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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: nfe on April 27, 2011, 12:14:26 AM
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High calibre trolling from NME readers. And top flight street teaming from BMTH fans.
http://www.nme.com/photos/20-greatest-metal-albums-ever-as-voted-by-you/212959/1/1#20
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hahahaha
I mean I'm no fan of pigeonholing, but how many of those bands are even metal? AC/DC? Guns 'n' Roses?
:lol:
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time are definitely changing..
no megadeth...no anthrax....no sepultura.....no real list..... :lol:
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time are definitely changing..
They are! When I started buying music papers (as they were then) in the late '70s/early '80s, NME didn't feature metal bands at all, it was like they denied the existence of the entire genre. For them, the NWOBHM never happened. Now they have a 20 greatest metal albums feature - with a very strange result. :? :lol:
So is that BMTH album any good, by the way?
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this is an odd list. it cites the usual ''best'' metal albums, but anything that's remotely modern is so not metal it's not funny.
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So is that BMTH album any good, by the way?
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I personally don't think they're anything to write home about...
If I had to pick a newish band I enjoy..I think I would pick Bonded By Blood. They are a Exodus knock-off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShtuB1rq6Tk
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They're terrible.
And NME, at least to me, have never been a decent source of music info.
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I personally listen to all those bands apart from Slayer. The BMTH is alright but it isn't brilliant.
And I dislike how lists always combine classic albums from way back that started it all, to modern day metal kids prancing in mosh pits.
Seriously. If anything it annoys me. A lot.
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time are definitely changing..
no megadeth...no anthrax....no sepultura.....no real list..... :lol:
times are not changing, the NME doesn't know metal and they never have, this should have never had any publicity. By having BMTH and avenged sevenfold in the top 20 I imagine they're current readership is 14-20 years old. With the presence of acdc, gnr, ratm in a 'metal' list, they're either trying to unify metal with classic rock through laziness so they don't have to write about it too much or their readership is seriously intellectually challenged. I imagine it's a bit of both.
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this is an odd list. it cites the usual ''best'' metal albums, but anything that's remotely modern is so not metal it's not funny.
The modern stuff on it absolutely is metal. Whether it's any good is a totally different matter, but they're certainly metal records.
time are definitely changing..
no megadeth...no anthrax....no sepultura.....no real list..... :lol:
times are not changing, the NME doesn't know metal and they never have, this should have never had any publicity. By having BMTH and avenged sevenfold in the top 20 I imagine they're current readership is 14-20 years old. With the presence of acdc, gnr, ratm in a 'metal' list, they're either trying to unify metal with classic rock through laziness so they don't have to write about it too much or their readership is seriously intellectually challenged. I imagine it's a bit of both.
It's not really about the NME knowing metal is it? It's an online vote. I think it's lot to got little to do with what NME readers for the most part either though I think they'll have mostly been voting for the likes of Metallica and the more "classic" entries, the high placed new stuff is down to street teaming mass online votes, I'd have thought, rather than their readersip.
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time are definitely changing..
no megadeth...no anthrax....no sepultura.....no real list..... :lol:
times are not changing, the NME doesn't know metal and they never have, this should have never had any publicity. By having BMTH and avenged sevenfold in the top 20 I imagine they're current readership is 14-20 years old. With the presence of acdc, gnr, ratm in a 'metal' list, they're either trying to unify metal with classic rock through laziness so they don't have to write about it too much or their readership is seriously intellectually challenged. I imagine it's a bit of both.
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I was wondering from the start why NME would do a poll on metal, they've always been an indie-rock mag for as long as I can remember.
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What kind of retarded cr@p is that??????
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Cool
A poll voted for by aging rockers, actual metallers and clueless parent hating middle class door slamming spoiled little shiteeeeees in a 1:1:2 ratio. Roughly. time are definitely changing..
no megadeth...no anthrax....no sepultura.....no real list..... :lol:
times are not changing, the NME doesn't know metal and they never have, this should have never had any publicity. By having BMTH and avenged sevenfold in the top 20 I imagine they're current readership is 14-20 years old. With the presence of acdc, gnr, ratm in a 'metal' list, they're either trying to unify metal with classic rock through laziness so they don't have to write about it too much or their readership is seriously intellectually challenged. I imagine it's a bit of both.
Youre overcomplcating things.
NME reader buys magazine that advertises poll for best metal albums. Reader is nominally a sensible metal fan and votes for metallica.
NME readers dad finds magazine, votes for ACDC
NME readers son find magazine, vote for Avenged sevenfold.
Metal Dad tells his dad "thats great but its not metal", his dad shrugs, says "sounds like metal to me". Metal dad tells his son "Thats metal, I suppose, but its $%&#ing shite" and he should get some proper metal herataige. Son yells that he hates his dad, slams the door, runs to his room and whines on facebook to all his mates, telling them to vote for their favourite bands, which are assuredly shite, as seen in the poll. One of said friends is not otherwise occupied complaining about his parents/school/ineptitude with girls, slamming doors or bemoaning the injustices and suffering of middle class suburban life to vote.
Hence the approximately 1:1:2 ratio of actually good metal to good but not metal to metal but anything but good.
