Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: JacksonRR on February 19, 2011, 02:17:18 AM
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Have you guys seen this thing yet? It uses a spring tension mechanism as a reference against your open notes. Also they claim you will achieve accurate intonation with it, but I can't find a vid where they play with a nice(or any) tuner.
Blues guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiaFiBAW1Ck&feature=related
Yanking on strings, listening for intonation guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oSNtOB9_l4&feature=related
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Not a lot of people would be willing to mess around with something like that.
Personally I quite like the look of the Super Vee Bladerunner trem. Might get one for my Strat.
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I have no need for such a device. A well made guitar that is setup correctly, stringed with guitar strings instead of banjo strings has no serious intonation problems.
In fact, perfect tuning and intonation can make you sound sterile. For example: pianos and harmonicas are deliberatelly tuned slightly off key. It gives depth to a chord.
Tuning stability is another problem I don't have. I tune once just before the show and check it halway through the night. It's usually just fine.
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It's certainly an interesting concept.
I like this clip, explains a bit more about what it actually does to the guitar (not sure why he didn't try replacing the tuners, though...!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g-1OYg7efY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g-1OYg7efY&feature=related)
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this 335 was no museum piece...she had a changed pickup some water damage and formerly had a bigsby her tuners were shot and she was not staying in tune rather than retire her or drill the headstock for new tuners, she got an amazing new lease on life.... and she wasnt hacked the evertune system was put in with great care and her original tuners were left untouched and the guitar looks and feels the same except for the new bridge... now she will be heard on records and on tv and films..
when he says things like that it makes me think he did not really look into all his options before committing to this massively radical change
i do think its an interesting system though
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I could see it being cool for new-production guitars, but they need to do some aesthetic redesigning - its butt ugly.
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this 335 was no museum piece...she had a changed pickup some water damage and formerly had a bigsby her tuners were shot and she was not staying in tune rather than retire her or drill the headstock for new tuners, she got an amazing new lease on life.... and she wasnt hacked the evertune system was put in with great care and her original tuners were left untouched and the guitar looks and feels the same except for the new bridge... now she will be heard on records and on tv and films..
when he says things like that it makes me think he did not really look into all his options before committing to this massively radical change
i do think its an interesting system though
Agreed.
He could have solved the problems with a set of vintage acurate waverly replacement tuners and a new nut. Maybe the Bigsby was worn out too. Just replace the spring and bearings. Add a refret and it would be a fine and original instrument. Now it's a hacked up mongrel.
Later the guy says the system compensates for his technique....................interesting....
Edit: Check this out: intonation with a non adjustable bridge checked with a strobe tuner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mrha86ZCi8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mrha86ZCi8)
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Have you guys seen this thing yet? It uses a spring tension mechanism as a reference against your open notes. Also they claim you will achieve accurate intonation with it, but I can't find a vid where they play with a nice(or any) tuner.
Blues guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiaFiBAW1Ck&feature=related
They could have done with a guy demoing it whose playing wasn't such a mess! :lol:
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I bet it feels a bit weird when you bend the strings if it starts compensating for the change in tension.
I presume you have to bend them further?
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I bet it feels a bit weird when you bend the strings if it starts compensating for the change in tension.
I presume you have to bend them further?
It does look like that's the case, looking at 'blues guy's' clip.
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I bet it feels a bit weird when you bend the strings if it starts compensating for the change in tension.
I presume you have to bend them further?
no, bends feel the same.
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I bet it feels a bit weird when you bend the strings if it starts compensating for the change in tension.
I presume you have to bend them further?
no, bends feel the same.
So you have an Evertune bridge?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arH964mp5sQ&feature=related
Here's a vid that shows how to set it up to play bends. I think what they're doing is bringing the automatic spring adjustment to a certain threshold where bends aren't "fixed" as quickly. On the other vids, it still seems as if bending was not all there, like there was a delay on the start and then the top end had a "wobble." I've yet to see a real slow bend done with it though. I'm not sure that would make people want to pay over $300 USD for the unit and then send their guitar off to "some dude" as you can't just buy the thing. Cost of the unit does not include installation. I'm thinking this company is going down, down, down.
Also, I don't like Les Pauls(I know, I know, I'm sorry), but I feel bad for it having to wear that bridge. It just doesn't look right. I'm sure this bridge could look good on a number of axes, but it really doesn't suit that guitar at all.
