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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Transcend on July 15, 2011, 09:53:57 PM
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http://www.thelocal.se/7650/
what a reasonable boss
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First off that's BS. He needs to grow up. Secondly, there are many ways to exploit that system that are much more fun. "My disability is I can't help squeezing the breasts of strangers and saying HONK! Please give me money for beer now."
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Pathetic.
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It is pathetic.
but its a lot more refreshing than all the people we have here who have back injuries that stop them working altogether but they're perfectly fine going jet skiing and running for buses etc
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Don't get me started. I work in the benefit system and deal with thousands of cases of people claiming sickness benefits who have absolutely nothing wrong with them. Depression for example - ANYONE can get their doctor to sign them off. You can spot them by looking at the prescriptions. GPs will prescribe antidepressants but at such low doses they might as well be smarties.
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I tried getting disability WTC, but they basically told me to fu*ck off.
I have arthritis - don't want to go into it all here, but it sucks and does limit me to large degree.
You need to tick all the boxes, if you don't, you get nothing. Common sense doesn't come into it.
I'm gonna stop as I'm getting pis*sed off already.
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I'm sure nobody's going to assert that this chap deserves any legally enshrined concessions because of music he likes. But with the chance of this thread going down an ignorant, worrying road... As HTH has said it's extremely difficult to get disability benefits, especially now. Also the number of people in reciept of disability benefits is miniscule compared to what the media would have you believe.
But fuck sick people, get 'em in the pits.
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i... erm ... .. seriously, what? ..
i'm dumbfounded ... geez. to what low have we come as a race?
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It is pathetic.
but its a lot more refreshing than all the people we have here who have back injuries that stop them working altogether but they're perfectly fine going jet skiing and running for buses etc
In that he really does listen to metal. But thats not a disability either, so I dont really see how its in any practical, medical or ethical way different from fraud, save that theres more stupidity involved.
Don't get me started. I work in the benefit system and deal with thousands of cases of people claiming sickness benefits who have absolutely nothing wrong with them. Depression for example - ANYONE can get their doctor to sign them off. You can spot them by looking at the prescriptions. GPs will prescribe antidepressants but at such low doses they might as well be smarties.
That doesnt mean the GP doesnt think they have depression. That could easily be a GP being cautious and giving them the drug in an ineffectual quantity in the hope that a placebo effect does the job. Antidepressants are serious stuff, with serious side effects. Giving them out in serious dosages is not always needed and not always wise, a low dose is a sensible experiment on the doctors part; if the patient shows improvement then they dont need a higher dosage, if not, they could benefit from a higher dosage.
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plus it's a lot easier/cheaper to get antidepressants than therapy, which'd probably do a lot more good (but which is a lot more costly).
EDIT: it always bemuses me how people with absolutely no medical training think they know more than doctors. Just sayin'. :? (not necessarily talking about this case, I didn't even click the link- I just mean in general.)
"That doctor with his/her years of training and education can't spot a malingerer but i, with my folksy homespun common sense, can!"
:?
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It always bemuses me how people with absolutely no medical training think they know more than doctors. Just sayin'. :? (not necessarily talking about this case, I didn't even click the link- I just mean in general.)
"That doctor with his/her years of training and education can't spot a malingerer but i, with my folksy homespun common sense, can!"
:?
:lol:
Quite.
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The same doctors trained in the UK medical system that told other half that there's nothing wrong with her thyroid, even though she's only got 10% of her thyroid left after an operation years ago in Germany. So took her medication away as she's normall so now she's got nodules growing that are pressing on her windpipe.
I had to fly her back to Germany so she could see her old doctor who went apoplectic with what they'd said and done to her.
Having read up about how thyroid disorders are treated abroad it seems that what's common knowledge in another health system is ignored in ours as it's not sanctioned. $%&#ing nuts!
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+1
My sister nearly died from failure to diagnose a thyroid issue.
Ended up a month in hospital
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I dont think anyones insinuating that doctors are infalliable
More that if you have a problem with your thyroid, you wouldnt ask someone in a job centre for help with it.
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anyway, heavy metal is not a disability; unless you like Manowar :lol:
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:lol: :lol:
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I dont think anyones insinuating that doctors are infalliable
More that if you have a problem with your thyroid, you wouldnt ask someone in a job centre for help with it.
+1
I'm not saying for a second that doctors are infallible, or even should be put up on a pedestal. I'm just saying that, on a law of averages kind of thing, your doctor is more likely to correctly diagnose you than that bloke down the pub (assuming he's not a doctor, of course).
Actually one of the things that scares me is the crazy hours they have to work. That can't help with mistakes.
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I have no problem with the diagnosis. In fact it proves what I always knew, which is why I come on this board - as part of my charitable commitment to helping all you retards :)
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anyway, heavy metal is not a disability; unless you like Manowar :lol:
What if you like Hammerfall? :oops:
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anyway, heavy metal is not a disability; unless you like Manowar :lol:
What if you like Hammerfall? :oops:
Then you are clearly cool!
