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How about the new Peavey 6505+ 1x12 combo? It's had a great review in one of the mags this month...
Doesn't everything?
Very true, but the 6505 have a good rep overall.
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the 6505 and JCA 100 are very distantly related are they not? the 5150 was heavily based on the SLO 100 after EVH used an SLO for "for unlawful carnel knowledge" (some might say ripped off) except peavey did them cheaper.
The JCA is basically a chinese made (heavily under the supervision of mike soldanos partner and in one factory) SLO 100. He would not put his name to a product he wasn't happy with. When i bought my HR 50 from ebay it was an unusual configuration, a 212 combo. i thought they only made heads of that. in my naiveity i emailed him a link, said i was thinking of buying it and did they make this as a combo. The man replied.. told me it was the real deal and was generally very nice, he also replied to some tech questions about the amp. I bought it second hand an the man stood, personally, behind his product and answered all my dumb questions. And his amps sound incredible.
i would go for the JCA 100. if thats too poweful they do a JCA 50 combo and head. the amp sounds better than anything else for the money. tried one out in Guitar guitar in edinburgh a couple of weeks back. it was sitting in the high end amp room with the bogners and Mesa's. It stood up there with the best of them.
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the 6505/5150 and indeed the Dual Rec are indeed relatives of the SLO lead circuit. certainly not the only ones though
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It's a good budget to get a good amp. Obviously used you could get more value for money. Based on my experience with the Triamp MkII I can confirm that it's a great amp if you're after a jack of all trades and don't care much about character. It's a good work horse. Not for me in the end.
The RV50 I have tried was nice but IMO more a vintage or alternative rock amp and a bit too lose for a good chug.
In that budget you could get some cool stuff, like just to mention a few that come to mind:
-used Cornford Mk50H (I am seriously in love with mine, and it's the "better Soldano" IMO)
-used Splawn Quickrod or Nitro from the US
-Marshall DSL100 or JVM410 or 205 or a JCM800 or JMP that you could slam with a DS-1
-the rightly mentioned JCA100H or the newer JCA50H or the one modeled after the HR100+: JH100Plus or what
-Used Thunderverb50 (tighter and meaner than the RV50)
-Egnater Renegade or if you wait a bit - soon an Armageddon
-Indeed a used Rectifier, but try, they are hit and miss. I heard good things about the tremoverbs
and many many more ...
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thanks for the feedback hunter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2b0usUPTJs
that sound makes me crazy and going for the rockerverb. I'm not so into marshall amps nor mesa anymore even if I'm fond of the rectifier tone.
I'm gonna try out the orange baby tomorrow and will see what comes out from testing it in person. The triamp sounds wicked but like you say , alot of sounds to dial in, a tone factory but I'm more a two sounds man and rather like 2 good tones than 12 available under feet.
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Will tell what I've chosen and try to make decent demo for once (some miracle men coming for my esp eclipse and a nailbomb bridge for my gibson les paul :)).
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oh almost forgot: Mesa Mark series, especially III and IV, wicked for heavier stuff!
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How about the new Peavey 6505+ 1x12 combo? It's had a great review in one of the mags this month...
Doesn't everything?
Most stuff does. I think I would be pretty hacked off I bought a magazine and they had loads of sh!t in for review. I'd rather read about good stuff that I can't afford than sh!t stuff that I can afford!! :lol:
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I agree with Hunter that the Rockerverb has a more lose feel then say Mesa, but this amp has so much tone, growl and character. The Thunderverb (EL34), a good alternative, is tighter in the lowend.
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Well I tried the RV 50 and yes it has very much tone to it. A bit loose (still okay on a v30 cab) low end but still very huge palm muted sound with much character to it. Very fender like clean sound, reactive eq pots and reverb from the space.
I'm gonna pick it up next week.
(Hunter I still cant forgive myself for letting this used mark III for 800 euros that used to be on coda music in seconhand instruments part of the website... :()
Next step will be to find a good matching cab for this orange baby. Thats my main flaw in choosing an amp. I never take the cab into consideration nor the speakers but I'm getting aware those elements are a big part of tone and can really change an amp's voicing or help to tighten it up.
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Stay away from that Krank like the plague. Maybe look into Laney as well? I picked up a "broken" GH50L a few months back for $150 USD and I'm very surprised at what it can do. Very articulate and pinch harmonics really leap out of it with a glassy quality. I've made the final decision to go ahead and keep it, instead of making a profit like usual. They're usually found at great prices used and in good working order.
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Used to own a gh50l, not so impressed by the tone but it had real gain on tap and nice clean sounds. I kinda like the clean and crunch sounds on laney amps but they never give me the distortion tone I'm looking for.
As for krank the guy who sells it has a good known band in east of France and recorded stuff on it and its really dry and gritty. Gotta dig such tones to like it I think. I could not stand my diezel amp due to that for very long time so I guess a krank would not stay plugged a whole week with me. :P
Only shame for that orange is that those old MK I versions cant be retubed with other categories than the original 6v6 ones. the MK II can be fitted with 6550/KT 88 tubes but I guess a good tube amp tech' could fix that.
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Yes, Kranks can be dry.
What annoys me more about them is the total lack of customer support in Europe.
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70's Marshall JMP + mods