Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: indysmith on January 22, 2006, 11:36:35 PM
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has anyone seen the new lines of les pauls and SGs?
http://www.gibson.com/Products/GibsonElectric/Gibson%20Electric%20Guitars/LesPaul/
http://www.gibson.com/Products/GibsonElectric/Gibson%20Electric%20Guitars/SG%20Specials/
scroll down on these pages and prepare to be disgusted aswell as angered at the new anaemic designs of the classics, aswell as the pure tackiness of them.
I'm also a bit pissed at Fender today but not as much. They've got a 60th anniversary stratocaster out this year... thats right - two years after their 50th anniversary stratocaster. however after a few seconds of research i realise that its to celebrate 60 years of Fender. They milk this stuff so hard its nipples are falling off. :shock:
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Erm...i saw those models earlier today, I actually quite liked them. I dig all kinds of weird, slightly off-centre guitars, so I thought they were actually kinda alright...
I'm assuming we're talking about the Vixen, Goddess etc models? I didn't like that mirror one much though. Having said that, mirror finishes generally photograph pretty badly - but when you see them in person they are pretty cool.
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Les pauls are so horrid to play on, easy one of the most difficult guitars to play imo, annoyingly difficult high fret access, generally sound bad, are too expensive, and look like granddad.
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I like Gibson necks though, for some reason. But I'd generally agree with you - they can be awkward, can sound bad, have bad fret access...but, I don't know, they just look cool to me. And there is something quite satisfying about holding a nice, thick, heavy guitar in your hands. Having said that, I'm craving for a strat...
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Is it me, or do most of the pictures look odd? What I mean is that the guitar looks out of proportion. Perhaps its bad HTML coding but they looked strange. I certainly didn't like the Menace models even though black is usually my thing - it looked like they were trying too hard. The SG Supreme still looks a nice instrument though.
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I think PRS ought to initiate legal action against Gibson for those double- cut Les Pauls.
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Cant say I think the newer models look like much chop, but still.... they really have to do something. The Les Paul range is somewhat stale.
Look at all the variations of Les Paul in the Epi range or How many Fender Strat variations there are. The actual gibson lineup is pretty dull.
Fair enough the Rose Sunburst LP looks absolute shitee but the rest of them may well have there place.
After all somebody out there must be buying the Polka-dot strat.
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that goddess SG looks horrible.some of the others dont look to bad.
i'd still never buy one even if i had all the money in the world though.
i was expecting Fender to release the broadcaster as the 60th annaversary model as the main one.thats the guitar that started it all apparently. i spose the strat is the most popular tho so they wud make more money out of using strats to 'celebrate' cough milk cough the occasion.
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I would have thought a broadcaster might come out - especially now fender own Gretsch and copyright issues no longer prevail...
If you want 60s anniversary Fender surely it has to be a lap steel and box amp - or the prototype solid body Fender was lending out to session musicians in the 40s :D
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Mmmm dont like the new ranges at all. Having said that I own only two guitars.....both Gibsons a faded flying v and a 2000 Les Paul Standard honeyburst. The V is great to play and light and it sounds awesome coz its fitted with a set of Crawlers. The Les Paul will be fitted with Mules when funds allow. Anyway for what mho is worth and if anyone is interested a few pics can be viewed at http://photos.wanadoo.co.uk/album/2324601.
Cheers
Keith
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I like Les Pauls. But, honestly, having so many variants is just silly.
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I like Les Pauls. But, honestly, having so many variants is just silly.
I agree. I know they have to have options available, but I wonder what percentage of Gibson LP Players own anything other than Standards, Classics or Customs!
It's the same with Fender. Don't they offer something like 50 different models of Strat?! :roll:
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What is that SG GT? Have you seen the "intake" on the bridge? Grrr... :evil:
Gibson make great guitars, but I'm now moving to Gordon Smiths as the better option. Made in the UK, same style and power and cheaper. Slot in some BKPs and get yourself a Gibson-beater :D
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I gotta admit, I don't mind the "Menace" ones, they're pretty cool I think, but at the same time, it's getting silly trying to revamp the Les Paul every few years. The "chick" versions are intresting, I'm sure they'll have their niche. But, considering their target market, and how most guitarists are guys, I don't think they'll sell, they'll accumulate value by becoming discontinued. I'm suprised that they did a new shape in the form of the Vegas, but I think Gibson needs to branch out a little more.
If I were to get another Gibson, it'd have to be pretty special, and would in all likelyhood be second hand.
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what about this new thing supposedly being released soon by gibson- the "digital" model??? in theory the idea's cool- being able to produce each string of the guitar as it's own track- but it seems that it kind of takes away some of the satisfaction of playing guitar, as though things are become too modernized in a way.. what u think everyone???
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I think the digital les paul will be a flop. most guitarists are right old traditionalists when it comes to gear! - why do we want a digital les paul??
Speaking of modernising gear, i have a £1000 bet with my mother that the AXL Thin amp thingy will fail, and by 2010 they're going to be out of business and out of production. NOBODY wants a flat, solid state combo amp - it's a guarenteed win for me, but she seems convinced that thin amps are gonna be the next big thing in guitarland :?
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£1000 bet on an amp!!! your parents must be doing alrite!
anyway never heard of those axl things but then again i havent heard of much. how much/what are they exactly?
