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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: PhilKing on July 23, 2011, 05:53:47 PM
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Just heard that Amy Winehouse OD'd and died this afternoon. It's a sad waste of talent as she had a great voice. Just a shame she fell into drugs.
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I'm not gonna be a hypocrite - I thought she was just another waste of space junkie.
(http://www.howmuchdotheyweigh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Amy-Winehouse.jpg)
Drugs are Baaaadd, m,kay...
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I blame News Of The World. Probably hacked her phone and left messages telling her drugs are awesome. Andy Coulson was her dealer. It'll all come out.
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i'm with Phil, this is a real pity, but sadly inevitable. drugs are terrible things.
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That's sad. I saw her a few years ago on the telly, I didn't know much about her, but I think she'd already "made it" by then. Watching it I thought "WHAT a voice, and a presence... but, unless it's an act, looks like she might have problems in the future though...". I heard afterwards she already had a bit of reputation.
As far as I can remember, everything I heard about her after that was to do with her problems. Never heard/saw her perform like that again...
It's very sad, on the strength of what I saw, I do think she was very talented. But it's all gone now... I feel most sad for her - that no one was able to help her to help herself :(
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Has the cause of death actually been determined? Obviously she has a reputation with drugs but last I heard the death was being treated as unexplained.
Maybe the silver lining is that some of the kids who thought of her as a role model might get a bit of a shock.
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Very sad. Why people around her didn't take care of her.
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A real shame. Just a young lassie.
It's a shame with todays media and in the advent of camera phones and whatnot that Hendrix is simply a legend and Winehouse is just a junkie.
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I don't quite get you. Hendrix was not a junkie and he revolutionised guitar playing for all times, thus earning legendary status. Amy Winehouse was a burned out junkie with a moderate degree of talent who would have been long forgotten but for her tabloid antics. The better analogy surely is Janis Joplin.
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I think that lots of people DID try to help her but ultimately she chose to go her own way.
Personally I find it difficult to find much sympathy - people use the word 'tragedy' but when you see more than 90 people lose their lives in Norway just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, somehow AW just seems somewhat of an irrelevance....
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Seems to me she was someone who had some talent and perhaps the potential to achieve greater things, but got vastly overhyped (just like Joss Stone, Adele, Duffy and all these other solo singers who've emerged the last few years).
And then she self-destructed, which became the story instead of the music and just added to the hype - "oh just think what she might have done if only....", when in fact she might have done nothing at all. And now we'll never know either way.
They couldn't save her but still, her father got to make an album out of it all, eh?
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I don't quite get you. Hendrix was not a junkie and he revolutionised guitar playing for all times, thus earning legendary status. Amy Winehouse was a burned out junkie with a moderate degree of talent who would have been long forgotten but for her tabloid antics. The better analogy surely is Janis Joplin.
He was a famous musician who caused his own death through over-indulgence. The same might be said of plenty other 60's and 70's stars, and indeed 80's ones. The only difference is that they didn't have hangers on in the digital age to feed a media circus, otherwise all of their efforts would have been overshadowed by their partying and scandal too.
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In term of impact on music in general I'd say there isn't that much of a comparison between her and Hendrix. She might have been the big voice forming part of some kind of soul revival, but It's not like she was revolutionising music or playing in the way Hendrix did. Hendrix might not have had hangers on feeding the media circus, but thinking about it, it's almost like the facilities for help with addiction have increased along with the media's desire to know gorey details about celebrities dependencies. I guess if Hendrix wanted to go cold turkey the help and understanding available at the time would be somewhat inferior to what we have now?
Give it up by not taking it up. That's my message kids!
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...people use the word 'tragedy' but when you see more than 90 people lose their lives in Norway just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, somehow AW just seems somewhat of an irrelevance....
My thoughts exactly!
Also, 2 "good for the period" albums that don't hold a place among the all time greats + a trainwreck of a life do not a legend make.
