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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Frank on April 02, 2011, 12:06:51 AM

Title: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Frank on April 02, 2011, 12:06:51 AM
http://www.fender.com/en-GB/products/pawnshop

If anyone needs me I'll be downstairs locking my credit card in a safe and throwing away the key.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Jonny on April 02, 2011, 12:20:04 AM
Gibson need to take a leaf out of Fender's book. So far they're lighting fires to burn their own, but jumping in the fire instead.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Dmoney on April 02, 2011, 12:28:29 AM
Gibson need to take a leaf out of Fender's book. So far they're lighting fires to burn their own, but jumping in the fire instead.

+1
Fender have got it right! That Mustang is Awesome! Get Tim to rewire the pups to nailbombs and it would be a beast!!!!!
Fender really do seem on the ball when it come to the last bunch of stuff they've put out. Unless im forgetting something?
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Frank on April 02, 2011, 12:32:01 AM
I'll take the black and white '51 please. Crawler in the bridge.

267 days to christmas!
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Telerocker on April 02, 2011, 12:38:07 AM
Nice guitars. A sonic blue mustan for me, with a BD or a HD.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: WezV on April 02, 2011, 12:38:28 AM
i would be buying a mustang special if only they made it with a proper scale length!


love the 51 and even 72 (i.e. 51 but hollow with big pickup)

indeed - the right track but make some guitars in cool shapes that us proper sized fellas can play!  not every grunge guitarist is 5' nothing!  i.e.  i want a mustang special, its almost like exactly what i want from fender - apart from that little short neck!
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Philly Q on April 02, 2011, 01:36:17 AM
I like all three, but especially the '51 (a two-tone sunburst would've been nice, but I'll settle for blonde).

Do we know where these are made?  Mexico I'm guessing?
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: shaman on April 02, 2011, 02:45:28 AM
oooh..the '51....DAMN!me like!
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: hunter on April 02, 2011, 09:09:18 AM
needs a different headstock  :D

Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: James C on April 02, 2011, 09:18:19 AM
needs a different headstock  :D



Scallop the frets, add a HD and Trilogy and i'll buy it!
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Philly Q on April 02, 2011, 10:20:25 AM
needs a different headstock  :D

Oh, no!  I love the look of the Tele headstock and the mix of Strat/Tele/Precision features.

I might be tempted to make one mod though, a covered bridge pickup would look more vintage.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: HTH AMPS on April 02, 2011, 11:02:53 AM
the Mustang Special looks nice, but those Wide Range humbuckers are cr@p.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Philly Q on April 02, 2011, 11:08:05 AM
I don't think they are Wide Range pickups on that guitar, they're Fender Enforcer humbuckers (which may also be cr@p!  :wink: ) in WR style (but normal sized) covers.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Ratrod on April 02, 2011, 11:55:24 AM
I'll take that Mustang Special. I actually like the shorter scale C profile neck.

I would give the stock pickups a fair chance but I think I'd rather have more vintage correct wide range humbuckers in that.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Andrew W on April 02, 2011, 12:52:32 PM
I do really like those but I can't help but think that the Telemaster (or whatever Hobby Lobby insist you call it these days) is the best of the guitars that never were. That combination seems so right to me and I'm a bit surprised that Fender haven't mass produced them. Of those new models I think the Mustang and the '51 work best but the Mustang scale length would probably be a deal breaker for me. Again Fender really do seem to have their heads screwed on- trying something that respects their heritage, tries something a little different, will sell and is priced right.

Edit: To correct name of idiotic trademark enforcers
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: _tom_ on April 02, 2011, 12:54:33 PM
I think they look terrible! The big pickguard just looks really cheap to me.

edit - the '51 that is, I quite like that Mustang Special :)
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Elliot on April 02, 2011, 02:29:08 PM
I think they look terrible!

There is always at least one Gibson fundamentalist who comes in to spoil the party  :P :D

Personally, I think Fender's designs lend themselves better to to this sort of thing than Gibsons - even the Gibson 'shapes', which should be malleable to modification, look like abominations, but the the Fenders, somehow, do not.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Frank on April 02, 2011, 03:14:16 PM
Is this better? Or worse?
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: shobet on April 02, 2011, 03:29:36 PM
Is this better? Or worse?

Actually, I quite like that, but I think it needs more knobbers.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Frank on April 02, 2011, 03:30:55 PM
Is this better? Or worse?

Actually, I quite like that, but I think it needs more knobbers.

I know! I kinda made it as a joke then realised it looks fairly funky. I should work for Gibson :(
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: 38thBeatle on April 02, 2011, 03:37:48 PM
I like them- Fender do seem to have got themselves together well and exploit their heritage. Gibson would do well to imitate.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: HTH AMPS on April 02, 2011, 03:58:28 PM
Is this better? Or worse?

I've seen worse in actual production, its not bad.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Philly Q on April 03, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
Is this better? Or worse?

Actually, I quite like that, but I think it needs more knobbers.

I know! I kinda made it as a joke then realised it looks fairly funky. I should work for Gibson :(


Get it patented quick, Gibson are building prototypes as we speak....

