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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: PPPMAT on April 28, 2011, 10:15:14 AM
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Hi Guys lets talk speakers!!
I have a pair of Celestion Golds in my 2x12 which are really really nice. I am looking to load another 2x12 with something that is still smooth and warm but with a tighter low end and a crunchier tone.
I thought that a greenback type speaker might bet me there but the 25w rating is just no good - I need 30w minimum really. I have thought about the G12h but it appears that that speaker wont give me the mids. I have also looked at the G12-65 heritage which looks on paper ideal but opinions seem quite divided.
Open to look at anything! - any advice??
Cheers
Matt
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maybe a Tayden Great Brit at 50watts?
I think that has a G12H style magnet and but a higher power rated voice coil.
I've played one mixed with a different Tayden in a 2x12. that cab sounded really nice.
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the G12H will give you all the mids you want - its very midrangey imo, that why I like it. it's just a G12M 'greenback' with a heavier magnet; hence tighter bass and snarlier mids.
you'd do well with the G12-65 as well, or the classic lead 80 with the former being crunchier and the latter being fatter with more bass.
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G12H is middy, but has a midscoop gap at some very audible frequency, and also a lot more bass and a more aggressive top
very different from a G12M
maybe a weber 50w ceramic silver bell or a scumback 65w M75?
eminence makes some cheaper ones like the private jack and the GB12, but they don't sound like celestions at all
I had a quad of the regular G12M's, pair of 70's rola G12M with 55 hz bass cones and five V30's... also the neodymium version of the v30, which was actually pretty good, although somehow unique sounding
right now I have a pair of scumback H75's, which is still pretty close to a regular celestion G12H, but a bit middier and rounder, and some boutique MG music Black Dog speakers
the MG Black Dog is supposedly a G12M clone, but it doesn't sound like one
mine is 50w, and the magnet and casing are the same used by Weber on the Silver Bell
paper layered bobbins and the same cone as the G12M, but it's much fatter and louder than a G12M and has a rounder and cleaner top
I love these speakers and they are very easy to deal for every situation (home, band practice, gigs, and specially recordings), BUT they won't deliver the aggressive celestion snarl
if you can find the G12-65 for cheap, go for it, but if you can only find the heritage expensive version, get a scumback M75 instead
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Scumback M75 high wattage.
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Scumback M75 high wattage.
+1, go for the 60W version, it's very popular.
Shipping is gonna hurt in UK, but from clips and reviews of professional players I would say they are truly awesome.
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G12-65's are awesome.
What amp ?
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I'm am very surprised nobody has mentioned Eminence. The Private Jack is based on the Greenback and manages 50 Watts.
http://www.eminence.com/speakers/speaker-detail/?model=Private_Jack
Otherwise the Wizard is the heavier version, sounding more like the H30.
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G12-65's are awesome.
What amp ?
It will be for my existing MJW Orion (jtm45/plexi like) and for my new Orion which will be the same but with el34s and with a foot heavily in the Superlead camp. The idea is that I can have two cabs that are interchangeable for different tones with the two amps. I love the golds but find that they are quite a clean speaker and the extra warmth you get from them is not ideal with a jtm45 syle amp with kt66s as it is already a warm bass heavy amp.
Cheers
Matt
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Scumback M75 high wattage.
+1, go for the 60W version, it's very popular.
Shipping is gonna hurt in UK, but from clips and reviews of professional players I would say they are truly awesome.
i had one of these for a while, but it didn't suit my style. the build quality was impeccable though, and i sold it to my boss in fact, who is very happy with it, and i must admit it suits his rig and playing very well
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I would not recommend Scumbacks for Metal.
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maybe a Tayden Great Brit at 50watts?
I think that has a G12H style magnet and but a higher power rated voice coil.
I've played one mixed with a different Tayden in a 2x12. that cab sounded really nice.
2nd'd!
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Eric, where do you purchase these Black Dogs mate?
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Matt, where are you located, I am in Blackpool if you're close and want to come and give my G12-65 loaded Orange 2x12 a blast
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I recently got a pair of Tone Tubby ceramic hempcones (40w each), and I really like them. I replaced my Sidewinders in my 2x12 Ear Candy cab with them (I'm not getting rid of the Sidewinders though!). I really like the sound of them, they are very much like a G12M and have a sweet but detailed top with nice control in the mids and bass.