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anyway, heavy metal is not a disability; unless you like Manowar :lol:
What if you like Hammerfall? :oops:
hmm, not my bag I must say (I'm feeling in a generous mood, ha ha).
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anyway, heavy metal is not a disability; unless you like Manowar :lol:
What if you like Hammerfall? :oops:
Then you are clearly cool!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: YESSSSSS!!!!
I knew it! Now I have proof from the internet that it's OK to listen to Hammerfall. My girlfriend calls me a poofter for listening to them though. She's said something along the lines of "Do I need to get a sex change to accommodate your new lifestyle choice?" I can't help it though. They do what they do very well and have great guitar tone. IMO of course.
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anyway, heavy metal is not a disability; unless you like Manowar :lol:
What if you like Hammerfall? :oops:
Then you are clearly cool!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: YESSSSSS!!!!
I knew it! Now I have proof from the internet that it's OK to listen to Hammerfall. My girlfriend calls me a poofter for listening to them though. She's said something along the lines of "Do I need to get a sex change to accommodate your new lifestyle choice?" I can't help it though. They do what they do very well and have great guitar tone. IMO of course.
I agree entirely other than the poofter comments... is she confusing them with Manowar?
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How does someone who listens to Hammerfall have a girlfriend?
Is she one of those "girlfriends" that has to buffer?
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How does someone who listens to Hammerfall have a girlfriend?
Is she one of those "girlfriends" that has to buffer?
Started expanding my metal tastes AFTER I got a hold of her. :lol:
She's the type that'll instantly start blasting Meshuggah if someone pulls up next to her with loud rap music though. You wouldn't think it. Neither one of us "dress the part." A damn. No free beer money then....
But seriously, I can understand not liking power metal vocals, but HF is metal as hell and they have a new guitar player that's better on the solos.
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How does someone who listens to Hammerfall have a girlfriend?
Is she one of those "girlfriends" that has to buffer?
That is just the WORST case of prejudice I've heard from you young man...
Plenty of Hammerfall fans have a "special someone" they spend time with daily.
...on WoW servers across the globe.
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not just on WOW but also at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002VRT2MM/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=103612307&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0013NS604&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=0ZWXV75644KXT1WA3064
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:lol: Screw you guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVy9WFi7Zd0&feature=related
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Yes, I work for the Jobcentre network but I work closely with very experienced doctors who spend every day listening to people explain their 'disabilities'. Let's take depresssion as an example again. I had a bad episode of depression a few years back so I know of what I speak.
When you have clinical depression you are totally f***ked. You can't function in any meaningful way. I couldn't read a book, watch a TV programme, play a game of cards, hold a conversation or indulge in my favourite pastime of playing guitar. No interest in these things and completely unable to concentrate on anything for more than a few seconds. Six months of hell and two years before I could really say I was better. Even now I know the black dogs are lurking waiting to pounce.
The doctors tell me that they see countless hundreds of people signed off by their GP as suffering from depression. When they ask them how their depression affects their daily life they are met with blank looks. Apparently many people suffer from severe depression without it affecting their life in any noticeable way. They will happily say that they spend their days surfing the net, playing X-box, watching TV, reading, going for walks, meeting friends etc. In other words doing all those things that truly depressed people are incapable of. Their GPs are more than happy to issue sickness certificates because it gets these people off their backs.
These people are leeches. And there are a hell of a lot of them. I won't even begin to talk about 'bad backs'. And I'm basically a socialist.
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because the only valid symptoms of depression are the ones you had ???
yours sounds most like C in the following widely accepted definition
http://www.mental-health-today.com/dep/dsm.htm
i went through a period that would put me in A for the first few months of this year - and i just carried on till breaking point, i wasnt functioning properly - but i was still getting up every morning and doing what i thought i should be doing.
Its only looking back i realise how depressed i actually was, My doctor was a complete dismissive w**ker who obviously thought i was making it up. first time i have been to the doctors with an issue in 15 years and that is how i get treated!
My point is simply that it does not affect everyone the same way. you say you know of what your speak, but you only know of your experiences of it and its worth remembering that doesn't make you an expert on other people issues
i don't doubt some people take the piss, and i see why you would get particular sick of that if having to deal with it all day. My doctor was clearly sick of it to the point that he was dismissive and patronising to a patient who was genuinely looking for help rather than just a sick note
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Wez, those definitions you provided the link to do not describe a great many of the 'depressives' I deal with i.e. people with no symptoms at all. I've worked in this area on and off for a long time. At one point I spent a day a week in a large psychiatric hospital attending case conferences with consultant pyschiatrists. That REALLY was an eye opener. I have no medical training but I've worked a lot with people with schizophrenia, bi-polar etc trying, and sometimes succeeding, in helping them back into normal life. Most of the clients I worked with were trying as best they could to help themselves and at times it was a truly rewarding experience. At other times it was horrifically sad.
