Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Muso on December 30, 2005, 12:24:52 PM
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Hi
basically I've had a Holy Diver for a while and not been that happy with it, anyway I swapped it over with a Seymour Duncan JB and I really prefered the sound of the JB. Anyway being English and proud I would like to stay with Bare Knuckle, so I was wondering is there a pickup which is almost identical to the JB?
Also I'm thinking of swapping my Irish Tours over for some trilogies as I want a higher output cleaner single coils, I play mostly fingerpicking stuff on the neck and middle.
Cheers!
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*MAJOR evils*
The Nailbomb is supposed the be the BKP equivilent of a JB.
Not speaking to you any more
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Just curious as to why you didnt get on with the Holy Diver?
I would have thought it would wipe the floor tonally with the JB.
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i got a JB at the moment.
there is a BKP called The Painkiller, going to be supposedly released sometime soon and its going into my custom rhoads, i'll be able to tell you about it when i have it.. so keep yer skirt on :D
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If I remember correctly you had the Holy diver in a strat? I would have thought it would have been too bright in one myself. The Holy Diver is ceramic based and wound with vintage wire so it is a compleatly different pickup to the JB. The Nailbomb is in the same ball park as the JB, but with out the nasty mid range honk. The Nailbomb is alnico V based the same as the JB too. Trilogy's will match up nicly with one too.
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so...you flogging the irish tours, then?.....
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i got a JB at the moment.
there is a BKP called The Painkiller, going to be supposedly released sometime soon and its going into my custom rhoads, i'll be able to tell you about it when i have it.. so keep yer skirt on :D
I asked directly from Tim about the PK:
"the PK is still very much in R&D stage but it's built around a large ceramic magnet and wound with modern polysol wire for quite an aggresive mid.I can't say how long it'll be but sometime in the first 1/2 of 06."
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i'd have thought a jb was too trebly in a strat too...
man, i hate the jb...
oh, well, personal preference and all i supp...YOU'RE WRONG! THE JB SUCKS!
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just kidding!
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The Nailbomb is in the same ball park as the JB, but with out the nasty mid range honk.
And that was one of the things that I didn't like about the JB (when I last tried one 10 years ago). But diff'rent strokes f'r diff'rent folks, and Musos got a JB in a strat (apparently) whereas I was listening to JB'd LPs. Still, the prototype Rebel Yell got compared to a JB too, and its descriptions from Ben and Phil suggested it was kind of midrangey. Maybe the RY would work for Muso's strat when it becomes more-or-less available?
(When I heard the SD Custom 5, it seemed to have more bottom end than I remembered in the JB, and that seemed more my thing though I was a student then and too broke to buy pickups. As the NB seems to have more low-end than the JB, maybe it's more in that Custom 5 zone?)
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Steve I dunno why I didn't get on well with the Holy Diver it just didn't have enough edge for me.
telemonster the irish tours and holy diver will be for sale.
By the way I read a while ago there was a new Holy diver out now, would this maybe be a contender for my new bridge humbucker?
So basically you guys are saying The Nailbomb? I thought this pickup was for really heavy distorsion? Man all these options and I only have enough money to buy 1 humbucker :(
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So basically you guys are saying The Nailbomb? I thought this pickup was for really heavy distorsion? Man all these options and I only have enough money to buy 1 humbucker :(
Tell me about it :)
Anyway, though I know DC ratings don't equate output, the NB's DC rating is only around 16.x to the Holydiver's 13.x -- shouldn't be outrageously different in terms of output? More a different tonal vibe and "EQ" balance, perhaps?
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Steve I dunno why I didn't get on well with the Holy Diver it just didn't have enough edge for me.
telemonster the irish tours and holy diver will be for sale.
By the way I read a while ago there was a new Holy diver out now, would this maybe be a contender for my new bridge humbucker?
So basically you guys are saying The Nailbomb? I thought this pickup was for really heavy distorsion? Man all these options and I only have enough money to buy 1 humbucker :(
Every one likes different things. I would go with a Nailbomb personally, It would have alot more edge and power than the holy diver.
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Would a crawler not be more suitable
The crawler also covers some of the JBs territory - the smooth end
It is kind of like a PAF on steroids
Gives a bit of an LP vibe to a bolt on neck guitar
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Would a crawler not be more suitable
The crawler also covers some of the JBs territory - the smooth end
It is kind of like a PAF on steroids
I always forget the Crawler! But again, a PAF sound (even on steroids), doesn't seem to me like it would be as midrangey as I remember the JB. I'm sure I remember Tim a few months back describing the Crawler and Abraxas as both being sort of "hot PAFs", but differently voiced. Could anyone say how the Crawler and Abraxas compare in terms of timbre/tone? But in any case, wouldn't a "hot PAF" have a different vibe than a "JBish" pickup?
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Hi Muso. Try matching the wood and guitar type with the pickup. I read on this forum that Steve Stevens went on to try the RY on many different guitars, until settling in for the RY-Les Paul match. I know I wanted to try my SGs to sound like something else, until I decided to try matching the wood with the correct pickup. Then everything sounded great. I am guessing that we may need to go deeper on the issue of wood/guitar match for a better tone. I wanted to have some RY on a strat but Tim told me about the sound being too bright. Greatings from the Birthplace of the Blues, and a great 2006 for everybody :)
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Try matching the wood and guitar type with the pickup.
