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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: emaushenric on September 03, 2011, 01:18:09 AM

Title: Trying to nail the Cameron tone - Finished!
Post by: emaushenric on September 03, 2011, 01:18:09 AM
It is nearly impossible to get a Cameron modded amp here in Sweden so I have to try to nail the tone by myself.

I have a Tommy Folkesson Modded Laney PA 100 that sounds killer and now I want the Cameron sound to  :)

I have bought another Laney PA 100 to use as a platform to build a three channel amp. I have desoldered most of the stock components and built it up from the start.
The plan is to nail the Cameron HG José and Aldrich sound and maybe early Van Halen sound on the third channel.


(http://forumbilder.se/images/ef820111219050d34.jpg)

(http://forumbilder.se/images/08820111220593837.jpg)

(http://forumbilder.se/images/7e82011122148a7b6.jpg)

(http://forumbilder.se/images/f4520111001158118.jpg)


I have started with the "Aldrich-channel", here are two clips I recorded:
Four gain stages with anode follower.


http://www.netmusicians.org/files/58-Laney%20new%201.mp3

http://www.netmusicians.org/files/48-Laney%20new%202.mp3

Finished channel 2 today:


Here is a clip of both channels:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTf4bF9417I


Channel 2 with max gain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yQNAbmKz0k

It feels awesome to play it!   :D

Guitar: Greco EGF1000 with Bare Knuckle Nailbomb!

Tips and ideas are welcome!
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: Denim n Leather on September 03, 2011, 02:01:36 AM
Have you played a Cameron in person?
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: HTH AMPS on September 03, 2011, 02:04:44 AM
sounds really good, you're in the ballpark, but I think it needs to be more compressed for that kinda tone - Jose master volume with clipping diodes should do it.

Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: HTH AMPS on September 03, 2011, 02:06:28 AM
Have you played a Cameron in person?

I doubt it - he says in his first line that its nearly impossible to get such an amp in Sweden.  Fwiw, they're not exactly easy to find in the UK either.

Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: AndyR on September 03, 2011, 09:51:21 AM
I'd never even heard of them.

(To be honest, when I saw the thread title I thought "Just practice talking like an opinionated but somewhat ineffectual prat... you'll get there")

Anyway, on your amp, whether or not it sounds like a Cameron, it's sounding great :D

(EDIT: Not that I'm saying that David Cameron is an "opinionated but somewhat ineffectual prat", by the way, he just always sounds like one to me! :lol:)

Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: Telerocker on September 03, 2011, 01:27:12 PM
I never heard of them too, but this sounds really nice.
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: Denim n Leather on September 03, 2011, 02:50:04 PM
I have played a couple of Cameron amps at the last 2 NY Amp Shows. For high gain 80s style metal I thought they were great. The gain structure is very close to a Splawn Quick Rod. I prefer the QR, but there are enough high quality clips out there of the Splawn to help you dial it in.
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: Denim n Leather on September 03, 2011, 03:00:24 PM
Oh, and btw, I really like the lower gain setting, but it's hard to tell with the super lo-res mp3s. You should get a SoundCloud (http://soundcloud.com) account. It's free and allows you upload .wav and .aiff files.
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: JacksonRR on September 03, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
First off, I hate to send you off to another forum, but I think slocloneforums.com would another place to get some great responses. I know those boys would love you over there if you shared your project.
Secondly, wow what great sounds!
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: Dmoney on September 03, 2011, 08:46:44 PM
if by great responses you mean 'use the search function'. That forum is frustratingly SLOW. its a shame because so many people on there know what they are on about and it contains a lot of good info. The cameron/jose stuff has been mentioned a lot on there, although I dunno exactly what circuits those names refer to past the diode clipping master volume setup. I actually find forums like this with HTH and JPF much more helpful, and even forums were people are building more vintage vibe amps. I use sloclone as a kind of jumbled up encyclopedia of ideas or a kind of thrift store knowledge pool...

what you might be into, is the friedman Marsha schematic with the hairy brown eye mod.

Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: hunter on September 03, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
Hey you made it over here, nice to see another HRI dude at BKP :)

I am gasing badly for a Folkesson mod Marshall.
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: JacksonRR on September 03, 2011, 09:27:04 PM
if by great responses you mean 'use the search function'. That forum is frustratingly SLOW. its a shame because so many people on there know what they are on about and it contains a lot of good info. The cameron/jose stuff has been mentioned a lot on there, although I dunno exactly what circuits those names refer to past the diode clipping master volume setup. I actually find forums like this with HTH and JPF much more helpful, and even forums were people are building more vintage vibe amps. I use sloclone as a kind of jumbled up encyclopedia of ideas or a kind of thrift store knowledge pool...

what you might be into, is the friedman Marsha schematic with the hairy brown eye mod.



