Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Crunch on July 27, 2011, 07:22:10 AM
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I did a quick search and didn't see any speaker discussion. We can't go forgetting the last piece of the tone chain.
What are your favourite speakers? Why?
What speakers have you been thinking about obtaining?
I have collected 3 Celestion Sidewinder S12-150s and two EVM 15Bs and love how much power they have. It's nice knowing that I will likely never find an amp that will bring them to their knees. The bass response is tight and thick (like the legs of a soccer chick), with a heaving midrange and smooth highs.
They're a great pairing to my down-tuned and Muff-driven sound.
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True, there haven't been many speaker discussions in recent months, but there have been LOADS over past few years for sure.
In any case, I'll play: 2x celestion G12K-100 and 2x EVM12L black label in X pattern. I've also got a Celestion 2x15 bass speaker cab into which I added 2x wharfedale 8" woofers, so that completes the full stack.
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True, there haven't been many speaker discussions in recent months, but there have been LOADS over past few years for sure.
In any case, I'll play: 2x celestion G12K-100 and 2x EVM12L black label in X pattern. I've also got a Celestion 2x15 bass speaker cab into which I added 2x wharfedale 8" woofers, so that completes the full stack.
I'd rather not bump a rotting thread. I did skim through a few, though.
What cabinet have you crammed those 12s into? So, the 15s have been replaced by 8s, or...
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Celestion Golds are my speaker of choice. I've got two in a Matamp 2x12, and an X-pattern of Golds and G12H Heritages in my Matamp 4x12.
I've not played anything better for bluesy-rocky tones.
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i was dicking around with speakers for a while. then i decided to spend (actually quite a bit) of coin on two second hand mesa boogie theile cabinets with EV12L speakers in. worth every penny - they were exactly the sound I was looking for. originally, i was going to sell one of the cabs to recoup some of the outlay - but I liked the tone so much that I've decided to keep both!
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True, there haven't been many speaker discussions in recent months, but there have been LOADS over past few years for sure.
In any case, I'll play: 2x celestion G12K-100 and 2x EVM12L black label in X pattern. I've also got a Celestion 2x15 bass speaker cab into which I added 2x wharfedale 8" woofers, so that completes the full stack.
I'd rather not bump a rotting thread. I did skim through a few, though.
What cabinet have you crammed those 12s into? So, the 15s have been replaced by 8s, or...
the 4x12 is in a peavey 5150-slant cab, the other cab is 2x15" + 2x8" - I cut 2 8" holes into a marshall 2x15" bass cab. :)
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the 4x12 is in a peavey 5150-slant cab, the other cab is 2x15" + 2x8" - I cut 2 8" holes into a marshall 2x15" bass cab. :)
That's crazy. What 15's are they, specifically?
Furthermore, where can I hear this?
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don't get on with Celestions or British style speakers myself - I like the Webers versions of old Jensens or the Patriot range from Eminence, specifically Texas Heats or Red, White and Blues.
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I've only ever really used G12H30s for the past 4-5 years! I've played through T75 cabs (marshall 1960s) and they sounded rubbish to me, hollow and weak - in fact my compact 2x12 with the h30s sounds bigger in a band situation especially when you take the back off the cab.
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the 4x12 is in a peavey 5150-slant cab, the other cab is 2x15" + 2x8" - I cut 2 8" holes into a marshall 2x15" bass cab. :)
That's crazy. What 15's are they, specifically?
Furthermore, where can I hear this?
http://www.myspace.com/13gauge
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At moment have a matamp 2x10 loaded with celestion G10's which has always been great alrounder for band.(Was running a rocker 30 through that) Now have a 6v6 18-36w MJW roadstar giant combo with eminence wizard (bright red thing) sounds great full sounding, great bass sounds like 2x12. Before that was a orange 2x12 tried few combo of speaker in that settled with G12K 100 and a jensen C12k 100 (weird combo you may say had jensen kicking around tried with c12k and loved it)
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I've owned several different cabs, and played tons more. Nothing sounds better to my ears than the humble Celestion G12T75.
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Taydens are my speaker of choice at the moment, tried most of the celestions (except the higher end ones) and they didn't cut it for me. I got me a Tayden Brit & true brit in a 2 x 12"...lovely sounding!
