Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: eighteen-0-nine on November 29, 2011, 09:58:24 AM
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I just wondered if there's any other amp out there that provides a roar to give the 6505 a run for it's money? I'm looking at getting the 6505, but I want to keep my options open. My limit is up to Ģ1000
Thanks :)
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There's the 6505+...
Alternatively, you could get a 5150 or 5150-II (what with them being identical to the 6505 and 6505+, but second hand) :)
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How about an Orange TH100?
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Yh, I know about the other Peavey amps. I mean something that's made by a complete different manufacturer.
And how do you rate the Orange?
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The Bugera 6262 is based on the 6505 and it slays!
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The Bugera 6262 is based on the 6505 and it slays!
I've actually got one. Great sounding amp, but it broke 3 times. Trying to contact them was an absolute nightmare. They just ignored me constantly, so I sent a general enquiry by email on my other email address pretending to be someone else, just asking about release dates. And guess what? I got an email back the next day. Finally a month later after sending bout 10 emails, and finally threatening them with trading standards, I got a response. After that they was pretty good about it. I just think it's ridiculous that they don't advertise a contact email address on either the Behringer or Bugera website (it took me a week to searching through forums to find an email address to send to. Apparantly only authorized dealers have access to the email); just a silly little 'Ask a question' function which is like their own forum, which to this date, 7 months later I have no longer had anyone reply to my original query.
For this, I don't trust them in cases of emergencies. Id rather not wait another 6 weeks to get a replacement, and then have the following 2 break. And it wasn't the clip situation btw, it was faulty tubes and faulty dome lights, with one having faulty wiring for the FX loop
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Thats a shame man-i had mine for close to 3 years without any issues, recently sold it as it was my backup head and wanted to buy some new pickups. The distorted sound is awesome and has very good cleans also.
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Maybe get a 6505+ as mentioned before, or a 5150?
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Yeah I'll start using it as my backup head when I get my new one. I probably will end up getting the 6505, but I thought I'd ask people about alternatives first. You never know, I may find that hidden Jem, lol.
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Framus Cobra. Save a little more for new or buy used. It shares a bit of circuitry with the 5150/6505 with the cold clipping gain stage and all, but it has an actual clean channel instead of the 5150/6505's neutered lead channel.
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Framus Cobra. Save a little more for new or buy used. It shares a bit of circuitry with the 5150/6505 with the cold clipping gain stage and all, but it has an actual clean channel instead of the 5150/6505's neutered lead channel.
Just had a look, and I can't find it new or second hand anywhere in the UK :/
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To be quite honest, if you're after a 6505/5150, then you might as well just go ahead and get one. You know what you're going to get, you know it's going to be awesome, and those things are built like absolute tanks. Great value, great sound and a thoroughly worthwhile investment for the discerning metal guitarist :)
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To be quite honest, if you're after a 6505/5150, then you might as well just go ahead and get one. You know what you're going to get, you know it's going to be awesome, and those things are built like absolute tanks. Great value, great sound and a thoroughly worthwhile investment for the discerning metal guitarist :)
I just want something with a better clean channel tbh. Possibly a bit more versatile too
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Then get a 6505+
Unless you want specifically very good clean channel, rather than merely a usable one. The crunch sound on a 5150-II is actually very decent IMHO.
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Then get a 6505+
Unless you want specifically very good clean channel, rather than merely a usable one. The crunch sound on a 5150-II is actually very decent IMHO.
That's what I mean, a better clean channel than the 6505+ (should have actually added the plus, my fault). I wouldn't get the 6505 since it's a shared EQ.
It's just, as well as all out metal, I like to play progressive metal, as well as play some lighter styles too.
As much as I like the sound of the 6505/+'s lead tone, it just doesn't tick all the boxes. It'd be like buying a guitar that had great woods, great pickups, a great sound...but the neck played like a Ģ50 Cash Generator guitar lol. I just want to know if there's anything else out there in that price range, that is capable of portraying the Peavey's lead tone (obviously it's not going to be exact), but provide some really good tones for other genres of music. Preferably one with 6L6 and 12AX7 tubes.
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I'd try and strike a deal with HTH or Toe-knee here, since you are in the UK. A Framus design(as well as a few others) can be built on a Soldano SLO board so I can't see any issue with sourcing and you'd have the ability to have them customize the circuitry to your needs post-build or even spitball some changes pre-build with your input. Can't really beat that, IMO. Now if you were in the US where 5150s sell used for $5-600 all day, I'd suggest otherwise depending on your cash/quality needs.