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I gotta admit, I don't mind the "Menace" ones, they're pretty cool I think
The thing is they look like a copy of what ESP done with the Eclipse having a modern take on the Les Paul. When it comes down to it, the Menace is just a Studio with different hardware and a gimic fretboard and headstock inlay.
Now I thought the Voodoo looked nice. It was something different to what anybody else was doing, although I realise it wouldn't have appealed to some people.
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I think the digital les paul will be a flop. most guitarists are right old traditionalists when it comes to gear! - why do we want a digital les paul??
I think it will be a flop while it's USD 4000! After all, the digital LP is just a regular LP plus that hex pickup and all the whizbang stuff. And that's some very expensive digital whizbang! ;)
If it came way down in price, then they might have something. Some kind of technology like this is bound to eventually find a place in studio recording, at least.
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Speaking of modernising gear, i have a £1000 bet with my mother that the AXL Thin amp thingy will fail, and by 2010 they're going to be out of business and out of production. NOBODY wants a flat, solid state combo amp - it's a guarenteed win for me, but she seems convinced that thin amps are gonna be the next big thing in guitarland :?
Why wouldn't they be? Here's my problem - I live in the attic of a house, practice often in my room save for the odd audition/rehearsal. I can't drive, so getting my JCM8002x12 around town is a pain in the arse. A serious pain - especially when you don't have any parents to drive you around. And getting it up and down 2 flights of stairs is a pain in the arse, coupled with the fact that it's sheer size is faintly ridiculous for bedroom practising. Now, a thin amp that I could carry around in a bag to a gig would be a godsend.
And it's not just that. Tokyo is a commerce captial of the world, and the living space in inner-city areas is often incredibly small. Couple that with the fact that Japan is still kinda guitar crazy, and it wouldn't be a huge surprise if something like the AXL took off there. And if it did, then the whole design of 'thin amps' would presumably therefore be around for quite a while.
I'm just speculating, but I can see a market for something like the AXL. Modern consumerism is veering heavily towards smaller being best. Realistically, the major concern with something like the AXL is tone - and it's price point being so low means it's not being targeted at the only people who would realistically be critical of tone - the self-styled 'tone hounds' who would casually drop £2000 on a Matchless. Those people would never even look at a £100 amp, so its not like they would be losing their business. The people who would look at an AXL are people who need a small amp (which it is), a portable amp (which it is), or something cheap (which it also is). So it satisfies all the criteria upon which it is being marketed.
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go willo, its about time that bloody indy (richard) smith was taught a lesson. :P
i actually agree with you completely and like you said the only worry is tone. has anyone actually played one of thes "axl's" or knows what they sound like???
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The AXL's sound really thin according to some reviews I read. Maybe a thin cab=thin tone? I have no idea really but just guessing.
I also hate these new Gibsons. Look soo cr@p and sell-outy.
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reading the profiles on the gibson site, the new les pauls appear to be hollow bodies, which in my experience can do great things for tone. there's at least one of them i'd be interested in. it's obvioous they're not going to appeal to traditionalists, ie most guitarists, but at least they're trying something a little different. if they appeal to some, then they're a relative success. i give credit to gibson for keeping the blueshawk in production, i doubt that it's an enormous seller, but it has a niche and they're willing to fill it (as it happens, it's a great wee guitar). one or two of these new models might well do the same.
from a pickup point of view, and this is a pickup forum :lol: i like the translucent smoky bobbins, kinda funky.
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the only concern with an AXL is the lack of tone? what else do you want an amp for?! whilst you can get some nice little regular-shaped combo amps that sound good, i think that nobody is going to be buying something that sounds lke arse just because its thin.
The smaller=better philosophy may be catching on with most technology, but with guitar amps i don't see it happenning - (just about) all guitarists think older=better when it comes to amps. Hell, we're still using valves!
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yer i see what you mean, but think about all the people who can't afford a decent valve amp or even a normal half-decent transistor one??? im talking about beginners and people who arent willing to pay hundreds and hundreds of pounds. how much did you say it was? £100? if so i think that's superb for the money! ok, so it's not gonna meet the needs of experienced players who invest more in their equipment but i doubt the tone will be horrifically bad to who the amp's aimed at.
anyway i dont know much about the amp itself but it doesnt sound like a bad thing to me at all. the thing is you have to think about other peoples tastes and requirements when it comes to guitar playing: new players, old players, country players, metal players, serious players, players who just play for a laugh e.t.c e.t.c. its so easy to dismiss a piece of equipment as "bad" just because it doesnt suit you.
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One can't lose sight of the whole "right tool for the job" thing. I could have the most wonderful all-tube tone-monster amp in the world right now, and I'd just never play it. My place is too small, I have to keep things compact and quiet -- it just wouldn't work!
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Seriously don't we have enough different versions of the Les Paul and SG? Same with the Stratocaster. Maybe Gibson should try to design something new. :lol:
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Seriously don't we have enough different versions of the Les Paul and SG? Same with the Stratocaster. Maybe Gibson should try to design something new. :lol:
Haha but whenever Gibson tries something new, it never works, nobody wants a new-design Gibson, because Gibson in most people's minds =vintage. Contemporary is not what its good at. Gibson has bought out so many companies, maybe it should have one of these experimenting with new designs. Keep the brand "Gibson" for the classics?