Thats exactly how it happened.
But with slightly different bands each time.
Believe.
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You hit the nail on the head
I think if BMTH were from America and not Sheffield then that album would have disappeared due to the over saturated supply of never heard American metalcore bands signed to never heard of labels
With metalcore just being an Americanised version of Swedish melodic death metal which is much better in my opinion or was 10 years ago because I'm always right... apart from when I'm wrong ;)
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I really annoy myself with this but I do have some time for BMTH. I don't like them musically but I was at some of their very very first shows and I remember everybody they played to hating them sometimes. They got treated like a joke and took some major flak for a long time off a bunch of people which might have ended other bands. Hair extensions falling out mid set etc. They stuck at it for a long time and that has meant that some DIY british labels have benefited that went on to put out some music I like. After going to Visible Noise, I got told recently that they never got a penny from UK record sales off Visible Noise, and that they are stuck in a pretty terrible contract although they get royalties from elsewhere. They take some good bands on the road (like The Break In when they existed) and help them out while on the tour with gear and so on. whatever you think about the music... i probably agree with you, but they have worked hard i think and I don't think they are the A-Holes that some people think.
but then again... i might be wrong. ha
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NME reader buys magazine that advertises poll for best metal albums. Reader is nominally a sensible metal fan and votes for metallica.
NME readers dad finds magazine, votes for ACDC
NME readers son find magazine, vote for Avenged sevenfold.
Metal Dad tells his dad "thats great but its not metal", his dad shrugs, says "sounds like metal to me". Metal dad tells his son "Thats metal, I suppose, but its $%&#ing shitee" and he should get some proper metal herataige. Son yells that he hates his dad, slams the door, runs to his room and whines on facebook to all his mates, telling them to vote for their favourite bands, which are assuredly shitee, as seen in the poll. One of said friends is not otherwise occupied complaining about his parents/school/ineptitude with girls, slamming doors or bemoaning the injustices and suffering of middle class suburban life to vote.
Hence the approximately 1:1:2 ratio of actually good metal to good but not metal to metal but anything but good.
Thats exactly how it happened.
But with slightly different bands each time.
Believe.
I think that makes pretty much perfect sense. :lol:
At least until the next hypothesis comes along.
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NME reader buys magazine that advertises poll for best metal albums. Reader is nominally a sensible metal fan and votes for metallica.
NME readers dad finds magazine, votes for ACDC
NME readers son find magazine, vote for Avenged sevenfold.
Metal Dad tells his dad "thats great but its not metal", his dad shrugs, says "sounds like metal to me". Metal dad tells his son "Thats metal, I suppose, but its $%&#ing shitee" and he should get some proper metal herataige. Son yells that he hates his dad, slams the door, runs to his room and whines on facebook to all his mates, telling them to vote for their favourite bands, which are assuredly shitee, as seen in the poll. One of said friends is not otherwise occupied complaining about his parents/school/ineptitude with girls, slamming doors or bemoaning the injustices and suffering of middle class suburban life to vote.
Hence the approximately 1:1:2 ratio of actually good metal to good but not metal to metal but anything but good.
LOL
I do get annoyed when bands I liked that were called Heavy Metal when I liked them are now NOT allowed to be called Heavy Metal. Sure there are newer and contemporary bands that have taken that genre somewhere else, but Sabbath, Metallica etc etc are still heavy metal
To be fair most of what I liked I preferred to call rock or hard rock
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I think people wrongly associate 'heavy' with down tuned bass boost chug.
In my opinion, heavy is not about the percentage of distortion being directly proportional to the amount of chug.
A heavy riff is a heavy riff regardless. Sabbath will always be heavy.
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I do get annoyed when bands I liked that were called Heavy Metal when I liked them are now NOT allowed to be called Heavy Metal. Sure there are newer and contemporary bands that have taken that genre somewhere else, but Sabbath, Metallica etc etc are still heavy metal
To be fair most of what I liked I preferred to call rock or hard rock
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I remember the terms "Heavy Rock" and "Hard Rock" as being essentially from the '70s, then sometime in the early '80s (following the NWOBHM, launch of Kerrang! etc) "Metal" became the blanket term. And that did include AC/DC, Gn'R, even Def Leppard! I don't remember even hearing the term "Classic Rock" until many years later.
No-one would say those bands were actually "Heavy Metal" bands as such (unlike Black Sabbath, Judas Priest etc). But they did fall under the "Metal" umbrella. And I don't see why they shouldn't be included in this NME chart just because the terminology's been redefined (oh so many times :roll: ) since.
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I remember the terms "Heavy Rock" and "Hard Rock" as being essentially from the '70s, then sometime in the early '80s (following the NWOBHM, launch of Kerrang! etc) "Metal" became the blanket term. And that did include AC/DC, Gn'R, even Def Leppard! I don't remember even hearing the term "Classic Rock" until many years later.