She was a poor facsimile of "legend"
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still, her father got to make an album out of it all, eh?
That man always creeped me out... he just loved the attention he got by reflection.
I bet the royalties/interview requests he will receive and accept in the next year will allow him space to grieve. :roll:
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...people use the word 'tragedy' but when you see more than 90 people lose their lives in Norway just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, somehow AW just seems somewhat of an irrelevance....
My thoughts exactly!
Sympathy isn't finite. I've shed a metaphorical tear for both sad events. The loss of any and all life is tragic.
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Demise of Amy "GG Allin" Whinehouse
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I don't think Amy Winehouse and GG Allin really went about their business in similar ways.
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The pathetic public "Grief Carnival" is in full effect in Camden now... People leaving flowers & lighting candles while posing for pictures I find hard enough to stomach but...
LEAVING GODDAM BOTTLES OF BOOZE! ?
Why not a wrap of heroin and a syringe for good measure?
I'm SO close to throwing in the towel in my efforts to understand what the f**k has happened to the people in this country I used to love.
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I'm SO close to throwing in the towel in my efforts to understand what the f**k has happened to the people in this country I used to love.
The media combined with the digital age. Many people simply believe what they read and don't waste their energy on at least trying to read between the lines. It all adds up to an increasingly poor society where media 'darlings' are held up as the pinnacle of human life form. Very sad indeed.
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I don't think Amy Winehouse and GG Allin really went about their business in similar ways.
i know they did
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I think it's very sad. Before Winehouse female pop stars were all shitee but she brought some old school soul back to the charts and got a a lot of kids back into decent music again. I'm not sure what's wrong with people leaving flowers for a woman who has died. I wasn't a fan myself, but she had a good voice and a few good records and I'd be a massive hypocrite to say anything about her being a junkie with the amount of people in my record collection who were junkies too.
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The pathetic public "Grief Carnival" is in full effect in Camden now... People leaving flowers & lighting candles while posing for pictures I find hard enough to stomach but...
LEAVING GODDAM BOTTLES OF BOOZE! ?
Why not a wrap of heroin and a syringe for good measure?
I'm SO close to throwing in the towel in my efforts to understand what the f**k has happened to the people in this country I used to love.
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You'll be fine, just keep reading the Daily Mail :D
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The pathetic public "Grief Carnival" is in full effect in Camden now... People leaving flowers & lighting candles while posing for pictures I find hard enough to stomach but...
LEAVING GODDAM BOTTLES OF BOOZE! ?
Why not a wrap of heroin and a syringe for good measure?
I'm SO close to throwing in the towel in my efforts to understand what the f**k has happened to the people in this country I used to love.
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You don't have to love the people to love the country.
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...got a a lot of kids back into decent music again.
Ya think...Really? :?
(http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/22dappyLL1109_500x664.jpg)
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We were playing in Oxford at the time this was announced. I think it must have been our outrageous set that killed her. It nearly killed me, anyway!
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Hmmm...
When I posted, it was just after hearing the news and I was really sad "for her". I still am, but obviously it's worn off somewhat now, I didn't know her personally, life goes on, etc...
As to whether she deserves or is about to achieve "legendary" status - I really don't give a monkey's. I didn't feel it necessary to buy her CDs before, but I always thought I might get round to it (same as Billie Holliday and various other artistes that fill the same sort of hole). Possibly, the idea of comparing her to Jimi Hendrix on a forum populated by guitarists is a bit of a mistake, but I saw exactly what nfe meant, and I tend to agree with him. Outside the world of guitaring, Jimi Hendrix is NOT the huge legend we all regard him as - to the rest of the world he's some bloke that played guitar in the sixties and died in a possibly self-destructive manner. I personally regard him as hugely important, influential, etc, but the normal human beings (non-guitarists) that I know do not see him in that light at all.
