Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: sambo on January 17, 2006, 04:49:27 PM
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ok so i've written about 3 posts on the simms-watts head alone and im starting to annoy MYSELF with the amount of shite im writing. anyway, forgive im only young (14).
so here's my latest dilemna (if that's how you spell it). i've seen an old marshall master lead combo for £99 second hand. now at the moment i have a crate gt65 which cost me about £170 brand new. what are the marshalls like and are they an improvement on the crate or not? also my other option is to buy the more expensive (i think it's more expensive, no one's replied to my 3rd simms-watts post- I NEED HELP WITH THAT!!!) simm-watts head that needs all the valves replacing. so what's best value for money- simms-watts head with blown valves (no idea yet)
marshall master lead combo (£99 used)
my current crate gt65 lol. (bought for £170 ish)
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I did a search for Marshall Lead Combo is it the model listed here ?
http://www.drtube.com/marshall
The 5010 model
The reason I ask is that when I searched I found a mixture of of solid state and valve items.
If it's the solid state I would personally say don't bother having been bitten (in the early / mid 80s) with with name brand transistor based amps (in my case Vox).
Even something like a Marshall AVT model (which everybody complains about) will probably be considerably better than an 80 / 90s transistor jobbie (unless you like transisor amps).
What sound/tone, wattage and price range have you in mind ?
If you want a general sort of solid state amp that dosn't use digital modelling try the Tech 21 amps theyre not bad
http://www.tech21nyc.com
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nope not that model you mentioned. looks a lot older, definately a transistor one. it's a 2x12 but 100 watts and it's not a head- those three characteristics rule it out of any of the master lead solid states on that site. weird?!
heres the link to the one i found:
http://www.coda-music.com/Secondhand%20Amps/masterlead.jpg
well i dont have a lot of money and was mainly looking for a second hand amp. i just want a change from my crate gt65, preferably something with a more vintage sound- hence the reason for looking at old amps like that battered marshall. also if possible i was looking for a valve amp (which is unlikely in my budget). i could get between £150-£250 by selling some stuff and that would be my maz really. wattage isn't really an issue at all- at the moment all i need is enough for band practices.
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I'd suggest you be careful buying an old amp if you are on a tight budget and if you are not experienced at sorting out dodgy amps. It is a false economy if you end up having to have a tech sort it out for you. I am sorry if I am stating the obvious but I'd save up a bit more if I were you and get yourself something that you can use and get used to and maybe learn how it works. You may not be satisfied with the Crate but you have tons of time to go on an amp quest.
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spose your right. see this what i'm always told "save up" and i know it's the best thing to do but it's so tedious when you have no income that you can save up. i mean it ends up being like a yearly thing where i get all my christmas (and birthday) money and just start building from there but it's so ANNOYING!!!! anyway. thanks for the advice- i know your right lol saving up is the sensible thing to do.
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dont do it
- save for a decent valve amp :?
-that will not be as good as ur crate i dont think
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ok thanks everyone i think that's pretty much decided- the marshall shall not be bought.
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dont do it
- save for a decent valve amp :?
-that will not be as good as ur crate i dont think
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ok thanks everyone that's pretty much decided- the marshall shall not be bought.
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LOL - sorry i didnt mean to post twice - my internet had a mental :P at least it really drilled the point home huh? :wink:
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ahah that made me post twice--- thats a classic. i was thinking- "im sure ive already said this?! maybe it didnt work last time" ahahah
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The other option you could go for if you want some additional marshall style tone on a low budget is to go for a Behinger VTone thing which is about 35 quid.
It seems like so many Behinger items to bear a remarkable similarity to a Tech 21 design, and is an analogue modeller
Set your amp on clean, your bass, mid and treble to the centre notch position and off you go.
If you want cheaper and you have some soldering experience try the designs here http://www.runoffgroove.com/
The Eighteen, Supereaux, and Uno are nice and the Thunder Chief is supposed to be fun too.
Rob...
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my friend has a behringer, and her controls are mounted on matchsticks. they snap if yu turn them too hard.
no. just NO.
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my friend has a behringer, and her controls are mounted on matchsticks. they snap if yu turn them too hard.
no. just NO.
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haha you stupid double poster!!! your gonna seriously fry my brain if you keep doing that indy!!!!
anyway, back to the point of the post!
so your friend has a behringer, and the message you are trying to get across is that they're complete shite???
