Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Marco78 on June 05, 2011, 11:21:51 AM
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Hi boys, few days ago I have get a awesome Yamaha SG 2000 but the pickups is good but not special.
I would a pickups that nails the Santana sound of the years 1976-1982 when he uses this guitar.
I have read on the net that Carlos change the japanese pickups with old Gibson, but honestly I don't think that Carlos installed a PAF pickups because IMO the sound is different from PAF sound.
Do you know what pickups Santana used? Or from his sound, in your opinion what pickups are more raccomanded?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3KEwqOZ_UQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3KEwqOZ_UQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSECQtF58BU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSECQtF58BU)
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You could very well be right that he didn't use the stock pickups. I don't see the three screw pickup mounting system.
I have no idea what he might have put in there. All I know he has the tone rolled off.......alot.
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All I know he has the tone rolled off.......alot.
I love that sound! :)
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The toneknob is often the secret to get good/different sounds (specially on a tele). I think Emeralds would be a good choice for the Yam.
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I know we're talking about a slightly later period, but dare I suggest Abraxas?
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I know we're talking about a slightly later period, but dare I suggest Abraxas?
Of course you can.
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I've never properly tried an SG2000 (although they are beautiful guitars!) but I imagine that maple through-neck would make them a bit brighter than a Les Paul?
If that's the case, you probably wouldn't want a bright-sounding pickup.
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I've never properly tried an SG2000 (although they are beautiful guitars!) but I imagine that maple through-neck would make them a bit brighter than a Les Paul?
If that's the case, you probably wouldn't want a bright-sounding pickup.
Yes, this is a slightly brighter guitar than a LP.
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I find the tone Santana had on his old Yamaha SG to be FAR superior to anything he's had with PRS. I've had the privilege of playing a Yamaha SG and it was absolutely fantastic. Great to play and godly tone, it just screamed out Santana. I've never played a Gibsonl that came even close to being as satisfying to play and needless to say, if I won the lottery, a Yamaha SG would be my first purchase.
I'm not sure which pickups would be best but for obvious reasons I'd have thought the Abraxas set would be a great choice fo what you're looking for.
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If hid did use PAF's then surely Mules are the way to go.
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I remember reading somewhere he had Seymour Duncan do a custom wind for that guitar, but it would be good to verify that. Otherwise, I would also suggest the Abraxas pickups, which I understand to be a bit of a misnomer anyway since they don't seem to specifically target his Abraxas period. Those are nice clips you posted, I'm a big fan of early/mid Santana too.
As for the Yamaha SG, I have 2 but can't seem to bond with them. Too thin necks for my taste...
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By the way, what's the deal with putting replacement pickups in a Yamaha SG? I'm pretty sure the dimensions aren't exactly the same. People do it but some kind of workaround is needed. Anyone here knows what that is?
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As for the Yamaha SG, I have 2 but can't seem to bond with them. Too thin necks for my taste...
Why on earth did you buy the second one then? I don't imagine you'd have trouble selling them.
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Threw in a lowball bid on an auction and ended up getting it. It's a beautiful cream 1984 SG1300T in near mint condition and I got it for something like 700 USD shipped so you won't hear me complain!
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As for the Yamaha SG, I have 2 but can't seem to bond with them. Too thin necks for my taste...
I always wondered about the neck shapes on older ones, it doesn't tend to get mentioned much.
Thin neck and super-heavyweight body.... I guess I'm destined never to own one. :(
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The neck is slightly thin compared to my Tokai LS 150, but for me is very confortable.
The bridge pup is 50 mm spacing like Les Paul, but it is necessary to change the pickups rings, because stock pickups have three screws. I have measured the Tokai rings and they are more high, but I think that this isn't a problem.
I have ask to Tim what his pickups is more adapt and he told me that Riff Raff is more adapt. I think that Abraxas are more "PRS/late Santana" sound, more dark and compressed sound.
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If that's the case then "Abraxas" really is a bad name. To me that evokes the tone of Black Magic Woman, Samba Pa Ti, etc., not the mushy PRS sound.
As to necks, they're not super-super thin, but I like a bit more heft. I think it's somewhere similar to a Fender modern C neck. My SG3000 is 4kg, so the weight's not too bad, and my SG1300T is 3.5kg, not bad at all. The latter has a body that's maybe 1cm thinner. It's a bit like an ESP Eclipse to the SG3000's Les Paul.
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If that's the case then "Abraxas" really is a bad name. To me that evokes the tone of Black Magic Woman, Samba Pa Ti, etc., not the mushy PRS sound.
As to necks, they're not super-super thin, but I like a bit more heft. I think it's somewhere similar to a Fender modern C neck. My SG3000 is 4kg, so the weight's not too bad, and my SG1300T is 3.5kg, not bad at all. The latter has a body that's maybe 1cm thinner. It's a bit like an ESP Eclipse to the SG3000's Les Paul.
Yes, the neck isn't very thin. My SG2000 is 4,6 kg because have a brass plate under the bridge, that there isn't on the SG 3000.
I have hear a couple of Abraxas videos and I think the sound is really compressed and dark, otherwise Tim advice me this pickups instead that Riff Raff.
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I've only tried the neck model, but from what I've read/heard I don't think the Abraxas is a dark sounding set. It's not bright, but the neck pickup had a bit more presence than the Crawler neck, for example.
(Hmmm, Fender Modern C, too thin for me. And they still sound a bit on the heavy side! :lol: )
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I've only tried the neck model, but from what I've read/heard I don't think the Abraxas is a dark sounding set. It's not bright, but the neck pickup had a bit more presence than the Crawler neck, for example.
(Hmmm, Fender Modern C, too thin for me. And they still sound a bit on the heavy side! :lol: )
Probably isn't a metal pups, but probably is too much "heavy" in comparison to a PAF model.
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Abraxas is still PAF-ish, but I think you can't go wrong with AIV Mules.
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Abraxas is still PAF-ish, but I think you can't go wrong with AIV Mules.
From sample I like the esmerald!