Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: MrBump on December 29, 2010, 09:06:09 AM
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As you may know, I post clips to YouTube now and then, as many of us do, to share guitars, tones, amps, pickups and effects with a wider audience.
And I got trolled, I think! Got a notification from some w@nker on my Trilogy noodle, the comment was something along the lines of "I'm sorry to say, but you are not a musician".
To$$er!!!
Ok, I'm no Yngwie Malmsteen (hardly even his little sister, Gertrude...), but there was no call for that.
So I was a man about it; I let it fester for a few days, then I replied "don't be sorry, just keep your opinions to yourself".
His rely was swift - "no I wont (sic) bar-steward".
At which point I blocked him.
I think that the BKP forum sometimes gives a false sense that the internet is a nicer place than it actually is.
:(
Must be brave. Must me brave...
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I've had it too mate, I replied asking for clips from them then it went quiet.
Best thing to do is to delete their comments and block them. They just want to cause trouble.
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These guys never seem to have clips of their own either!
Most folk apprecite the time youtube uploaders take to show their gear becuase the are usually very honest reviews of the gear in the clips.
I've just given you a thumbs up anyway (presuming you are playing a red strat in the vid.....)
The internet is breeding a whole generation who seem to be big men at their keyboard but probably wouldn't say boo to a goose in the real world. To$$er indeed!
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I've had it before. A particularly scathing one of my 'right hand technique' comes to mind. Unsurprisingly when I asked to see their videos and have some pointers on technique I got nothing in return!
As Tom has noted the internet makes it easy to be critical from a distance. Such a bad culture.
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I'd disregard it Mr Bump old buddy if I were you-it is still getting at you otherwise wouldn't have posted this. We will never know of his own abilities and if all he can do is insult you then his comments are hardly valid.Deleting them is a good thing. It is a shame that there are many who have never the heard the old maxim "if you have nothing good to say then say nothing" as my old ma used to say ( and we lived in a very quiet household).
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i got one recently from someone disagreeing with my technique for rolling fingerboard edges. it made me laugh because it showed a real lack of knowledge on their part.
i have a few thumbs down as well - i would rather have a comment!
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I had one too, kind of pissed me off for 2 days, didn't reply but noticed the person had no videos of their own.
They said I was playing triplets too, how is it triplets without a beat/accent?
Wez all your videos are great! Especially the tap tone one :D
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My favourite so far has probably been "it was good but you were fat" :lol: So rude.
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Actually outside of you guys, I swear the world is full of muppets sometimes.
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I'm a muppet.
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Thanks, guys - I'm over it now.
But I maintain, this is probably the best natured forum on the net!
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The internet is breeding a whole generation who seem to be big men at their keyboard but probably wouldn't say boo to a goose in the real world. To$$er indeed!
I dunno about that. People are pretty much the exact same as they ever were, just the internet gives an anonymous outlet for it now. Not so much that people were nicer in the past, but that we thought they were and had nothing to prove us wrong, whereas now we do...
But yeah I mean there's a lot of trolling on the internet, I wouldn't worry about it. :)
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Existing as I do in the extreme metal world, some of the stuff that gets said about my bands is hilarious, even more so my festivals, given they're so much higher profile. Lots and lots of vitriol about us on our own forums and on others, especially (hell, my festivals have had some pelters on here :lol:). We've never taken to deleting owt though, I figure people can say what they like, as irritating as it might be sometimes.
Never posted anything myself on youtube though, which I suppose might be a little more personal than a band I'm in or a festival I organise.
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Forget about it. Knowing full well that in the real world away from the computers that mummy and daddy bought them, they wouldn't dare say a thing to you. The computer makes them think they are some kind of internet warrior and they are significant.
The one thing I can't stand on Youtube is the comments people leave to videos of girls playing guitar. If the guitarist is good whether male or female then that's undeniable. But a girl guitarist who hasn't quite got a grasp on their technique or melody yet is still not 'omgz amzinz' just because she has boobies.
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I think it's worth avoiding the assumption that these people are automatically young. In many cases, especially those folks trolling guitar players on youtube, more so if the guitar players are playing certain types of music, I'd be willing to wager that they people sniping are older, bitter, failed musicians.
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I think it's worth avoiding the assumption that these people are automatically young. In many cases, especially those folks trolling guitar players on youtube, more so if the guitar players are playing certain types of music, I'd be willing to wager that they people sniping are older, bitter, failed musicians.