(Then again they'll only sell a handful so it's not as if you'd make any money from it!)
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: dave_mc on April 03, 2011, 05:33:43 PM
so these aren't april fools' then? I was a bit wary when I saw they were released on april 1st... :lol:
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: gwEm on April 03, 2011, 06:18:27 PM
Is this better? Or worse?

=D
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Frank on April 04, 2011, 12:41:55 AM
so these aren't april fools' then? I was a bit wary when I saw they were released on april 1st... :lol:

Well the web page is still there. And I suspect there'd be uproar if Fender promised these then didn't deliver.

This has made me revisit one of my all time favourite messageboard threads of all time, the Squier 51 modders' forum. A wonderful mix of outlandish horrorbags and truly individual design classics.

http://www.instituteofnoise.com/squier51/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5263
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: gwEm on April 04, 2011, 08:45:03 AM
so these aren't april fools' then? I was a bit wary when I saw they were released on april 1st... :lol:

Well the web page is still there. And I suspect there'd be uproar if Fender promised these then didn't deliver.

This has made me revisit one of my all time favourite messageboard threads of all time, the Squier 51 modders' forum. A wonderful mix of outlandish horrorbags and truly individual design classics.

http://www.instituteofnoise.com/squier51/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5263

good link
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: HTH AMPS on April 04, 2011, 12:15:10 PM
so these aren't april fools' then? I was a bit wary when I saw they were released on april 1st... :lol:

Well the web page is still there. And I suspect there'd be uproar if Fender promised these then didn't deliver.

This has made me revisit one of my all time favourite messageboard threads of all time, the Squier 51 modders' forum. A wonderful mix of outlandish horrorbags and truly individual design classics.

http://www.instituteofnoise.com/squier51/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5263

I liked these two...

(http://www.instituteofnoise.com/squier51/gallery/2509062224.jpg)

(http://www.instituteofnoise.com/squier51/gallery/spa0301uy1.jpg)

Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: bucketshred on April 04, 2011, 12:21:12 PM
I love all of these designs but I've come to the realisation that I just DONT LIKE Fenders. They're too light and the necks are too skinny.

I'll go buy a Gretsch.

Paddy
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Frank on April 04, 2011, 12:27:53 PM
I liked the shell pink one ... and the one with the flower inlay on the neck

BUT I FANCY GIRLS, REALLY I DO
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Philly Q on April 04, 2011, 12:51:13 PM
[This has made me revisit one of my all time favourite messageboard threads of all time, the Squier 51 modders' forum. A wonderful mix of outlandish horrorbags and truly individual design classics.

http://www.instituteofnoise.com/squier51/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5263

Fascinating thread, but credit to Fender, I don't think many of those improve very much on the basic '51 design. 

I quite like the ones where they've used three Tele saddles instead of six individual saddles, that seems to suit the guitar.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Frank on April 04, 2011, 01:07:38 PM
I don't think many of those improve very much on the basic '51 design. 

The big improvement is where they've added string-through-body loading instead of the Squier's horrible top-loading cheapo bridge. Looks like the new Fenders already have this. I'm running out of reasons not to buy one.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Philly Q on April 04, 2011, 02:51:30 PM
I don't think many of those improve very much on the basic '51 design. 

The big improvement is where they've added string-through-body loading instead of the Squier's horrible top-loading cheapo bridge. Looks like the new Fenders already have this. I'm running out of reasons not to buy one.

Ah, good point!  I'd completely forgotten the Squiers had top-loading bridges.

Someone had two of them for sale on eBay last week, I was quite tempted (but that was before I knew about the Fender version, so glad I didn't bother).
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Loomer on April 04, 2011, 02:58:12 PM
I do really like those but I can't help but think that the Telemaster (or whatever Hobby Craft insist you call it these days) is the best of the guitars that never were.

I just went and googled that.

I have a massive erection right now.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Andrew W on April 04, 2011, 11:03:36 PM
I do really like those but I can't help but think that the Telemaster (or whatever Hobby Craft insist you call it these days) is the best of the guitars that never were.

I just went and googled that.

I have a massive erection right now.
Don't look at this (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22363.0) or this (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19370.0) then. ;)
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Loomer on April 04, 2011, 11:17:21 PM
Oh god damn you. Damn you to hell.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Philly Q on April 04, 2011, 11:27:17 PM
I think the Telemaster is an absolutely awesome looking design, I was blown away when I first saw the range of '50s and '60s styled Telemasters the Fender Custom Shop had made for some American guitar store.

I was very keen to try building one, but the more I've thought about it the only thing which has put me off a little - and it's an entirely personal thing - is that a Jazzmaster body is pretty big, and I'm a small chap.  The '51 is probably a better fit for me.

(http://www.makenmusic.com/productImg/Telemaster_FrontFull.jpg)
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Andrew W on April 04, 2011, 11:51:33 PM
I think the Telemaster is an absolutely awesome looking design, I was blown away when I first saw the range of '50s and '60s styled Telemasters the Fender Custom Shop had made for some American guitar store.

