Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Denim n Leather on April 28, 2011, 01:07:05 AM
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Well, here it is, and the proof is in the pudding, as they say.
I must admit, I didn't think the tonal difference would translate into audio, but I was wrong -- it's clearly definable!
The beginning of the clip is a comparison between celluloid and bone. Listen to the clip, pick a favourite, and then I'll clue you in as to which is which. The rest of the clip is a pickup/riff test, feel free to skip it.
http://soundcloud.com/bena/bone-pick-test
Please download the full wav, as it's harder to discern the differences from the mp3 stream.
SIGNAL CHAIN: Lollar Imperial set, DR Pure Blues strings, Hartman Tommy Bolin Fuzz, Nick Greer Sweetback Driver, Vox Little Night Train, 2x12 with Eminence Wizards. Cables are Monster, Whirlwind, and George L's.
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Ok, great. Now I am only talking about the one part played 3 times at the very beginning. Right now I had several beers and donīt have my studio headphones on so I might revise this tomorrow, but here is my first impression.
To me the first one sounds most lively / organic, with nice attack and propper bottom. My favorite. I guess this is bone.
Second one seems duller, mushier, flatter. Least favorite.
Third one seems brightest, hollowest and most agressive. Itīs ok, but I donīt really like it.
So in this clip I prefer the first one. Just seems balanced and nice.
/open beer
/out
PS: Iīm thinking about doing a similar thing comparing my pics which would be classic Jazz III, Ultex Jazz III and V-Picks (small pointed) with each other. Might be interesting as well, though I might wait for my bone and wood picks which are stuck in Jamaica, NY). More soon ;)
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Heh, I'm close enuff to Jamaica to give 'em a push if you need ... PDT_008
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Heh, I'm close enuff to Jamaica to give 'em a push if you need ... PDT_008
Go ahead, they have been sitting there since the 19th waiting to be brought to Germany.^^ And USPS is supposed to be one of the faster services...pfff.
And while we are at the topic of celluloid vs bone, could you perhaps post something more about the feel of them, without compromising the guessing by mentioning tone of course. Maybe you noticed a difference in how you play? How hard you strike the strings?
I think any difference you noticed at all would be interresting to most of us.
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i hear the same as Kiichi
1 = Nice balance (Bone)
2 = Dull sounding (celluloid)
3 = Bright and somewhat thin (thinner celluloid)
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i hear the same as Kiichi
1 = Nice balance (Bone)
2 = Dull sounding (celluloid)
3 = Bright and somewhat thin (thinner celluloid)
Thanks mate. You even specified my guesses a bit further.
Now Iīll go even further, thanks ethanol, and say that 2 was like the classic black big Dunlop Jazz III pic and 3 was nylon and about .68mm thick.^^
This is gun....damn you ethanol, I mean fun!
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This is gun....damn you ethanol, I mean fun!
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currently on my 5th jack n coke :lol:
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The beginning is an A/B/A comparison ...
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this is all interesting.
I thought the 1st and 3rd reps were the same pick.
how thick and what shape was the celluloid?
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The beginning is an A/B/A comparison ...
If that is so, the contrast might have thown me off, leading me to hear the 3rd one brighter than it is. I just played the two A things back to back and they seem similar, althoug I think now completly the same, might just be playing though. I still think they are better than the second though, but I have to say that different media players also seem to make a difference in this comparison, as the differences seem clearer in media player classic than in VLC.
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A is the bone pick, much harder, B is the celluloid... harder picking on the 3rd run through, though :)
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I could hear a difference - think A stood out more
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A is the bone pick, much harder, B is the celluloid... harder picking on the 3rd run through, though :)
the 3rd one still sounds the brightest to me...must be the harder picking as mentioned above..
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You guys got some good ears!
Yes, A is the bone pick. B is a Fender heavy Premium Celluloid.
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theres clear differences in tone, but I guess differences in picking technique may be making a differences too. I hear B as being a little more dull.
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theres clear differences in tone, but I guess differences in picking technique may be making a differences too. I hear B as being a little more dull.
B does sound duller.
slight picking difference, shape, thickness, all makes a difference I think. The Bone pick does sound good in comparison but I think its worth mentioning this isn't just a test of materials, its a test of different designs (thickness, tip shape etc) if that makes sense. I have to admit I prefer the bone to the fender pleck. sounds like all you guys might have got onto a winner for yourselves.
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How do you like the Emi Wizards?
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How do you like the Emi Wizards?
I absolutely love them! They are very high efficiency, which is necessary for my dual 2W amps. They are also large, so if you're thinking about getting some, make sure they will fit; mine almost didn't fit into my 2x12 due to the magnet size.
Tonally, they are VERY nice ... unlike most loudspeakers, they retain their low frequency push even at low volumes. (I'm guessing this is due to their high efficiency, but that is just a guess) They have a slight midrange boost, but otherwise are quite 'hifi' sounding.
For hard rock, I'm hard pressed to think of anything that competes aside from the Ragin Cajun.
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where the picks the same thickness? - it's typical for harder and thicker picks to sound different to softer thinner picks.
you can quite clearly hear that the bone pick adds clarity to the attack - might be worth trying if they weren't all so damn thick (I'm used to playing 0.88mm nylon picks).