That's a point worth making. Chances are the majority of dickheads on youtube are teenagers just due to fact that the majority of youtubers are probably teenagers, but there's plenty of adults out there who are as bad if not worse. In fact thinking about it in all my years using internet forums there's only been a handful of genuine arseholes I've come across and they've all been quite a bit older than me.
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They are most likely all ages I don't think to$$ers have particular age group, what they all have in common is a total lack of consideration of peoples feelings! and little or no musical brain.
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That's a point worth making. Chances are the majority of dickheads on youtube are teenagers just due to fact that the majority of youtubers are probably teenagers, but there's plenty of adults out there who are as bad if not worse. In fact thinking about it in all my years using internet forums there's only been a handful of genuine arseholes I've come across and they've all been quite a bit older than me.
+1. Another point possibly worth making is that younger people trolling are possibly/probably just doing it for a bit of fun and don't really realise the harm they're doing. The older people doing it don't really have that excuse.
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Youtube is a podium for all players, not just pro's. It's a pity so many people comment in a nasty way. Just block them. Then they have some extra time to practice on their ukelele instead of irritating other people.
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'sticks & stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me'
well at least in theory , hny all
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Its not new and playing the guitar often brings out the worst in some people - I remember going to a guitar show in the 80s when I was about 14. I was quietly playing on a show guitar and some guy in his early 20s came up to me and said 'I'd give up now mate because you'll never be able to play'. Now although that guy was right, it cut my teenage ego bad and I pretty much gave up for 20 years after that. The morale being tell them to $%&# off and get on with doing what you like doing.
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Just about any YouTube video on any subject decends into a slanging match these days. There are so many trolls on there it's best to ignore negative posts. Some posters will stick up for the content even if it's not theirs too and give the negative posters an argument.
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I have joined a couple of new forums lately, and also made one of my own. Pretty much all of them are sound places, but I guess it might be because they are mostly to do with "niche" interests. You'll find that here we get no trolls, because the only people looking for a place like this are people like us: with something constructive and nice to say. Same with the miniature painting forums I have joined, they're all lovely, friendly folk, and even the arguments never even verge on getting rude, they are always civil to each other and respect where each person is coming from.
It's only really popular sites, like YouTube, Myspace etc where you get trolls, because it's easy to do in those places. The more people signed up to a site, the higher chance there is of a few bad eggs in the mix.
Just do what I do when someone makes a negative comment: laugh at how dull their life must be if they are exerting time and effort into leaving cr@ppy comments about people. It's obvious they are pube-less, socially deficient jizz-dispensers, so why waste the energy on fretting? :D
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I have joined a couple of new forums lately, and also made one of my own. Pretty much all of them are sound places, but I guess it might be because they are mostly to do with "niche" interests. You'll find that here we get no trolls, because the only people looking for a place like this are people like us: with something constructive and nice to say. Same with the miniature painting forums I have joined, they're all lovely, friendly folk, and even the arguments never even verge on getting rude, they are always civil to each other and respect where each person is coming from.
Amusingly, one of the best forum arguments I've ever seen was on a miniatures forum, people going bananas about what colour Ragnar Blackmane's hair shpould be :lol:
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One of the things I've taken to doing on my youTube videos is to make sure I thank anyone who leaves either a nice comment or asks a sensible question. No idea if it deters trolls but perhaps it has a pour encourager les autres effect. I have to admit that the thumbs downs I've received do hurt a bit even though I know it really doesn't matter. My vids can't be that bad can they? :)
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I saw a great video ages ago- a black and white video of a teenager playing his "music project" on an acoustic guitar.
It consisted of one note played constantly for about 3 minutes. There may have been about three bends spread throughout the entire piece.
Of course it instantly attracted negative comments, prompting an inspired reply in the video description:
"EDIT: I guess this is a bit too arty for some people."
Setting them off even more.
It is satisfying to troll the trolls.
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Just about any YouTube video on any subject decends into a slanging match these days. There are so many trolls on there it's best to ignore negative posts. Some posters will stick up for the content even if it's not theirs too and give the negative posters an argument.
Couldn't agree more. Furthermore most of the time they are just trying to get a rise out of you, by ignoring them you completely neuter their attempts.
I saw this film a couple of years back, well worth watching - even though it's looking at hecklers at comedy shows and film critics it's all very transferable to music, both in the real and virtual worlds:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903849/
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Amusingly, one of the best forum arguments I've ever seen was on a miniatures forum, people going bananas about what colour Ragnar Blackmane's hair shpould be :lol:
I had to look up who Ragnar Blackmane is. A quick google search and a look at some forums showed me that some people build their life around Warcraft.
