Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: fltlll on August 25, 2011, 11:08:53 AM
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Currently, I have an AM in a Schecter C-1 Classic (mahogany body, neck-thru w/maple top) and I love it: super tight, and awesome clarity. I'm putting a new set of pickups in an Ibanez SV-420, which has a thin Saber series mahogany body and a maple neck. I want something with some more grind/aggression in the mids, which leads me to believe I should try the painkiller. Any thoughts? I'm also open for recommendations for a neck pickup, but I might just be lazy and get a matched set.
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It sounds to me like a War Pig would do the trick fairly well too. It is after all what the AM is based off.
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It sounds to me like a War Pig would do the trick fairly well too. It is after all what the AM is based off.
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Really?
Different wire gauges
Three ceramic magnets on the AM compared to the WP's lone alnico magnet
Granted they both have double row of screws going right through the baseplate which does beef up the low mids
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i can only agree with feline..
but anyway - it depends where you'd like your mid grind to be - lower, middle or upper?
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It sounds to me like a War Pig would do the trick fairly well too. It is after all what the AM is based off.
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Really?
Different wire gauges
Three ceramic magnets on the AM compared to the WP's lone alnico magnet
Granted they both have double row of screws going right through the baseplate which does beef up the low mids
Ok, then I seem to have completely misunderstood! :lol:
Feel free to ignore me on this topic from now on.
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I was looking into the Warpig, but the DC Resistance seems to be WAY high (so it's hot with not much top end sparkle) and the bass seems like it would flub out on me. Granted, I only tune down to drop C (not drop H or any of that shite), so the bass might not be overwhelming.
As far as styles go, I'm shooting to have this guitar cover stuff like old/new hardcore, screamo like Ampere/Orchid, Powerviolence, and other fast-tempo stuff. I also like to randomly do lots of alt-picking meedley stuff a-la Pablo Gilberto.
Who knows, if these new pickups are more my thing than the AM, I might have to let it go to someone in the States!
EDIT: As far as grind goes, I guess it would be more mid? I'd be affraid that low-end grind might make it lose clarity, while high end would render it shrill.
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From the Painkiller description:
The ultimate high output 'Djent' humbucker with raw and focused grinding crunch, extremely fast bass response and aggressive upper mid impact.
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I've not tried the painkiller so can't specifically comment on that, but I found the Miracle Man to have very grindy aggressive mids, particularly the lower mids. Fairly smoothish top end, big bottom end (doesn't flub, but isn't as surgical as the AM by a fair way). I play in Drop A, occasionally drop E, and the miracle man was pretty tight there (multiscale baritone though...).
Painkiller or Miracle Man would be the two options that spring to mind based purely on the 'grindy mids alternative to AM' requirement.
Roo
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Painkiller would be good
Also - Ceramic Warpig would be good too
Ceramic magnet tightens up the bass flub a lot and adds a bit of crispness on the top end
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i reckon the painkiller would be worth a shot too.
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I put a c-pig in my 7 string BC Rich. It's a V with mahogany wings, maple neck through and ebony fretboard. It offers a lot of bass and I messed about for a while trying to control it. It's tuned to B and I've found it doesn't get muddy. I was playing Fear Factory song Replica on the K-stein modelling on my 60 Watt Vypyr and it sounded good especially with my cr@ppy playing. Really nice palm muted sound. I've grown to love the c-pig especially now I have a better amp :)
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If you aren't already using a graphic EQ - buy one. It will allow you to tune-in your grind in the mids.
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If you aren't already using a graphic EQ - buy one. It will allow you to tune-in your grind in the mids.
I've actually got one built in to my amp (Mesa 2C+). I don't set it the usual way (which is to scoop the middle slider almost entirely);I scoop the middle slider just a little bit and up the shite out of the 2nd highest slider. I've got a pretty damn aggressive tone as-is, but I was wondering if there would be something "better" that the Painkiller has to offer.
Once again, not saying that the AM doesn't wreck all kinds of shite! I just need a second set of pickups for a new guitar, and I would feel rather silly to not try something different!
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Painkiller screams grindy mids to me - the ones my mate had in his Les Paul did that.
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Definitely a situation for the Painkiller
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Awesome, so I guess Painkiller is the winner!
Now, what should I get to match it in the neck? I know the calibrated set is the "duh" choice, but does it have awesome clarity? I've got a humbucker from hell paired with the AM in the C-1 and it is a pretty cool combination (just a basis for what I'm talking about).
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I really, really love my painkiller. just rememrber that it has to be ridicously close to the strings to show its real potential :-)
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I really, really love my painkiller. just rememrber that it has to be ridicously close to the strings to show its real potential :-)
That's actually surprising to hear! I've read many people saying how finicky BKP's are to height, but most people seem to suggest keeping them pretty low. I've always had my pickups pretty low to begin with, so it was never an issue; in fact, when I first installed my AM, I levelled it pretty low (before I had even restrung it) and when I plugged it in, I found it to be perfect as-is.
So what do you use for the neck pickup? Does your guitar even have a neck pickup? :lol:
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My neck pickup is disconnected on that g uitar. and the pickup is soldered directly to the jack input. the piickup is approximatly 4 mm from the strings
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My neck pickup is disconnected on that g uitar. and the pickup is soldered directly to the jack input. the piickup is approximatly 4 mm from the strings
4mm is about the right distance from the strings in my experience, though I wouldn't say that is ridiculously close (just normal/optimal setting for a humbucker in my experience).
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Dare I suggest the Miracle Man? I thought a lot of screamo bands use EMG... Painkiller could be too tight, not enough beef for you.
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Dare I suggest the Miracle Man? I thought a lot of screamo bands use EMG... Painkiller could be too tight, not enough beef for you.
I think you might be thinking of the popular definition of "screamo", like underoath and stuff like that. Ampere / orchid / hot cross use single coils (pretty damn sure, or maybe humbs in parallel?).
Now, I'm more thinking about getting a set of VHII for that guitar, and adding a 5-way super-switch to get the most out of coil taps / parallel / whatev. Would I be crazy?
I'd love a guitar that could coax some old King's X tones, not to mention shite like Dillinger Escape Plan.
For an example of the tone I had pre-AM, check my soundcloud.
www.soundcloud.com/fltlll
Oddly enough, that was recorded with a neck-model seymour duncan Jazz in the bridge (I took the stock JB out, moved the Jazz down, and put a humbucker from hell in the neck).
All the reviews of the VHII sounding very "single coil" are slowly convincing me... ALSO, feel like making a custom tele.
GAS