I must admit it is a pretty slow forum, but when you do get a response, it's more than likely on the money or close enough that you can take it from there. I wasn't in the slightest trying to undermine the big amp guys on here, just another way he could get some free info for his project.

edit:Nevermind, I see you had a thread there already!
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: hunter on September 03, 2011, 09:31:28 PM
Oh the forum to be for this kind of project is obviously http://forum.metroamp.com/

Fast and loads of circuit freaks over there.
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: Dmoney on September 03, 2011, 09:55:07 PM
if by great responses you mean 'use the search function'. That forum is frustratingly SLOW. its a shame because so many people on there know what they are on about and it contains a lot of good info. The cameron/jose stuff has been mentioned a lot on there, although I dunno exactly what circuits those names refer to past the diode clipping master volume setup. I actually find forums like this with HTH and JPF much more helpful, and even forums were people are building more vintage vibe amps. I use sloclone as a kind of jumbled up encyclopedia of ideas or a kind of thrift store knowledge pool...

what you might be into, is the friedman Marsha schematic with the hairy brown eye mod.




I must admit it is a pretty slow forum, but when you do get a response, it's more than likely on the money or close enough that you can take it from there. I wasn't in the slightest trying to undermine the big amp guys on here, just another way he could get some free info for his project.

edit:Nevermind, I see you had a thread there already!

I think its safe to say nobody thinks you were trying to undermine anyone. There is a lot of stuff to look through on the sloclone forums. would be more helpful the schematics were on there to reference against discussions but I understand why they aren't. I think the Marsha stuff on there would be helpful.

Yeah i have a thread on there but so far my problem hasn't been fixed. I'm going to try one or two more things and then call it a day I think.
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: metalmaniac93 on September 05, 2011, 04:50:17 PM
You might want to talk to Brad King about getting a CCV-100.  I have one on order, but I am in the US, so I do not know if he will ship overseas?   

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25&sid=1ab748d65b3072833231ac7a1358dd78
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: metalmaniac93 on September 05, 2011, 04:52:01 PM
Here is the Cameron Amplification website.

http://www.cameronamplifiers.com/
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: emaushenric on September 05, 2011, 06:00:09 PM
You might want to talk to Brad King about getting a CCV-100.  I have one on order, but I am in the US, so I do not know if he will ship overseas?   

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25&sid=1ab748d65b3072833231ac7a1358dd78

Hi!

Brad ships overseas but with all taxes and stuff here in Sweden I will have to pay around 4500-5000$ + shippingcost for a CCV!  :cry:
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: emaushenric on September 10, 2011, 04:11:24 PM
Some pics:

(http://forumbilder.se/images/9a0201141201P6a89.jpg)

(http://forumbilder.se/images/430201141614P645a.jpg)

(http://forumbilder.se/images/a60201141704P9048.jpg)

(http://forumbilder.se/images/830201141757Pb36d.jpg)

Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone
Post by: emaushenric on September 13, 2011, 10:54:59 PM
New clips!

Added tube fx-loop, channel switching and some tweaks to the circuit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nftj0-I-xp8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA44eRbxwvc
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone - New Youtube clips
Post by: emaushenric on September 21, 2011, 01:18:01 AM
First test of channel 1 today!
Still waiting on some components so it's not finished yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFGg1V_lEXY
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone - Almost finished!
Post by: emaushenric on October 05, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
Now it's almost finished!
Just need to find out what to do with a hole on channel 2 :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7nGf-F_JE
Title: Trying to nail the Cameron tone - Finished!
Post by: emaushenric on November 04, 2011, 09:53:19 PM
(http://forumbilder.se/images/c8420111011251948.jpg)

Now is the ugly amp finished!  :D

Here´s clips of all channels:
http://soundcloud.com/emaushenric

Channel 1: 1959
Channel 2: VH
Channel 3: José
Channel 4: Aldrich
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone - Finished!
Post by: Dmoney on November 04, 2011, 10:17:15 PM
sounds great.
are the channels all totally independent? Relay switching?
I see you went for bus bar heaters a la SLO. was that in there originally or did you do it?
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone - Finished!
Post by: emaushenric on November 04, 2011, 10:40:02 PM
sounds great.
are the channels all totally independent? Relay switching?
I see you went for bus bar heaters a la SLO. was that in there originally or did you do it?

1959 and VH are sharing eq but have there own gain and volume. All channels are built on separate preamp tubes except by 1959 and VH that are sharing tubes. Relay and photocoupler-switching.  The bus bar heater are originally.
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone - Finished!
Post by: gwEm on November 04, 2011, 10:42:32 PM
looks rather groovy 8)
Title: Re: Trying to nail the Cameron tone - Finished!
Post by: emaushenric on November 05, 2011, 01:09:15 PM
The clips are now working again!