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I'd try and strike a deal with HTH or Toe-knee here, since you are in the UK. A Framus design(as well as a few others) can be built on a Soldano SLO board so I can't see any issue with sourcing and you'd have the ability to have them customize the circuitry to your needs post-build or even spitball some changes pre-build with your input. Can't really beat that, IMO. Now if you were in the US where 5150s sell used for $5-600 all day, I'd suggest otherwise depending on your cash/quality needs.
How much would I be looking at do you reckon? Also can amp manufacturers actually nail the 6505 tone, as well as adding some extra unique features?
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Price would not be something I could comment on. Yes, a small custom builder should be able to nail any tone in that vein for you. Amplifiers are much more of a fluid thing than you'd think in the hands of a competent tech. The hard part isn't making the change so much as making the decision to stick with it. I submit this thread as evidence. :lol:
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=25532.0
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bugeras are supposedly pretty closely based on them as long as you don't mind playing guitar while on fire :o
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Powerball II. Like a recto's offspring with a 5150.. Just better
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Framus Cobra. Save a little more for new or buy used. It shares a bit of circuitry with the 5150/6505 with the cold clipping gain stage and all, but it has an actual clean channel instead of the 5150/6505's neutered lead channel.
Iīve had Dragon then Cobra..Itīs SLO clone same as Peavey but 5150 sounds much better....Also itīs build better....
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Framus Cobra. Save a little more for new or buy used. It shares a bit of circuitry with the 5150/6505 with the cold clipping gain stage and all, but it has an actual clean channel instead of the 5150/6505's neutered lead channel.
Iīve had Dragon then Cobra..Itīs SLO clone same as Peavey but 5150 sounds much better....Also itīs build better....
He said he wants more flexibility than the Peavey offerings and "better" is subject to many factors. I'm sure he'd like to read the details of your overall experience, the differences you heard, the other gear in the equation, and the tones you were able to obtain.
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Framus Cobra. Save a little more for new or buy used. It shares a bit of circuitry with the 5150/6505 with the cold clipping gain stage and all, but it has an actual clean channel instead of the 5150/6505's neutered lead channel.
Iīve had Dragon then Cobra..Itīs SLO clone same as Peavey but 5150 sounds much better....Also itīs build better....
He said he wants more flexibility than the Peavey offerings and "better" is subject to many factors. I'm sure he'd like to read the details of your overall experience, the differences you heard, the other gear in the equation, and the tones you were able to obtain.
Definitely :)
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the 5150 isn't that much of a 'clone' of the SLO. There are some similarities and some big differences.
The bugera is going to be the closest thing. really, if you want a something like a 5150 you may as well get a 5150.
If you want a versatile amp with a lead channel exactly like a 5150, I don't think one exists.
this is the 3rd or 4th thread like this in recent months isn't it?
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the 5150 isn't that much of a 'clone' of the SLO. There are some similarities and some big differences.
The bugera is going to be the closest thing. really, if you want a something like a 5150 you may as well get a 5150.
If you want a versatile amp with a lead channel exactly like a 5150, I don't think one exists.
this is the 3rd or 4th thread like this in recent months isn't it?
I would have commented them if I'd found them. Have you any links to them?
And if it doesn't exist, I guess I'm left with the option of getting something custom made, or getting 2 separate heads :/
I'm surprised Peavey hasn't remade the 6505 series to have a better clean channel tbh. Does anyone know how the 6505 compares to the XXX/JSX? Soundwise, not feature wise.
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Iīve had Dragon then Cobra..Itīs SLO clone same as Peavey but 5150 sounds much better....Also itīs build better....
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He said he wants more flexibility than the Peavey offerings and "better" is subject to many factors. I'm sure he'd like to read the details of your overall experience, the differences you heard, the other gear in the equation, and the tones you were able to obtain.
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Right...Framus looks versatile because it has 3 channels with independent controls..It has exellent clean...Crunch channel is great when is dimed but if you want light crunch with less gain itīs lifeless and sterille...Lead is nice fuidy...Ńo doubt itīs metal monster but nothing for classic rock tone...
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What about EVH Peavey 5150 III?...They must be cheaper than Framus...At least in USA....
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What about EVH Peavey 5150 III?...They must be cheaper than Framus...At least in USA....
I looked at one of them, but again the clean channel isn't great. Review here -- http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/amplification/instrument-amps/guitar-amp-heads/5150-iii-head-17013/review
And I'm based in the UK.