These days I'm at the other end of the scale. The vast majority of people I deal with have no legitimate reason at all for claiming sickness benefits. Some of my colleagues have major physical and mental health problems and yet they are determined to stand on their own two, one or no feet. There are many THOUSANDS of people who are just playing the system and these are the people I have a problem with.
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i am not for one second claiming there are not people that make it up, or that you get to deal with a high number of those
my problems with your previous post are that it:
a) clearly tries to define depression with one set of limited symptoms
b) paints you as an expert, apparently only due to having suffered this limited set of symptoms
i don't see this as an acceptable viewpoint for someone who deals with depressed people, less so for doctors and the like... because for all pretenders in the world, there will be many people with true depressive symptoms that get lumped in with the rest. its accepted that depression will not manifest the same way in all people. Even the DSM definitions are vague at best, very open to interpretation. the doctors can only go on what you tell them so have no real way to know the difference and dont have the time or experience for real diagnosis
i dont claim to have a solution for the problem of people making things up, but its important to remember that not everyone is
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people can and will play any system. the problem when you make it harder to play the system is that you only really get rid of the opportunists, and very often end up screwing a bunch of people who aren't playing the system, i.e. the actual people for whom the system is set up, who actually legitimately need the help being provided. the real experienced con artists will probably have already found a way round your new "foolproof" rules.
so basically all you can do is (a) disband all systems (that includes things like capitalism, government, etc. etc. etc. i.e. everything) or (b) pretty much put up with it. EDIT: to clarify: I'm obviously not saying there should be no rules. I'm saying that once you hit a certain point, making it more difficult to access the help does more harm than good, and puts off those who need the help from actually getting help, or worse, doesn't give them help when they need it.
And +1 on what wez is saying. just because you had depression (which I'm sorry to hear, by the way) and work closely with doctors doesn't make you an expert in it.
oh and if you're a socialist god help us :lol:
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You really don't have a clue. If my viewpoint is from a distorted perspective where are yours coming from ? My credentials , such as they are, are this: I've had the illness of clinical depression myself, I spent 5 years working closely with the Schizophrenia Fellowship, I've spent 15 years working in the benefit system administering the principles laid down in the infancy of the welfare state. My observations are based on YEARS of experience. What are yours based on ?
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I have to back what Wez & Dave have said. I've got experience in the area too but I'm not going to list it.
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You really don't have a clue. If my viewpoint is from a distorted perspective where are yours coming from ? My credentials , such as they are, are this: I've had the illness of clinical depression myself, I spent 5 years working closely with the Schizophrenia Fellowship, I've spent 15 years working in the benefit system administering the principles laid down in the infancy of the welfare state. My observations are based on YEARS of experience. What are yours based on ?
i am not after a pissing contest here.
since the first post i responded to, you have posted two more just to make yourself seem more like an expert, and it does!
But like i said before, i was responding to the other post which states
"I had a bad episode of depression a few years back so I know of what I speak.
When you have clinical depression you are totally f***ked. You can't function in any meaningful way. I couldn't read a book, watch a TV programme, play a game of cards, hold a conversation or indulge in my favourite pastime of playing guitar"
this is what i am talking about when i mentioned a limited definition based on limited experience. it basically suggest that if someone can drag themselves out of bed and out the front door they are not really depressed
it is simply wrong, which is why i linked to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders to show that the medical profession general accepts it is more complex, even if some doctors may not.
my experience is unimportant, it doesnt change the complex nature of depression
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i have accepted your premise that a lot of people make this stuff up, and that you probably deal with a particularly high number of people like that.
I will accept that my viewpoint is probably distorted through my own experiences
i do not accept the idea that you are only truly depressed if you are completely unable to function.
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that's enough from me. my point has been made and clarified and i hope you can see it for what it is - a suggestion not to write off everyone of those thousands of people as a faker just because their symptoms are not obvious to you
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Okay now, can we get back to making fun of Manowar fans?
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You really don't have a clue. If my viewpoint is from a distorted perspective where are yours coming from ? My credentials , such as they are, are this: ...confirmation bias...
Yep.
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Fair enough - I've nevr heard of Manowar before. Not sure I get it - is it SUPPOSED to be funny ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4qTi7cDtI4
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Fair enough - I've nevr heard of Manowar before. Not sure I get it - is it SUPPOSED to be funny ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4qTi7cDtI4
(http://www.sweetslyrics.com/images/img_gal/9127_Manowar1.jpg)
that should explain it all
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You really don't have a clue. If my viewpoint is from a distorted perspective where are yours coming from ? My credentials , such as they are, are this: I've had the illness of clinical depression myself, I spent 5 years working closely with the Schizophrenia Fellowship, I've spent 15 years working in the benefit system administering the principles laid down in the infancy of the welfare state. My observations are based on YEARS of experience. What are yours based on ?
none. that's why i'm willing to listen to the doctors and research.