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I've watched all these videos, and looked at the Evertune website. I think I get what the system is doing mechanically to keep the strings in tune, and I certainly accept that in-demand session musicians need an instrument that stays in tune and has good intonation all over the neck. With all that said, I still feel incredibly dense, because I can't see what problem this thing is supposed to be fixing.
I'm an average ham-fisted amateur guitarist who's read a book on guitar setups and learned by trial and error how to set intonation, action and so on; none of my guitars are top-of-the-range hand-crafted professional-grade instruments, or have been attended to by top guitar techs to get them in perfect order. And yet I don't own a single guitar that needs to be retuned once the strings are stretched in. I can open one of the gig bags or cases in my cupboard now and take out a guitar I haven't played for a month and I know it will be in tune. I know this because none of them have broken tuners or worn-out bridge saddles or badly-cut nuts. If they did, it would be a cheap and easy fix to buy new machineheads or get the nut replaced by somebody who knows what they're doing. How am I missing the point of this bridge so badly? Can anyone help?
Is it really so rare to know how to set up a guitar in tune and string it properly so the tuning doesn't slip, and if so, why is a complex and counter-intuitive spring tensioning bridge system the answer, instead of learning how to set up a guitar in tune and string it properly? Not a guitar luddite, just genuinely mystified by the problem that Evertune purports to solve.
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A guitar is NEVER perfectly in tune throughout the entire neck.
Certain chords and inversions up the neck will not be in tune even when the guitar is perfectly intonated and in tune at the nut.
I can't hear it but it drives people with great pitch nuts.
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Such are the limitations of frets.
I don't consider it a massive problem, though, in day to day playing it's not so bad, but what the chap with the 335 was saying is true, if you're layering lots of parts in different positions things do start to get a bit horrible without constant retuning to suit.
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Such are the limitations of frets.
I don't consider it a massive problem, though, in day to day playing it's not so bad, but what the chap with the 335 was saying is true, if you're layering lots of parts in different positions things do start to get a bit horrible without constant retuning to suit.
Fair enough, but as you say that's a problem with the physical properties of a guitar; surely the Evertune wouldn't fix that? I know that plenty of people use things like the Buzz Feiten system, the Earvana nut or various "wobbly fret" systems to improve the compromised temperament of the fretboard, but I don't see how an auto-tuning bridge could compensate for intonation in other fret positions unless you reset it for tension while you barre a chord in that position, and then you're back to the problem of retuning for layering parts.
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I've not read owt about this system and only looked at the first couple videos, so I've no idea how effectively it addresses the issues in higher registers, but the chap with the 335 seems to think it solves them. Whereas the various bent frets, earvana and Buzz Feiten solutions have no effect.
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I watched the videos and read the web site. They don't really tell you the whole deal on how it works but from the images and description I seems to be 6 individual springs, each spring is connected to a single saddle. Imagine a one string Floyd rose bridge six times. There's no trem bar because you'd have to rock the entire bridge/springs to make that work.
Other than not having a wammy it looks like a good system with lots of easy adjustment. I have no idea why you would put it on a Tele as nobody ever picked up a Tele and expected perfect intonation. If you do put this on a Tele it won't sound like a Tele anymore. (at least not a 3 saddle bridge) It just seems a very odd combination to me. Springs on a Tele???
One of the videos shows the back of a 22 fret Strat Deluxe. It looks to me like the spring cavity was routed a lot wider to accommodate the six springs and the replacement for the spring claw is also rather huge and is fastened with large screws. I have serious reservations about this system. This would cause problems on many strats that I have worked on or seen. The front to back routing of the Strats I've seen tends to be less than perfectly accurate and there is a likelihood of cutting through a void. Also thinning the area around the bridge mounting points IS likely to change the sound of the guitar. There's just not enough extra wood on the average Strat for 100% success (on most Strats that were made with factory trems).
If somebody wanted to try this I'd say start with hardtail body. Of course you have to think about what is changed when you put springs on a fixed bridge guitar and still have no wammy.
I'm going to go with the other posters above that said if you have an annoying intonation or tuning problem you'd be better off starting with the traditional approaches like working on the nut, bridge, frets, tuners, neck first before embarking on the invasive one way procedure installing this bridge. (and still have the original problems)