You didn't hear "classic Rock" till after 2000, or maybe when classic rock magazine launched
It was all post grunge and Nu - metal and journos started to refer to the previos waves (60s,70s and 80s as classic)
But you are right - even Bon Jovi etc got called Heavy Metal and featured on Headbangers Ball
Back then (1980) the only bands that were really heavy (or unlistenable depending on your point of view ) were the likes of Venom and Motorhead until in about 1983 we started to hear of bands like Metallica, Anthrax etc and they got called Thrash Metal.
And all those 80s bands with spandex pants, pointy guitars and big hair (like Poison, Motley, Ratt, WASP, and even Skid Row) tended to get called "glam rock" (an echo from the 70s) - it was only really about 1989/90 as Grunge was coming in that the term "Hair Metal tended to get used and by that time it was getting phased out.
And you didn't have "vintage electric guitars" until the mid 80s either - you just tended to have a pre-CBS strat or a 59 Les Paul
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And you didn't have "vintage electric guitars" until the mid 80s either - you just tended to have a pre-CBS strat or a 59 Les Paul
That's true, I never thought of that before! :lol:
I don't actually remember the term "vintage" becoming common parlance, it just sort of sneaked up on us and it feels like it's always been there.
I grew up with the "received wisdom" that only pre-CBS Fenders were any good. And '50s and '60s Gibsons. And no way should you touch anything made in the '70s! (although we were all highly impressed when a kid called Roger Hopkins turned up in school with a brand-new natural ash, big-headstock maple neck Strat, circa 1979.... :lol: )
Despite their "vintage" status, I still regard '70s Fenders and Gibsons with suspicion. But I must admit I've lost any prejudice I may have had about late '60s Strats! :D
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Best metal albums ever and they're confusing rock'n'roll acts like AC/DC and GnR with metal?! Everything else seems to be from the last few years with a couple of notable exceptions. No Mindcrime (metal's DSotM), no Dio (Rising/Heaven&Hell/Mob Rules/Holy Diver, all time classics every one). PAH!
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NME reader buys magazine that advertises poll for best metal albums. Reader is nominally a sensible metal fan and votes for metallica.
NME readers dad finds magazine, votes for ACDC
NME readers son find magazine, vote for Avenged sevenfold.
Metal Dad tells his dad "thats great but its not metal", his dad shrugs, says "sounds like metal to me". Metal dad tells his son "Thats metal, I suppose, but its $%&#ing shiteee" and he should get some proper metal herataige. Son yells that he hates his dad, slams the door, runs to his room and whines on facebook to all his mates, telling them to vote for their favourite bands, which are assuredly shiteee, as seen in the poll. One of said friends is not otherwise occupied complaining about his parents/school/ineptitude with girls, slamming doors or bemoaning the injustices and suffering of middle class suburban life to vote.
Hence the approximately 1:1:2 ratio of actually good metal to good but not metal to metal but anything but good.
Thats exactly how it happened.
But with slightly different bands each time.
Believe.
I think that makes pretty much perfect sense. :lol:
At least until the next hypothesis comes along.
I think my hypothesis is more accurate.
NME announces poll online. People post it on facebook. Street teamers get hold.
Done.
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I think my hypothesis is more accurate.
NME announces poll online. People post it on facebook. Street teamers get hold.
Done.
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oh right so it was YOU and YOUR MATES that voted for avenged sevenfold and bring me the horizon, that explains it! :mrgreen:
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NME reader buys magazine that advertises poll for best metal albums. Reader is nominally a sensible metal fan and votes for metallica.
NME readers dad finds magazine, votes for ACDC
NME readers son find magazine, vote for Avenged sevenfold.
Metal Dad tells his dad "thats great but its not metal", his dad shrugs, says "sounds like metal to me". Metal dad tells his son "Thats metal, I suppose, but its $%&#ing shiteeee" and he should get some proper metal herataige. Son yells that he hates his dad, slams the door, runs to his room and whines on facebook to all his mates, telling them to vote for their favourite bands, which are assuredly shiteeee, as seen in the poll. One of said friends is not otherwise occupied complaining about his parents/school/ineptitude with girls, slamming doors or bemoaning the injustices and suffering of middle class suburban life to vote.
Hence the approximately 1:1:2 ratio of actually good metal to good but not metal to metal but anything but good.
Thats exactly how it happened.
But with slightly different bands each time.
Believe.
I think that makes pretty much perfect sense. :lol:
At least until the next hypothesis comes along.
I think my hypothesis is more accurate.
NME announces poll online. People post it on facebook. Street teamers get hold.
Done.
I don't know which hypothesis is best really, just thought MDV's post was funny :wink: .
Anyway, all best band, best film, best book, best album, best guitarist, best anything polls are nonsense ultimately, aren't they?
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Absolutely.
The reason I'd posted this was that it was a testament to the power of street teams in the era of social networking. I just thought it hilarious. Likely one facebook update from BMTH saying "vote for us on this link" was all it took.
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2 Avenged Sevenfold, 2 Slipknot albums and the Bullet for my Valentine album discredit that poll completely.
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I see there's a whole lot of stuff about which bands do or don't count as metal...
Well, my old guitar teacher referred to Black Sabbath as 'Hard Rock'
And don't forget that Lemmy insists that Motorhead are Rock 'n' Roll...
As for me, I'm not too bothered one way or the other...