There's also a generational thing involved here if we get into discussions about "worthiness" for legendary status. I had arguments with my parents over comparisons between Jimi Hendrix and Elvis and Buddy Holly (this was on the 10th Anniversary of his death, btw, seemed important stuff to me, but in hindsight it was just a marketing opportunity). They'd only heard of Hendrix because of me, and couldn't see any redeeming features in the music he made! They did not see that he'd done anything to "further" anything in comparison to what E and BH had done. As I got older, I found myself in the same boat as them - I don't know or remember when he died, but I found myself feeling "what is all this fuss about this tuneless tw@t Kurt Cobain? - so, he shot himself, get over it...". I wouldn't usually express that out loud, because I realise loads of people did find something very important in him and his music - and the fact I didn't and still don't does not make them wrong. Equally, now, there are people who think that Amy Winehouse's music was more important to them than some old gits long dead.
What makes me sad is a talented individual has gone. It seems she wasn't a very happy girl. I don't feel sad for her for how it ended, I feel sad for the sad girl and whatever it is she went through in her life to get her there. I know what that sh1t feels like - we ALL do - but somehow I managed to cope with it, somehow I've never been attracted by the idea of alcohol or drugs representing any sort of solution, somehow I managed to hold back from ending everything myself and can no longer see how on earth I might have thought it was a good idea.
I'm sad for the girl that for some reason represents all that to me. The day before she died, she didn't represent any of that. It took her dying for it to do that. And in a few days it will pass easily and I'll forget all about it. :(
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Whether she is "worthy" of legend status or not is pointless to discuss, really. You can bet your granddad's handlestache that she WILL have it whether you like it or not.
It's the same bloody thing that happens every time someone dies, and it's not going to change anytime soon. All of a sudden everyone's a fan, saying "RIP Amy" on their various social sites, blah-di-blah-di-blaaah. Labels will push some commemorative releases down people's throats, unreleased b-sides and scr@pped rarities will be released and so on and on. And worst of all, people will start putting her on a pedestal and forget the fact that her undeniably sad and untimely demise was ultimately her own fault due to poor lifestyle choices. That's the REAL tragedy in my opinion; Famous people that die get relegated to some quasi-saint status, and the poor buggers are never allowed to truly rest in peace. Not as long as labels can make money off them.
Yeah, I'm a cynical old git, I know.
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Which is precisely why the best thing that could happen to Macca is for him to take his shitety self off to some deserted island and die alone so we don't have to be abused by cretinous lumps playing the $%&#ing frog chorus on repeat when he finally pops his clogs. There are very few people of whom I think 'the world would have been a much better place had you not been born', but macca, all traffic wardens and Robert Mugabe are up there...
As for Amy, well I don't know her, I have no feelings on the matter other than it's obviously going to be sad for the family, and a shame that so many people seem to 'care' such that it makes newspaper headlines.
Dealing with grief in private is bad enough. To have that grief laid out in the tabloids? No thanks.
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It won't be the Frog Chorus, Roo. Obviously, it might pop up once or twice, but it's not the worst thing that could happen...
There'll be some Beatles stuff, and lots of clips of lovable moptops from Help and Hard Day's Night...
However, I strongly suspect that the song we all really have to fear on that day will be "Ebony and Ivory".
And every tribute program will have The Long And Winding Road in it, and they'll all have The End from Abbey Road on the closing shot (a freeze frame of a young mop-top McCartney, possibly even pre-beatles, and the caption showing the years).
Yep, you're going to have to unplug your telly and radio (and not buy a paper) for at least two weeks! :lol:
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It won't be the Frog Chorus, Roo. Obviously, it might pop up once or twice, but it's not the worst thing that could happen...
No, the worst would be "Temporary Secretary" - a song so irritating that I heard it only once, in 1980, but it managed to burn its hideously trite chorus indelibly into my brain. :(
However, I strongly suspect that the song we all really have to fear on that day will be "Ebony and Ivory".
Always in tandem with its Evil Twin, "The Girl is Mine" (I know Macca didn't write that one). Makes me grind my teeth every time I hear that stupid word "doggone". :x
And plenty of other Sugary Bilge (my standard term for McCartney's entire post-Beatles career) to choose from.
