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Title: Tele wiring help
Post by: richardjmorgan on June 05, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
Hey all. I've attempted re-wiring my '52 Tele using the following diagram that Jonathan at Feline gave me (the blue bits are my additions, putting the ground wires in the same place as they were to begin with – maybe these are wrong and causing the problems I'll describe shortly):
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-96iJTnTOw0c/TeuoSfES5dI/AAAAAAAAABc/qu1C2MfotbM/s640/Tele%252520wiring%252520diagram.jpg)

Here's what I have done (replacing the Tele switch with a 3-way toggle):
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-GAyZW7C6NdM/TeuoFuEayhI/AAAAAAAAABQ/YqrR4YjI7CI/s640/tele%252520wiring.jpg)

Now, when I turn the volume pot all the way down, I'm still getting sound coming out of the guitar (but at much lower volume). Also, the whole thing's buzzing until I touch the strings, so I'm guessing I've failed to earth something properly somewhere. Anyone have any suggestions as to what I've done wrong and how to go about fixing it?
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: Modular1 on June 06, 2011, 12:41:11 AM
Double check you have the polarity correct on the input jack. Might be why strings buzz when you touch them.
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: richardjmorgan on June 06, 2011, 05:21:44 PM
Double check you have the polarity correct on the input jack. Might be why strings buzz when you touch them.
I'll check this, but it's not buzzing when I touch the strings; it's buzzing when I'm not touching the strings. Sorry if that wasn't clear!
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: richardjmorgan on June 11, 2011, 12:32:08 PM
I've double-checked everything, and am still getting the same issues – can anyone help me?  :(
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: PhilKing on June 11, 2011, 01:01:27 PM
Move the black wire to the jack to the volume pot.  It's only ground connection is through the plate.  You should also run a ground wire to the tone pot casing.
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on June 11, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
yes - just connect a wire between the backs of the two pots
Also have the black wire to the jack come to the back of the volume pot for best practice
My sketch shows an earth symbol on the back of each pot (albeit hastily drawn)
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: richardjmorgan on June 12, 2011, 11:23:02 AM
Thanks guys – I'll give that a try!
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: richardjmorgan on June 14, 2011, 11:08:06 PM
OK, we're getting somewhere! Ran a wire between the backs of the volume and tone pots and it's solved the buzzing issue, so cheers for that, guys!

However, I'm still having issues with the volume pot – even when all the way down, it doesn't totally cut off the sound. Then when I turn it up, it doesn't get any louder until right near the top and jumps up to more or less full volume. So what have I got wrong here?
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: Transcend on June 15, 2011, 06:34:14 AM
OK, we're getting somewhere! Ran a wire between the backs of the volume and tone pots and it's solved the buzzing issue, so cheers for that, guys!

However, I'm still having issues with the volume pot – even when all the way down, it doesn't totally cut off the sound. Then when I turn it up, it doesn't get any louder until right near the top and jumps up to more or less full volume. So what have I got wrong here?

I also have this issue in one of my guitars.

It's just a damaged pot.

The only real course of action is to replace it.
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: richardjmorgan on June 15, 2011, 08:06:46 AM
OK, we're getting somewhere! Ran a wire between the backs of the volume and tone pots and it's solved the buzzing issue, so cheers for that, guys!

However, I'm still having issues with the volume pot – even when all the way down, it doesn't totally cut off the sound. Then when I turn it up, it doesn't get any louder until right near the top and jumps up to more or less full volume. So what have I got wrong here?

I also have this issue in one of my guitars.

It's just a damaged pot.

The only real course of action is to replace it.
:? Really? It was totally new! How annoying.
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: Philly Q on June 15, 2011, 11:33:04 AM
It does sound like you fried the pot or it was just a dud, I've had that happen.

I notice it's a "vintage" style pot.  I like the feel of those better than the normal flat-backed CTS pots (which are always too stiff), but they do seem to be a bit more fragile.
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: richardjmorgan on June 15, 2011, 01:51:48 PM
It does sound like you fried the pot or it was just a dud, I've had that happen.

I notice it's a "vintage" style pot.  I like the feel of those better than the normal flat-backed CTS pots (which are always too stiff), but they do seem to be a bit more fragile.
It's the replacement 1meg pot that comes as part of the 'modern' wiring kit that came with my Tele. So I'm guessing the likely conclusion is I've knacked it with my inept soldering? Bugger.
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: Philly Q on June 15, 2011, 02:16:12 PM
Yes, you may have overheated it, but as I say that type of pot does seem to be more fragile. 

I wired a Strat a while ago with three of those pots, brand new, and it was all very clean (I thought), but the volume pot turned out to be knackered.  I replaced it and everything was fine.
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: Transcend on June 15, 2011, 03:24:11 PM
Yeah i have also had dud pots in the past.

From CTS more than anyone else over the last year or so i feel their quality is really slipping.

I generally stick to Alpha & bourns now
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: Philly Q on June 15, 2011, 04:04:03 PM
I generally stick to Alpha & bourns now

I'ver always been a bit snobby about Alpha pots, just because "metric = cheap", but I honestly can't remember if I've ever actually used them. 

Are they good quality?  It would save having to replace the knobs every time I upgrade the electronics.  :lol:
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: Transcend on June 15, 2011, 05:04:27 PM
Alpha pots are actually great in my opinion.

I used them in my amp build and also effects pedal builds.

Not only do they fit almost everything i also find the feel of them to be a lot smoother and easier than a lot of other pots.

Also another bonus is that they are also cheap which i believe is the  main reason that people look down on them
Title: Re: Tele wiring help
Post by: Philly Q on June 15, 2011, 06:03:56 PM
Ta, I might give Alpha a try.

I like the CGE pots WD used to sell - they're US-fit but nowhere near as stiff to use as CTS.  They only seem to have them in weird values like 25k and 50k now though.