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oh....my....god.... i dont believe i did it again!! yeah thats what im trying to say. i havent played thru many modellers, but it certainly was very lacklustre to my ears, and appaulingly made. she has a v-ampire 2 thing i think and it might be different from other behringers modellers? _tom_'s behringer v-amp thing aint half bad!
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i see thanks. jsut realised yuor from buckinghamshire your posh bar-steward. what part you from you could be pretty close to me.
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just like 4 miles down the road from aylesbury in a village called wendover?? i assume yu know where that is since its like capital of bucks! - noone usualy does tho...
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well ive heard of aylesbury, and yer of course wendover.... :roll: lol
seriously tho im pretty sure i know where aylesbury is. do you know where stevenage is? i think that's the biggest town near me.
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I don't like behringer as their designs are too similar to other products, but I can't afford a real sans amp :(
However they are cheap and relativly repairable.
However the runoff groove simulators are way better and they give stripboard diagrams for those who can't / won't PCBs
Rob...
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kool thanks rob.
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Your thing under your display pic says your in Herts, and I don't know where Stevenage is, but Coda's other place is in Luton which is south beds, and that wouldn't be too far for you to go I imagine, especially when you think of how much an amp costs. And they'll move stuff between either store for you, which is rather funky of them.
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yer both their branches are fairly near me. so you know about coda music then or did you just click on the link and see them??
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I know its been mentioned but I should point out that buying a second hand marshall doesn't mean you are saving money I bought my 2204 (it's older than the one Tim had) for £450, but decided to have it serviced by Marshall (£170 all in including valves), then replaced the valves with better ones (£80). Hence it wasn't a cheap thing to do, but I bought the amp because it was the one I wanted.
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yer i know what you mean.
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As indy said, my behringer v-amp 2 aint that bad. I've heard some people say they prefer it to a Pod except for the high gain tones. I've never played a Pod but all I know is that I like the V-amp 2. Sounds good for running into the clean channel on a SS amp if its overdrive sucks
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how much did it cost??
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Personally I think the Korg / Vox modelling also sounds way better than the POD.
Possibly it's because I found that the Line 6 Twang didn't twang and the Crunch didn't crunch for me.
Rob...
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just out of interest; kilby you said you think vox/korg modelling sounds are better then the POD. well recently i got a zoom ps-04 little recording thing with built in effects/amp modelling and i chose that over a similar priced korg one. now i dont know much at all about modelling so i was just wondering what the difference was between zoom and korg when it comes to modelling?
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yer both their branches are fairly near me. so you know about coda music then or did you just click on the link and see them??
I got my '67 SG junior from there, although I think that's the only expensiveish purchase I've made there to be honest. But it's pretty cool, especially sice they moved the Luton one into a bigger store. They stock bare knuckles too I think, which is always good.
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yer they do stock BKP's. the staff are really cool which is more than can be said for the guys at machinehead!!!! :evil: bar-stewards!!!!
oh also- a little tip- if your skanky like me and dont have enough spare change to buy a pick lol, then play the final countdown by europe in the stevenage coda music branch and you get a free plectrum!!!! AMAZING!
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In most shops if you promise not to play the into to Stairway to Heaven, Smoke on the water or Paranoid you will probably get a free pick too.
As regards the difference in moddeling between Vox & Zoom, it's the same as any moddeling it's the sound that you hear that is the only real difference.
Rob...
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thanks yet again for the info rob.
another thing to add to your list of not to plays- the smells like teen spirit intro.
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And then there's the 'may I help you' riff.
Whenever I try somethig in a music shop, I always seem to get amnesia. I never know what the hell I should play.
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same for me ratrod!!! i sit there playing the couple of things that i DO remember over and over again lol. embarassing.
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I suffer from such bad nerves I can't even play in front of my kids or teachers :(
Everybody else just has that trouble when the record button gets pressed.
Rob...
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i get that too kilby but only if im trying to play something difficult lol. i can strum a few chords play a riff e.t.c but soloing is when i get nervous. i think it's coz when i started learning guitar i never really had the desire to learn loads of solos or anything- really strange?!?! while all other guitar players i knew wanted to learn the fast single-note stuff i was satisfied with just learning the tune/melody of a song i liked. also im the rhythm in my band so im not used to doing leads. quite weird overall now that i come to think of it.