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we might have to contend with his wacko-jacko duet, Say Say Say or possibly Pipes Of Piece.
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we might have to contend with his wacko-jacko duet, Say Say Say or possibly Pipes Of Piece.
I have a bit of fondness for Pipes of Peace. Reminds me of Christmas when I was younger, I can see why some people don't like it though!
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we might have to contend with his wacko-jacko duet, Say Say Say or possibly Pipes Of Piece.
I have a bit of fondness for Pipes of Peace. Reminds me of Christmas when I was younger, I can see why some people don't like it though!
Me too! Just blinking well shut up about McCartney, you lot!!!
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It was that Roo bloke, he started it! :lol:
I'm a big fan of Sir Paul (I even like the Frog Chorus! :roll:). Not so fond of the duet stuff he's done, but overall, Macca's one of THE men as far as I'm concerned... and I don't care who knows it :lol:
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As long as Ringo doesn't pop his clogs, and we don't all have to endure tributes to his vast contribution to pop culture... by having to listen to monotonal excerpts of Thomas of the Tank Engine narration.
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"Wings, only the band the Beatles could have been..." (Alan Partridge)
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I nearly mentioned that.
Them blokes above mentioned Pipes of Piece, but for me it's Mull of Kintyre, tis the sound of Christmas from when I was 14. It's an awful song if you try to sing it yourself, an absolute dirge, but twas a superb single.
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I wonder if anybody had life insurance policies running on her. They do on Walmart employes apparently, AW was kind of a sure deal she wouldn't last very long.
I just hope the record company won't be as shockingly making money of this as they were in the case of Michael Jackson's death.
Some nice pictures of then and now Amy.
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You know all this talk of re releases and lost b sides etc.
Has really got me dreading when Rick Astley dies.
That will be the start of a whole new wave or Rick rolling which i am not looking forward to
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All this blabbing about the attention she is getting...yet you guys yourself are already on page 3 here. PDT_038
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I wonder if anybody had life insurance policies running on her. They do on Walmart employes apparently, AW was kind of a sure deal she wouldn't last very long.
I just hope the record company won't be as shockingly making money of this as they were in the case of Michael Jackson's death.
Some nice pictures of then and now Amy.
Wow, I'd completely that she was actually more or less a stone-cold fox before the drugs and ridiculous beehive hair.
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I still actually really quite sad about this. Which is bizarre. I always think people dying is a a great shame, whoever they might be, but I never actually feel particularly sad about it. Odd. She reminds me of someone though (not an addict) and of a few others (who are/have been) and she's my age so I guess that's it.
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I still actually really quite sad about this. Which is bizarre. I always think people dying is a a great shame, whoever they might be, but I never actually feel particularly sad about it. Odd. She reminds me of someone though (not an addict) and of a few others (who are/have been) and she's my age so I guess that's it.
So you're 27?
Bugger, I was hoping to see Chronocide live sometime :lol:
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So you're 27?
Bugger, I was hoping to see Chronocide live sometime :lol:
Eh? What difference does his age make?
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I still actually really quite sad about this. Which is bizarre. I always think people dying is a a great shame, whoever they might be, but I never actually feel particularly sad about it. Odd. She reminds me of someone though (not an addict) and of a few others (who are/have been) and she's my age so I guess that's it.
So you're 27?
Bugger, I was hoping to see Chronocide live sometime :lol:
You worried he's going to join the 27 club... or because the average life expectancy in Scotland is something like 32 years?
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I still actually really quite sad about this. Which is bizarre. I always think people dying is a a great shame, whoever they might be, but I never actually feel particularly sad about it. Odd. She reminds me of someone though (not an addict) and of a few others (who are/have been) and she's my age so I guess that's it.
