Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Cattivo Ragazzo on January 12, 2006, 10:02:54 PM
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What is the most gainist pedal out there? I've had a lot, but none have given me enough gain. Stuff like the ds1 is no where near enough, and some of those higher gain boss pedals have a tone that i don't like. I would try the digi death metal, but i've not heard a good word about that one. I have a tube amp, but the dist at the highest level is just not enough, I don't like the horridness of using a distortion pedal + the amps own distortion, and I like the amps own distortion, so it would be cool if there is something that I can use to just boost the gain? If not, recommend me a pedal if you can.
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I'm not really big on pedals, I like amp distortion, but I had a line 6 uber metal that had more gain than I can imagine anyone ever actually finding a use for.
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I dislike all the line6 stuff ive tried.
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sounds like you want an overdrive pedal rather than a distortion. theres loads out there. For starters theres the Boss SD-1 and MXR wylde overdrive. Tim uses both i think so theres a good place to start.
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Doesn't that just make my amps distortion muddy? I have to use the pedal through cleans?
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Doesn't that just make my amps distortion muddy? I have to use the pedal through cleans?
Well not if you buy a good one and have a decent amp it shouldnt. But an overedrive wont give anywhere near the distortion your looking for if you use it over a clean tone.
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I see, what about a tube screamer, is this an overdrive pedal, like a 808?
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Im sure it is an overdrive yeah, personally i have no experience with tube screamers but im sure others on the forum have. I've heard good things about the mods keeley do for them.
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The Highest gain pedal Ive used is the AMT Rammstein pedal, its insane amounts of distortion. I prefer a good overdrive though.
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The Highest gain pedal Ive used is the AMT Rammstein pedal, its insane amounts of distortion. I prefer a good overdrive though.
whats that one like? time for a google search me thinks...
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how about just a simple boost pedal, going into the pre-amp? It should give you significantly more 'oomph'. Same principle as the overdrive but if you get a clear boost it won't alter the tone of the amp + guitar combo.
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Could you give me a bunch of names for these boost pedals? Thanks
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I have the Catalinbread Super Chili Picoso. It has 35db of boost available, and its a clean boost. He also produces a Sogrando Picoso (?) that has an increased midrange boost. Either way, 35db is a lot of boost. It works fine for me, but I only ever used it on my Line 6...(there are samples in the players bit). I, for some reason, haven't used it with my JCM800 - I don't have an attenuator at the moment so I don't like the overdriven sound of the amp at room level, so for my distortions right now I mostly use a fuzz. I reckon though, with a properly overdriven amp, it would sound wicked. I'm getting my hands on an attenuator tomorrow hopefully, I should be able to report back!
Most boutique guys make boost pedals, basically cos I think they are a very simple circuit!
Some names to search for:
Cusack, Keeley, Monkey FX, Dytone, Build Your Own Clone, Retroman, Aramat, HBE, Fulltone, Kaden, ZVex, D*A*M.
There are loads though, including the MXR Micro Amp. The different boosters will have different tonal qualities and different amounts of boost, and therefore power. It's quite an organic effect, and you might find something you like, you might not. You can boost with a standard overdrive pedal too, though, by increasing the 'level' button. Of course, thats probably not a standard boost and maybe won't be so good at it...Also, some overdrives now come with built in, independent, boost circuits. Lots of choice!
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thanks
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Would changing the tubes make any difference? Could I get tubes that would make lots more gain? Mine are ecc83 12ax7a
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Surely the best thing for getting the best tone out of your valve amp is an attenuator, not a pedal. The best distortion on a valve amp is that from the power amp, which means cranking the volume.
I have a tube amp, but the dist at the highest level is just not enough
I assume you're meaning cranking the gain up. By doing this your tone will become mushy & ill defined, keep the gain low to retain string definition, and crank the volume instead with an attenuator.
A TS-9/808 won't meet the "high gain" requirements, I tried a few a while back and didn't think they were all that gain-y, great for blues/rock though. Willo's mention of a booster pedal is a good suggestion for a valve amp, but whether this will give you the gain you're after I'm not sure. Saying all that, the ProCo RAT's have inordinate amounts of filth on tap. ;)
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My tone doesn't become mushy or ill defined, it couldn't be any more opposite. The gain is at 10. Playing the amp loud doesn't make much difference.
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I'm almost strictly all about amp drive, although one pedal caught my attention when I needed more gain with my Marshall TSL100 was the Visual Sound Jekyll&Hyde, which is a TS808(jekyll)/distortion(hyde) in one package, about as versatile as you can get but I mostly enjoyed the jekyll side with drive 0 and volume 5 boosting the marshall's lead chan. Excellent pedal.
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My tone doesn't become mushy or ill defined, it couldn't be any more opposite. The gain is at 10.
I must be doing something wrong then... Whenever I've tried that, all I have ever got was a wall of wool. :?
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The Highest gain pedal Ive used is the AMT Rammstein pedal, its insane amounts of distortion.
It's now called AMT Du Hast (me thinks they were threatened with court action). How about Keeley's Metalzone modification (rather than the standard Boss version)?
I know that Corey from Trivium uses a tubescreamer for a boost into his amp (think its a dual rectifier), and I've heard others say it sounds good too.