AFAICR, the Crawler is voiced to work in either Gibbo or Strat type bodies. A number of users have said that the low-end kick in the NB helps beef up a Strat, if that's what one's looking to do. I'm sure I heard a players clip of someone with an Abraxas in a Strat, though that seems like a less obvious combination to me ....
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What value volume pot is in your guitar with that Holy Diver? - I'm assuming its 500k to work with a humbucker (?). If you need a brighter tone then you could always try a 1M pot or try raising/lowering the pickup while playing through the amp to get the height spot on.
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Interesting replies, thanks for showing an interest. About the whole wood matching with the pickup I ain't got a clue what wood it is. Its an old 80s heavy Metal Strat which was recently customised/upgraded by Feline Guitars.
What I'm basically saying is that I swapped the Holy Diver over with a Seymour Duncan JB and I prefer the sound. I'm just looking for buy the closest thing Bare Knuckle make to the JB. People are saying the nailbomb but from the description it totally doesnt sound like my type of pickup. I don't play with loads of distorsion, I need something tight, clear, edgey without too much output. Sound like Vito Bratta, Steve Stevens, George Lynch, basically 80s marshall metal :D In my opinion the JB seems to very versatile and not too harsh it could do with a little boost tho.
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I'd go for the Rebel Yell
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I'd go for the Rebel Yell
From his description above(Lynch,80's marshall tone) i would have to say the nailbomb.I had one in my floyd rose strat and it did it all.Great clean,awesome crunch and had a bottom end that really filled out a floyd rose strat.
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I'd go for the Rebel Yell
From his description above(Lynch,80's marshall tone) i would have to say the nailbomb.I had one in my floyd rose strat and it did it all.Great clean,awesome crunch and had a bottom end that really filled out a floyd rose strat.
I have a Nailbomb. It is fantastic, and it does do it all, and it does excel in 80's metal tones. still, after hearing those steve stevens clips, i think that anyone who wants pure 80's marshall metal should be going for a Rebel Yell
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Like Feline said, the Crawler can cover JB territory. The mids can get quite agressive.
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What Steve Steven's clips?Have i missed something?
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What Steve Steven's clips?Have i missed something?
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I don't play with loads of distorsion, I need something tight, clear, edgey without too much output. Sound like Vito Bratta, Steve Stevens, George Lynch, basically 80s marshall metal :D
You need a recommendation from Ben! :) What about the VHII? That's a pretty happening 80s metal pickup that shouldn't be overly hot. As for the Rebel Yell, I believe Steve Stevens has been testing the prototype in an LP; dunno whether its voicing would suit a strat-type body as well.
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Why not just keep the JB if you like it? It seems kinda weird to be changing out something if you are happy with its sound allready :?
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I'd say go for the Nailbomb. I've got a JB in my backup guitar and it sounds so muddy compared with the Nailbombs in my main guitar, in fact so much that I hate playing my backup guitar. If it helps my amp is a JCM800 and the Nailbomb is so much clearer.
I think the reason Tim recommended it to me is because I wanted a pickup versatile enough to play some indie stuff, but also be able to cope with Rammstein tones as well as AC/DC.
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If Tim said the Rebel Yell's would be too bright, then I would go with the Crawlers. The RY is the original sound of the JB, before the mid-range was boosted and all the definition vanished! The Nailbomb is a heavier pickup in my opinion.
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*MAJOR evils*
The Nailbomb is supposed the be the BKP equivilent of a JB.
Not speaking to you any more
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Strange.
I guess the NEW HolyDivers are the real sh...
I got rid of the JB's in my Jackson KingV-Korina. They just sounded boring and lifeless, clanky mids...
After some swapping, I just installed a pair of HD's (revised version with alnicoV's).
Now, this guitar really came alive. I've never been that happy with pickups doing it just "right" from first go. The HD's are fat and clear, woody and have a smoothness which I've not yet heard from other pups. On top, killer harmonics.
I use these for heavy rock, no fx's, just plugging straight into Soldano SLO's.
I guess these pups were MADE for this Jackson. 8)
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Sorry, wrong quote. It should have been the headliner :oops: .
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^FTLOG, trendkiller, i already have bad enough BK GAS without being told the HD is amazing as well! :lol:
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The HD's are fat and clear, woody and have a smoothness which I've not yet heard from other pups. On top, killer harmonics.
So bring on the sound clip for the Players section! :)
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I really would have done some clips, but I do not have the equipment to do it.
Sorry.....
Hmmm....if You listen to the first song on my bands homepage, the tone is "somewhat" similar. (LP-BadCat HC-100-412Marshall w/GB's).
But the HD's is still "fatter and smoother" in some way.
Btw, these HD's are installed into a neck-through Korina Jackson, which has kinda big warm tone to start with. This match was just "it".
Anyway, my next BKP's will be another new pair of HD's. :)
www.trendkillerweb.com
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I'm sold about a HD set on my mahogany-body Ibanez.
Probably a Rebell Yell for my alder-Washburn N2 (soon)