I was very keen to try building one, but the more I've thought about it the only thing which has put me off a little - and it's an entirely personal thing - is that a Jazzmaster body is pretty big, and I'm a small chap.  The '51 is probably a better fit for me.

Well the only thing I'll say is that for me it's the weight that's key. Telemaster #1 I built is not a bad guitar but the Xaviere body is just so heavy I can only use it with a broad strap. #2, the recently completed one, weighs in at about 8lbs which feels great, the body is really ergonomic so it just fits around you. Consequently it's the new one that gets all the attention.

Maybe try a Jazzmaster and see if it's as comfy for you?
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Telerocker on April 04, 2011, 11:52:49 PM
Actually. I like this one.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Philly Q on April 04, 2011, 11:57:06 PM
Well the only thing I'll say is that for me it's the weight that's key. Telemaster #1 I built is not a bad guitar but the Xaviere body is just so heavy I can only use it with a broad strap. #2, the recently completed one, weighs in at about 8lbs which feels great, the body is really ergonomic so it just fits around you. Consequently it's the new one that gets all the attention.

Maybe try a Jazzmaster and see if it's as comfy for you?

Even 8lbs is a bit heavy for me, it's manageable but most of my guitars are 7lbs or under!  :lol:

But you're right, I should try a couple of Jazzmasters.  I did have a go on Twinfan's Jazzmaster-based Fano JM6, which I liked a lot, but don't think I tried it on a strap.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Andrew W on April 05, 2011, 12:01:43 AM
Well the only thing I'll say is that for me it's the weight that's key. Telemaster #1 I built is not a bad guitar but the Xaviere body is just so heavy I can only use it with a broad strap. #2, the recently completed one, weighs in at about 8lbs which feels great, the body is really ergonomic so it just fits around you. Consequently it's the new one that gets all the attention.

Maybe try a Jazzmaster and see if it's as comfy for you?

Even 8lbs is a bit heavy for me, it's manageable but most of my guitars are 7lbs or under!  :lol:

But you're right, I should try a couple of Jazzmasters.  I did have a go on Twinfan's Jazzmaster-based Fano JM6, which I liked a lot, but don't think I tried it on a strap.
Well mine's 8lbs but there's a humbucker, 2 single coils, quite a lot of electrics and 4 pots which isn't going to help. I reckon if you chose the body carefully and went a bit more Esquire, 7lbs should be possible.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Frank on April 05, 2011, 06:46:20 AM
There's always this (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21019.0) remember
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: WezV on April 05, 2011, 11:36:46 AM
There's always this (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=21019.0) remember

going to be getting a distressed aluminium guard this week which i think will tie it all together nicely.  and i am selling of the wide range :(
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: gwEm on April 05, 2011, 11:41:57 AM
those telemasters need a CBS headstock. (Tele Deluxe neck I guess)
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: gwEm on April 05, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
here are my fender mix-and-matches:

stratele
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19285.0

superjazzmaster
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15515.0

i also have a Cyclone with a BKP Boss in the bridge.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Andrew W on April 05, 2011, 12:03:58 PM
those telemasters need a CBS headstock. (Tele Deluxe neck I guess)
La la la, still can't hear you.  

Seriously though, I think they'd look fine with either headstock but there's something pleasingly aerodynamic about the regular Tele headstock that I like here. Oh and I love the Superjazzmaster, that's a way cool guitar.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Lukie on April 14, 2011, 11:55:43 PM
That mustang is nice, would really consider getting one if they ever make it left handed.
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Loomer on April 15, 2011, 10:46:49 AM
here are my fender mix-and-matches:

stratele
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19285.0

superjazzmaster
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15515.0

i also have a Cyclone with a BKP Boss in the bridge.

CRIKEY!!
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Philly Q on July 06, 2011, 11:46:24 AM
Apologies for bringing an old thread back from the dead, but I just wondered if anyone has bought one of the Fender Pawn Shop models yet?

I've been reading reviews and I must admit I'm now starting to get GAS for the Mustang Special.  The pickups are pretty terrible apparently.... but pickups can be rewound!  :wink:
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Telerocker on July 06, 2011, 12:38:09 PM
They look very nice, but need BKP'd for sure. :)
Title: Re: EXTREME Fender GAS - and the return of the '51
Post by: Sollophonic on July 07, 2011, 10:36:09 AM
I don't think many of those improve very much on the basic '51 design. 

The big improvement is where they've added string-through-body loading instead of the Squier's horrible top-loading cheapo bridge. Looks like the new Fenders already have this. I'm running out of reasons not to buy one.

Ah, good point!  I'd completely forgotten the Squiers had top-loading bridges.

The Squier 51 bridge is easy to change out or turn into a three saddle arrangement, which makes quite a dramatic difference.

True the stock 51 bridge is not good, as the strings pass both under and over the saddles, but there are simple replacements. And simple mods you can do too.

Someone had two of them for sale on eBay last week, I was quite tempted (but that was before I knew about the Fender version, so glad I didn't bother).