I have a set of Scumbacks - LHDC M75's, but am not happy with them and I'm getting them reconed by Weber. I would recommend the Weber Thames or ceramic Silver Dog, if you want a more open sounding speaker.
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Eric, where do you purchase these Black Dogs mate?
from MG Music (brazilian company)
they used to cost around 150 british pounds a pair, but now they are around 250
I guess shipping them internationally would get expensive
you'll probably get close results with a weber silver bell, that's only US$100 a piece
but the black dogs aren't behind any celestion I had, or even the scumbacks
you can contact their CEO, Marcelo Giangrande at marcelo@mgmusic.net or talk to him on orkut
http://www.orkut.com.br/Main#Profile?uid=12526586432098186823
here's some rough clips of the 50w version:
http://netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=7815
http://netmusicians.org/index.php?section=id&value=6805
and also a comparison with a 1977 Celestion Rola G12M blackback with the original 55hz cone:
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Well I decided to go for a pair of scumbacks - specifically the J75 LHDC which is a speaker voiced between the G12m and G12h but with the high end slightly rolled off with the large dust cap. Sounds great in clips but I won't know untilI get them.
Thanks for your advice guys
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Well I decided to go for a pair of scumbacks - specifically the J75 LHDC which is a speaker voiced between the G12m and G12h but with the high end slightly rolled off with the large dust cap. Sounds great in clips but I won't know untilI get them.
Thanks for your advice guys
I hope you like them, I didn't like the rolloff that the large dustcap gives comparing them to the regular Scumbacks and am having mine reconed by Weber with small dustcaps.
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Well I decided to go for a pair of scumbacks - specifically the J75 LHDC which is a speaker voiced between the G12m and G12h but with the high end slightly rolled off with the large dust cap. Sounds great in clips but I won't know untilI get them.
Thanks for your advice guys
I hope you like them, I didn't like the rolloff that the large dustcap gives comparing them to the regular Scumbacks and am having mine reconed by Weber with small dustcaps.
for anyone who doesn't know - Weber make Scumback speakers to Scumback's specs.
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Well I decided to go for a pair of scumbacks - specifically the J75 LHDC which is a speaker voiced between the G12m and G12h but with the high end slightly rolled off with the large dust cap. Sounds great in clips but I won't know untilI get them.
Thanks for your advice guys
I hope you like them, I didn't like the rolloff that the large dustcap gives comparing them to the regular Scumbacks and am having mine reconed by Weber with small dustcaps.
Well my thinking was that the J75 is a bit brighter than the M75 so the LHDC should roll off a bit of the extra treble whilst retaining the tighter low end. The Golds Im using at the moment have that soft top end and that is what I wanted to replicate. - do you think its the wrong way to go?
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Well I decided to go for a pair of scumbacks - specifically the J75 LHDC which is a speaker voiced between the G12m and G12h but with the high end slightly rolled off with the large dust cap. Sounds great in clips but I won't know untilI get them.
Thanks for your advice guys
I hope you like them, I didn't like the rolloff that the large dustcap gives comparing them to the regular Scumbacks and am having mine reconed by Weber with small dustcaps.
Well my thinking was that the J75 is a bit brighter than the M75 so the LHDC should roll off a bit of the extra treble whilst retaining the tighter low end. The Golds Im using at the moment have that soft top end and that is what I wanted to replicate. - do you think its the wrong way to go?
My speakers were M75-LHDC, so you might have more success with the J series (which weren't available when I got mine). I am also using them with a Ceriatone Dumble clone in an Ear Candy cab, which has a ton of bass anyway. I probably wanted more brightness out of them and after hearing D&L's regular M75, preferred that sound. Since a Weber recone is only $25, I decided to go that route. I think they'll be a big contrast to the Golds (though I've not heard them, only the Blues).
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I am after a different sound to the golds - more crunch specifically but like the soft top end
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after all that HTH tells us all about the George Lynch speakers...typical ;)
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Eric, loved those clips mate
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after all that HTH tells us all about the George Lynch speakers...typical ;)
only just found out mate - they do look tasty though don't they. might have to try one when they become widely available.
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I'd go for the PRS between the two man; I always find that a signature model is limiting in the setup for an optimal sound. It'll still sound ace doing other stuff, but it'll sound best...well, playing ZW/BLS type stuff.
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I'd go for the PRS between the two man; I always find that a signature model is limiting in the setup for an optimal sound. It'll still sound ace doing other stuff, but it'll sound best...well, playing ZW/BLS type stuff.
lol wrong thread