Gotta say though, at some point I might try the eminence's as some of those sound ace
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the 4x12 is in a peavey 5150-slant cab, the other cab is 2x15" + 2x8" - I cut 2 8" holes into a marshall 2x15" bass cab. :)
That's crazy. What 15's are they, specifically?
Furthermore, where can I hear this?
http://www.myspace.com/13gauge
Cheque's in the post! :D
Although actually I didn't use the bass cab on that particular recording. Next one I shall insist that all 4 speaker types get used, especially now I have the aftermath (that recording was with the miracle man) :)
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I've mainly been using G12T75s and Vin30s, with the heavy favorite being the G12T75. Just this past Saturday I did pick up two new Warehouse Guitar speakers which are supposed to be "improved" versions of both, the HM75 and the Veteran 30. I have to say that at half the price of a Celestion, they may as well dominate. The Vet 30 has more bass, but is not flubby. The grating high-mid spike is not there, but the mids are just as present. Everything I don't like about the Vin30 is gone and the rest is pretty much intact. The HM75 is just wonderful. It's like a cleaner, warmer and more hi-fi version of a G12T75. That high end sizzle the Celestion is known for is reduced, but it still feels crispy. The baskets on these things are thicker than the Celestions. Neither cr@pped out at high volume either. I'm not gonna go selling my Celestions any time soon, but these things are top notch. I get the feeling the Celestions would do a bit better cutting through live and the Warehouses would do a bit better in a recording.
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the 4x12 is in a peavey 5150-slant cab, the other cab is 2x15" + 2x8" - I cut 2 8" holes into a marshall 2x15" bass cab. :)
That's crazy. What 15's are they, specifically?
Furthermore, where can I hear this?
http://www.myspace.com/13gauge
Cheque's in the post! :D
Although actually I didn't use the bass cab on that particular recording. Next one I shall insist that all 4 speaker types get used, especially now I have the aftermath (that recording was with the miracle man) :)
next time I'll let you use my Tele if you ask nicely :lol:
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From all speakers I tried, the original Greenbacks in my '73 Marshall cab get my vote. They work for any style, even bad baddd metal, and sound amazing at any volume (better when turned up, obviously).
I'd love to try some M75s from Scumback though, but shipping from US kills it.
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I've not much experience at all with cabs, most of the time it was at gigs, and I didn't really take note of what the cab was, I just played. Two notable ones though I suppose was I played a Marshall MG half stack, and absolutely as reported, it sounded like canned bees :lol:, the other notable one being I played a Marshall TSL half stack and was mighty impressed at the time.
Just ordered my very first cab that I will actually own though ! The Crate 120 watt FW4x12b. I got it for an absolute bargain of a price at £75. So I know it's not the greatest cab in the world, but I couldn't *not* buy it at that price. Hopefully my Blackstar ht 100 head will make up for any shortcomings the Crate may have.
Strange and probably stupid question to ask you amp gurus....
I know the Crate Flexwave head is a Solid State amp, and it's the matching cab that I've bought. I also know the Blackstar HT100 that I have and will be using the Crate cab with, is a valve amp. Will this cause any issues? I'm guessing probably not, because the cab can run 120 watts, and the head is only 100 watts. I'm just speculating that maybe a Valve amp runs a little hotter than a Solid State amp and the cab might suffer through that? Maybe just at high volumes. Or maybe not at all. Can anyone clear that up?
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I've not much experience at all with cabs, most of the time it was at gigs, and I didn't really take note of what the cab was, I just played. Two notable ones though I suppose was I played a Marshall MG half stack, and absolutely as reported, it sounded like canned bees :lol:, the other notable one being I played a Marshall TSL half stack and was mighty impressed at the time.
Just ordered my very first cab that I will actually own though ! The Crate 120 watt FW4x12b. I got it for an absolute bargain of a price at £75. So I know it's not the greatest cab in the world, but I couldn't *not* buy it at that price. Hopefully my Blackstar ht 100 head will make up for any shortcomings the Crate may have.
Strange and probably stupid question to ask you amp gurus....
