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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Nephilim on November 04, 2011, 11:10:03 AM

Title: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Nephilim on November 04, 2011, 11:10:03 AM
Well I've got my main metal rig together now! So just ordered  my C-Bomb/Cold Sweat for my Prog Metal playing, and I'm in the search of an amp to suit this type of playing. As good as my 6505 is, it just doesn't offer the versatility of what I actually need. I really like the Mesa Mark V, but it's just way too much of an investment (I want to be able to afford a deposit on a custom guitar). I'm looking for something 6L6, something which has great cleans, a great crunch channel, and especially a great Lead Channel for them Dream Theater style riffs and solos. I'd love it to scream tone!

Any ideas anyone?
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Twinfan on November 04, 2011, 11:28:52 AM
Used Triple Rectifier?
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Nephilim on November 04, 2011, 11:33:20 AM
Used Triple Rectifier?

Yh, that was an option, for £1k, it's a pretty good deal. I'm just also wanting to see if there's any other options first.

How does the Rectifier actually cope for Prog Metal & Solo Instrumental styles?

How's the Axe FX compared to Valve-amps?
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Transcend on November 04, 2011, 12:53:01 PM
I would ebay a used MKIV

and as for the axe fx i dont find it compares at all.

Its better than previous modellers but its still not there yet
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Transcend on November 04, 2011, 12:53:53 PM
and if you are going budget

theres the bugera magician which is a mark series clone
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Nephilim on November 04, 2011, 01:02:20 PM
and if you are going budget

theres the bugera magician which is a mark series clone

I saw that. But it isn't out yet. I emailed Bugera about a week ago. But I'm wondering if 60w is going to give enough clean headroom?
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Transcend on November 04, 2011, 01:05:33 PM
60w will give you enough clean headroom until you are playing stadiums.

its ridiculously loud

for example the volume difference between a 50w and a 100w is only 3dB

the biggest thing to change is the amount of heat it kicks out!
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: MDV on November 04, 2011, 01:07:24 PM
+1 for MkIV
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: HTH AMPS on November 04, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
I've been on the lookout for a mk series head for a while (anything from from a mkII to a mkIV), but they all seem to be combos.

Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Nephilim on November 04, 2011, 01:13:29 PM
60w will give you enough clean headroom until you are playing stadiums.

its ridiculously loud

for example the volume difference between a 50w and a 100w is only 3dB

the biggest thing to change is the amount of heat it kicks out!

Well thanks for that. I'll have to keep my eye out for it. I'm in no rush to get this amp. Just gonna look around for a couple of months.

And how much can you get Mark IVs for second hand MDV?
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: MDV on November 04, 2011, 01:29:15 PM
Dunno never looked, but a lot less than a new MkV.
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Roobubba on November 04, 2011, 01:36:04 PM
Take a look at the Future Breed Machine FBM100 from DAR. Or a DAR Forza. Don't know where you're based, but if you get to try one out, please report back on how it was! It's the *only* things I have GAS for. :)

Roo
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Sancho on November 04, 2011, 01:50:39 PM
It's no good if you're really after Mesa tone, but the Carvin V3M fits most of your requirements.
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Transcend on November 04, 2011, 01:57:39 PM
Ive seen MKIV's go as little as £600 on ebay
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Transcend on November 04, 2011, 01:58:35 PM
I've been on the lookout for a mk series head for a while (anything from from a mkII to a mkIV), but they all seem to be combos.



Build one!

I can get hold of PCBS & replica chassis pretty damn cheap!
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Nephilim on November 04, 2011, 02:17:39 PM
Ive seen MKIV's go as little as £600 on ebay

OK that's my mind made up then lol. How do the combos compare to the heads? If anyone knows?
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Transcend on November 04, 2011, 02:21:30 PM
you may have a long wait.

The average price ive seen them go for is around 800
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: HTH AMPS on November 04, 2011, 03:57:40 PM
I've been on the lookout for a mk series head for a while (anything from from a mkII to a mkIV), but they all seem to be combos.



Build one!

I can get hold of PCBS & replica chassis pretty damn cheap!

its all about the time to do it mate - I have a set of mkIIc PCBs I can buy very reasonably off a chap in the US.

Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Transcend on November 04, 2011, 04:00:42 PM
I've been on the lookout for a mk series head for a while (anything from from a mkII to a mkIV), but they all seem to be combos.



Build one!

I can get hold of PCBS & replica chassis pretty damn cheap!

its all about the time to do it mate - I have a set of mkIIc PCBs I can buy very reasonably off a chap in the US.



Thats whats holding me up really as the MKIIC+ is one of my all time favourite amps.

I really should get around to it instead of figuring out this 18w metal amp shite
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: K-Roll on November 05, 2011, 04:49:28 PM
hmm I think I might chime in a bit here..  one of my first real tube amps was the good old 5150+evh5150III cab.. at that time I was struggling to find a good clean tone and overdrive..

so I started a research on which amp to get next and eventually i ended up owning a mark 4A..

The main reason for that was that I liked the idea of 3 channels+GEQ features and so on.. If I were to compare a 5150 and a mark 4 I'd say - you won't get that raw growly sound out of a mark 4 (maybe a MARKIII would be a better match for those kind of sounds) but the closest youcould get to a a 5150's lead channel is the rectifier I'd say
One of  the main reasons I chose mark 4 over the recto was that I was not a huge fan of that boomy low end rectifier sound - even though it's usually on the player's fault if something sounds cr@ppy..and the next thing is that each recto I ever played was hmmm stiff.. as if I had really had to struggle quite a bit to get a good sound out of it and i am not one of those uberfast lightpickers who use tons of gains you know..  thats where I knew that the recto would be great for me only if boosted properly, which would be a step back in ergonomy (extra pedals, cables, step dancing, bypass loops and stuff)

 i found out that being a 7string player I am more into mids/upper mids and later after having spent a year and half with the mk4,  I moved to a mark 5.. I have to say that the mk5 completely delivers it all because it's even a step further from the mark 4 who's got mutual EQ pots for channel 1 and 2... the mk5 channel 2 crunch is another great palette of sounds and I admit I spend quite a lot of time switching between ch2 and ch3 :)

it really sounds good even on low volumes when needed (unlike the mk4) another thing is that with those push/pull pots on the mk4, each time I dragged the head to a new place I had to reset all my settings cause some of the pots would eventually move, get pushed in or twisted while being carried over...

there's no such thing with the mk5 now and each time I carry it somewhere I just randomly check to see that all's ok and ready to be fired up :)

is there a difference between mk4 and mk5 lead channesl? yes it is, the sound a little different..  but it's usually the bedroom players who can tell th difference :) in a band context you won't mark a difference.. 
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Nephilim on November 06, 2011, 10:53:09 PM
It's no good if you're really after Mesa tone, but the Carvin V3M fits most of your requirements.

I've just looked at it on the website. Although I think the V3L looks better. Have you played this amp, Sancho?
Title: Re: Alternatives Mesa Mark Vs?
Post by: Sancho on November 07, 2011, 11:49:29 AM
Not only have I played it, I own it :)
I haven't taken it to rehearsal yet, so I'm not sure how it'll sound at band volumes (I'm afraid some of the brittleness of the EL84s will show) but for home playing it sounds quite good at every volume, from a whisper to (polite) scream.
Love the features and flexibility. Three footswitchable totally independent channels, solo boost for each channel, several modes per channel...
It doesn't sound like a Fender, Marshall or Boogie. But if you like its voice, it's a tough act to follow.
(http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae150/YellowSoCal/Gear/CarvinV32.jpg)