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I've had it before. A particularly scathing one of my 'right hand technique' comes to mind. Unsurprisingly when I asked to see their videos and have some pointers on technique I got nothing in return!
I think you could count yourself lucky, there... they missed a trick :D
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Amusingly, one of the best forum arguments I've ever seen was on a miniatures forum, people going bananas about what colour Ragnar Blackmane's hair shpould be :lol:
I had to look up who Ragnar Blackmane is. A quick google search and a look at some forums showed me that some people build their life around Warcraft.
Warhammer. Deeply important difference there... :lol:
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im surprised warhammer hasn't come up on here before. who plays? fess up!
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i used to paint the miniatures - never was much of one for the games
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I've had it before. A particularly scathing one of my 'right hand technique' comes to mind. Unsurprisingly when I asked to see their videos and have some pointers on technique I got nothing in return!
I think you could count yourself lucky, there... they missed a trick :D
:D I imagine Afghan has a good right hand technique.
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Amusingly, one of the best forum arguments I've ever seen was on a miniatures forum, people going bananas about what colour Ragnar Blackmane's hair shpould be :lol:
I had to look up who Ragnar Blackmane is. A quick google search and a look at some forums showed me that some people build their life around Warcraft.
Warhammer. Deeply important difference there... :lol:
Oh - they're not the same thing then. Perhaps I should get on to one of the forums and ask which one is best :wink:
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im surprised warhammer hasn't come up on here before. who plays? fess up!
I think it did a few years back if memory serves. Used to play, but never had the patience for all the painting so found I couldn't really keep up the hobby. Shame really.
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my uncle was into it. i remember seeing his collection when i was pretty small. its a pretty expensive hobby i think.
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yeah i bought the starter set (ages ago), but I couldn't be annoyed with all the painting and sticking the wee models together. Also price wasn't helpful, too.
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Very expensive, yeah.
I've not played in about a decade really, probably a bit more. Around 2003 me and a couple mates bought stuff and started painting again but never got back into it and that fad died awful quick. I fancy taking it back up again now and again but the average age of players now seems to be in the low teens rather than late teens through to mid twenties like it used to be.
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i was very into the miniatures about twenty years ago, got quite a few, and used to get white dwarf every month. but i was more interested in rpg's than warhammer, and as white dwarf gradually became nothing more than a citadel miniatures catalogue, i drifted away from it. i still have my thrud the barbarian, chaos toilet and the warlock miniatures sitting around though :)
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i sold most of mine off on ebay a couple of years ago. i think i stopped when i was about 16 and tehy were in the parents loft after that... still got some pics - although they are a bit dusty:
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/ebay/HBEx.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/ebay/dd1.jpg)
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Warhammer eh? I liked playing but not painting...just actually sold all my minatures on Ebay for a nice wedge.
The GW shop in Chester --- i went in there to grab one of the Dan Abnet novels and i don't think the players in there were even BORN when i played it....and i mean i'm only 28 so possibly exagerating :lol:
"Squats you played? What are they? Dwarves in SPACE? No way!! Whats Space Crusade? Cool! Man o War? The rubbish band? etc"
As for youtube trolls -- i ignore them. In fact i pretty much am inactive on the net in general -- far too much hate and needless trolling. Musicians can be really bad and hurt peoples confidence (just like 'that guitar shop guy' we all know!) -- especially the bed room shredders who call current bands shitee etc -- they don't realise that it's one thing to be able to learn to COPY a song and something completely different to be able to WRITE a song that other people want to learn to play and listen to -- which is why the trolls are usually the copiers and not the artists 8)
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Ahhh, the old Ragnar Blackmane chestnut. *sigh* :D That one is still raging on is it? Hehe.
The newer metal models are going through a bit of a bad casting stage at the moment, I hope it's not a permanent thing. They keep sending out mini's that are pitted or some of the detail is lost, and they need a HELL of a cleaning-up before you can even think about undercoating. Quality has gone down-hill for sure since the good ol' Lead miniatures we used to poison ourselves with!
BTW, anyone has any metal models they can't shift because they're painted or whatever, let me know. :wink:
Back to the topic at hand (yeah, sorry for the unintended hijack back there, heh), I actually read through YouTube comments for fun sometimes. I just find it hilarious that a) some people out there are so bored that they will say things to get a reaction and b) there are people who STILL bite, even though Trolling has been around since the dawn of the internet!
Fun times, but if it happened on my personal vid, I'd have to delete some comments fo sho.