I know the Crate Flexwave head is a Solid State amp, and it's the matching cab that I've bought. I also know the Blackstar HT100 that I have and will be using the Crate cab with, is a valve amp. Will this cause any issues? I'm guessing probably not, because the cab can run 120 watts, and the head is only 100 watts. I'm just speculating that maybe a Valve amp runs a little hotter than a Solid State amp and the cab might suffer through that? Maybe just at high volumes. Or maybe not at all. Can anyone clear that up?
You'll be fine, mate. Speakers are speakers. Just make sure the impedance is matched when you plug into a valve amp, or you could ruin it.
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My favourite speakers are my WGS Retro 30's. I have tried Vintage 30's, G12H30's and some Eminence Cannabis Rex's. The WGS speakers surpass Celestion in every way possible.
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Cheers, Crunch. :)
Yeah, I checked what ohm outputs the cab had before purchase, it matches my head in that regard, so it's all cool.
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I have used a few different speakers.
The celestion t75 while nice and chunky is a bit too harsh.
The eminence version however the MAN O WAR is possibly my favourite speaker for any amp other than my own as its a bright amp + a speaker with a fair bit of high end = bad times
Im currently using a peavey 2x12 with vintage 30s whilst they are nice theres something that i just dont like about them but i cant narrow it down to anything specific.
My next purchase is going to be some eminence legend v128s.
I would like to the the black labels that Roo has but i just cant justify spending that on a speaker
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V30s, followed fairly distantly by T75s, depending on my mood and the application.
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V30s, followed fairly distantly by T75s, depending on my mood and the application.
What made you stick to V30s and sell your other speakers?
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Cheers, Crunch. :)
Yeah, I checked what ohm outputs the cab had before purchase, it matches my head in that regard, so it's all cool.
Solid states are not too picky. My mate got into a nasty habit of not taking note and blew out a Peavey XXX.
I would like to the the black labels that Roo has but i just cant justify spending that on a speaker
It has Zakk Wylde's name on it. What do you expect?
The original EVM 12L's are just about as good (they're what he's been using for years).
If you can find someone naive with some Celestion Sidewinders, try to snag those up. They're eerily similar.
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Cheers, Crunch. :)
Yeah, I checked what ohm outputs the cab had before purchase, it matches my head in that regard, so it's all cool.
Solid states are not too picky. My mate got into a nasty habit of not taking note and blew out a Peavey XXX.
I would like to the the black labels that Roo has but i just cant justify spending that on a speaker
It has Zakk Wylde's name on it. What do you expect?
The original EVM 12L's are just about as good (they're what he's been using for years).
If you can find someone naive with some Celestion Sidewinders, try to snag those up. They're eerily similar.
ahh thanks for that i wasnt aware of that. And i didn't even think to look at the standard range. The only thing i know about the EVM speakers is what Roo has said i've never looked into them other than seeing that price and think oh my :S
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ahh thanks for that i wasnt aware of that. And i didn't even think to look at the standard range. The only thing i know about the EVM speakers is what Roo has said i've never looked into them other than seeing that price and think oh my :S
I can't quite be bothered to look around for some graphs, but it's relatively easy to figure out what kind of qualities a speaker will have by looking at response graphs.
Colour me paranoid, but I would assume that EV doesn't have the graphs for the 12Ls on their site to keep people from realising just how similar the speakers are.
The draw of the 12Ls is their headroom. 300W RMS is massive. However, this is beneficial if you subscribe to the opinion that high powered speakers sound better than the naturally distorted low-powered speakers being pushed a bit too hard. Usually, the early break-up turns lows into mud and highs into razor blades.
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ahh thanks for that i wasnt aware of that. And i didn't even think to look at the standard range. The only thing i know about the EVM speakers is what Roo has said i've never looked into them other than seeing that price and think oh my :S
I can't quite be bothered to look around for some graphs, but it's relatively easy to figure out what kind of qualities a speaker will have by looking at response graphs.
Colour me paranoid, but I would assume that EV doesn't have the graphs for the 12Ls on their site to keep people from realising just how similar the speakers are.
The draw of the 12Ls is their headroom. 300W RMS is massive. However, this is beneficial if you subscribe to the opinion that high powered speakers sound better than the naturally distorted low-powered speakers being pushed a bit too hard. Usually, the early break-up turns lows into mud and highs into razor blades.
I know about reading the frequency graphs etc.
What i should have said is i havent actually looked at any of the other speakers.