I'm just going to bite the bullet and get a Peavey. I've had a look through the forums and found a few of them recommending amps such as Jet City and Cornford, which I really like the look of. I'll mabye just save up a bit more and get another head second hand for the more organic stuff :)
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What about EVH Peavey 5150 III?...They must be cheaper than Framus...At least in USA....
I looked at one of them, but again the clean channel isn't great. Review here -- http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/amplification/instrument-amps/guitar-amp-heads/5150-iii-head-17013/review
And I'm based in the UK.
I'm just going to bite the bullet and get a Peavey. I've had a look through the forums and found a few of them recommending amps such as Jet City and Cornford, which I really like the look of. I'll mabye just save up a bit more and get another head second hand for the more organic stuff :)
If you U.K. based what about Blackstar?New series 100 sound awesome..Good clean,superb crunchy overdrive till heavy distortion..Even HT Venue serie sounds good..
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What about EVH Peavey 5150 III?...They must be cheaper than Framus...At least in USA....
I looked at one of them, but again the clean channel isn't great. Review here -- http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/amplification/instrument-amps/guitar-amp-heads/5150-iii-head-17013/review
And I'm based in the UK.
I'm just going to bite the bullet and get a Peavey. I've had a look through the forums and found a few of them recommending amps such as Jet City and Cornford, which I really like the look of. I'll mabye just save up a bit more and get another head second hand for the more organic stuff :)
If you U.K. based what about Blackstar?New series 100 sound awesome..Good clean,superb crunchy overdrive till heavy distortion..Even HT Venue serie sounds good..
I actually had a look at that amp. Is this the one, but the 200w version? -- http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/amplification/instrument-amps/guitar-amp-heads/s1-100-head-220195/review
I also had a look at the Diezel VH4 -- http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/amplification/instrument-amps/guitar-amp-heads/s1-100-head-220195/review Although its out of my price range for the time being, what do people think?
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The Diezel doesn't have much in common with the 5150/6505. The third channel sounds rawer (can you say that in english?) and the fourth channel is smoother regarding distortion, perfect for leads. Channel two gives a nice heavy crunch and channel one is just clean as it gets.
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I ment this one...It´s new version...4 channel....All improoved.....
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/guitar_amplifiers/blackstar/amplification_series_one_1046l6/index.html
one world for Diesel VH4 is "huge"....It has nicest bark when you play palm mute what I heard..Excelent for any rythm guitars (think Cancer Bats) but for shred it needs to be boosted...Herbert or his litle brother Einstein are more on "metal" side....Of course price....but worthy....
Another amp you could check is Krank...Revolution+ head has something similar to 5150 but it´s tighter and clear...And $%&#ing unforgiving....
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I had a Revolution for as long as it took me to decide it was too much hassle to mod and sell it back to Craigslist. I bought a 5150 with that money. The Krank Rev is pretty much a modded Marshall, but not in a direction I found pleasing. It was buzzy to my ears. The distortion was very very harsh and two dimensional. I have to firmly disagree with the statement likening it to a 5150. It did have a very impressive clean channel.
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I had a Revolution for as long as it took me to decide it was too much hassle to mod and sell it back to Craigslist. I bought a 5150 with that money. The Krank Rev is pretty much a modded Marshall, but not in a direction I found pleasing. It was buzzy to my ears. The distortion was very very harsh and two dimensional. I have to firmly disagree with the statement likening it to a 5150. It did have a very impressive clean channel.
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Try Rev+ with 6550 tubes...Also changed stock tubes itīs different beast now....Nothing like Marshall mate...Itīs more on Mesa/5150 side but more compresed,tigh without that grity midrange... Itīs nice to listen but play it itīs different story...Itīs very sensitive on players hands....
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It was the plus version and I did try every tube in my stash with that sucker. The only reason I picked it up was because it was dirt cheap($600 USD :lol:) as it had sky blue tolex which I dyed black before selling it. It doesn't share any circuitry with a Peavey 5150, man. Simply put, it's missing a few gain stages, a cold clipping stage and the masses of hiss. :)
Now if you're talking about the new EVH ones which are indeed very Marshally in their preamp design, then I wouldn't disagree as I haven't heard the EVH ones in person. I can say that the outside looks a bit like a toy, but the internal construction was AMAZING for a production amplifier. Very neat layout. Good components. Solder joints all shiny and solid. For those that like the sound, it's a well built amp.