Although it's worn off for me now, I too was surprisingly affected by it. I'm quite matter-of-fact about death, and I don't often feel much in the way of personal sadness when someone goes - even when I know them or am related to them. And to be honest I didn't really give a bugger about her or her music or her antics, I'd usually avoid any headlines about her... She didn't mean anything in my little world... until I heard about her death... and then I was actually in tears when I told my missus about it ten minutes later. She was visibly upset too.
Years ago I knew some folk who could have ended up like she has - they might even have done so for all I know. I did wonder whether that has anything to do with it, but I don't think it does in my case... (and I'm old enough to be her Dad! :lol:)
Still, whatever it is, the journey she decided to take and then the way she went, it's touched a nerve somewhere.
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I still actually really quite sad about this. Which is bizarre. I always think people dying is a a great shame, whoever they might be, but I never actually feel particularly sad about it. Odd. She reminds me of someone though (not an addict) and of a few others (who are/have been) and she's my age so I guess that's it.
So you're 27?
Bugger, I was hoping to see Chronocide live sometime :lol:
You worried he's going to join the 27 club... or because the average life expectancy in Scotland is something like 32 years?
Ah, understood! :lol:
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I still actually really quite sad about this. Which is bizarre. I always think people dying is a a great shame, whoever they might be, but I never actually feel particularly sad about it. Odd. She reminds me of someone though (not an addict) and of a few others (who are/have been) and she's my age so I guess that's it.
Although it's worn off for me now, I too was surprisingly affected by it. I'm quite matter-of-fact about death, and I don't often feel much in the way of personal sadness when someone goes - even when I know them or am related to them. And to be honest I didn't really give a bugger about her or her music or her antics, I'd usually avoid any headlines about her... She didn't mean anything in my little world... until I heard about her death... and then I was actually in tears when I told my missus about it ten minutes later. She was visibly upset too.
I know what you mean, I've occasionally - and unexpectedly - felt quite sad about the deaths of famous people (though can't think of any examples now). I'm unmoved in the case of Amy Winehouse though, I'm afraid.
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I still actually really quite sad about this. Which is bizarre. I always think people dying is a a great shame, whoever they might be, but I never actually feel particularly sad about it. Odd. She reminds me of someone though (not an addict) and of a few others (who are/have been) and she's my age so I guess that's it.
So you're 27?
Bugger, I was hoping to see Chronocide live sometime :lol:
You worried he's going to join the 27 club... or because the average life expectancy in Scotland is something like 32 years?
Hahahaha, well played sir. Well played indeed!
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I still actually really quite sad about this. Which is bizarre. I always think people dying is a a great shame, whoever they might be, but I never actually feel particularly sad about it. Odd. She reminds me of someone though (not an addict) and of a few others (who are/have been) and she's my age so I guess that's it.
Although it's worn off for me now, I too was surprisingly affected by it. I'm quite matter-of-fact about death, and I don't often feel much in the way of personal sadness when someone goes - even when I know them or am related to them. And to be honest I didn't really give a bugger about her or her music or her antics, I'd usually avoid any headlines about her... She didn't mean anything in my little world... until I heard about her death... and then I was actually in tears when I told my missus about it ten minutes later. She was visibly upset too.
I know what you mean, I've occasionally - and unexpectedly - felt quite sad about the deaths of famous people (though can't think of any examples now). I'm unmoved in the case of Amy Winehouse though, I'm afraid.
Same here, though generally only people who I admire to some degree. Humphrey Lyttelton and Willie Rushton for example. About Willie Rushton, here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/clue/article/willie.shtml): He is greatly missed.
I still wear my 2007 ISIHAC "humph" T-shirt with pride.
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EDIT: Nevermind I replied before noticing there was another page of replies explaining the 27 club reference :lol:
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been to see her a couple of times with the wife and its always been a good show.
although the last time we went, 4 years ago i think, the backing singers were really carrying her, but there were really good. and she had developed that odd stagger/dance
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Vodka + cocaine + 6 inch heels = DANCING!!!!!