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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: Ratrod on January 30, 2006, 07:55:46 PM
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The story sounds pretty promissing. From vintage clean to modern hi gain. Has anyone tried it already?
As soon as it's in the shops overhere, I want to try it.
Here's the link for more info: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2160500000
Any opinions from the amp gurus on this forum?
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Sounds VERY good just from reading that. Wether it actually sounds good isa another matter.
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It sounds too good to be true :) If it's that good I want one :lol: No wait, I already got my rack rig :lol:
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I have no doubt it will sound good on the clean channels. The dirty channels have a cascading pre-amp, just like Mesa Boogie. I wonder if it will sound like one. If the amp sounds like I always wished it would, Fender has answered my prayers.
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^i don't like the way it doesn't mention any tones in between blues and modern high gain...
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This isnt doing my GAS any good mate :lol:
Looks promising. But I trust adverts (which is what that is) about as far as I can throw.......my flat. Wait and see, I say. Let other people buy it first, I'm in no rush 8)
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hmmm it sounds like a jack-of-all-trades amp. i'd be surprised if it could genuinely be as good as a dual rectifier in terms of high-gain. Fender aren't exactly known for their high gain amps.
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And Dual Rectifier is not my idea of good higain, so let's see how that thing turns out before bashing it :) (I've nothing against DR, I just don't like the sound)
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Dual Rectifiers are a one trick pony but they do what they do very well. The trouble is the term "high gain" means different things to different people. I still stand by my views about Fender's high gain compared with other brands like ENGL etc.
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I agree with that :o I'm a Engl fanboy myself :lol:
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I can understand that. They are much cheaper than Mesa's in Europe and more versatile. I'm not surprised they are more popular than Marshalls in the US when you look at the prices. I've not decided what amp I want next - I may start saving for a Diezel Herbert when I get my next job.
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Well I personnaly think Marshall had only done commercial cr@p since 20 years. The last good Marshall for me is the JCM800 even if JCM2000 is not so bad in its various form. They do some great reissue too but far too much money for what it is.
For a Marshall kind of tone I prefer a good all tube Laney :)
For me Engl got the perfect tone, it's not just a matter of price. I'll still prefer my Engl rig over a pricey Bogner for its sound :)
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ENGL +1
i love my fireball.
Those herberts are very expensive and have looooooooooads of tweakability...but id go for a SAVAGE SE instead for that price range i love the ENGL sound that no other amp can quite capture :)
That Fender sounds good on paper, but for $1500 its gotta compete with Framus, Mesa, Engl etc.. it will have to be the best thing ever to do that :P
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Well I personnaly think Marshall had only done commercial cr@p since 20 years. The last good Marshall for me is the JCM800
totally agree. not sure about Laney's as I've never owned one.
I know the Herbert is expensive, but obviously I will play the Engl before I decide what to buy. Splawn are on the list also.
I don't think that Fender will be able to compete with hand-built amps like the Engl, Dual Rectifier etc. The Metalhead hasn't had much success - they should have looked at the Mode 4 which also hasn't done that well.
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Hmmm, I wonder if it comes in tweed?
Looks like it's going to be ok at lots but great at nothing. But time will tell...
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It'll come in blonde too :)
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Some info I found on the Fender forum.
Having actually played a SuperSonic last week, I can say that the "Burn" channel is VERY Marshall-esque. It is much more flexible than that, however, with two separate gain controls. You can take the "Burn" channel from just a little bit of overdrive into pure saturation with a hundred or more stops inbetween.
Someone asked about comparing it to the HRD... I had one of those and compared to the SuperSonic it's not in the same game. The SS has more "real-tube"-like qualities in it's sound. Sag, depth, and fatness. I liked the sound of my HRD's clean, but it was still too sterile for me. THe "drive" channel was much too harsh. THe SS has organic cleans and smooth distortion.
I just got home from NAMM, and had a chance to listen to a Fender rep demo the SS head with 2x12 bottom yesterday using a HSS Strat. I was pretty impressed with the sounds he got from it ranging from sparkly sweet Fender clean to big shouldered Bassman semi-crunch to some hi gain in the Marshall/Mesa territory. I look forward to sitting down with the combo version when it's available locally, and see how it compares to the head/cabinet version.
Here's the link to the topic: http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html?db=&topic_number=540339&lastpost=2006-01-3021:24:47
This amp is seriously sounding interesting.
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Sounds more and more interesting.
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wOW - For Fender amp fans the Blonde/Oxblood 4x12 stack looks the business - like a 60s showman. Bet it'll cost a packet!
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For the 112 combo Fender has a $1500 list price. On the street they'll be just under a grand. Music discounters will probably have them in the 800 - 900 dollar price bracket.
And it has five (5!) preamp tubes. :twisted:
If it's as good as they claim, I want the 112 combo and stack it on my old 2X12. It will be a monster.
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Hmmm, I wonder if it comes in tweed?
Looks like it's going to be ok at lots but great at nothing. But time will tell...
It does! Not really helping am I? That GAS urge has started to build has it not?! :twisted:
Fender have done cascading gain before, anyone remember the Prosonic?
Interesting amp though. If it sounds as good as it looks then I will want a head version. You cannot beat Fender clean tones.
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My local Fender dealer here in the States went to the NAMM show and said it's the best sounding Fender stock high gain sound he was ever heard. The clean sounds very good and it's very cool to be able to switch to the two different clean sounds. He is VERY hard to please and said he wants one. He said we should see them them by April. He's got a tweed head and 2x12 cab + a 112 combo on the way.
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Did anyone notice that the 112 has 6 12AX7's but the head only has 5?
The only thing I don't like is that they are using Vintage 30's, but that is easily changed.
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Hopefully I'll have a chance to check one out at the upcoming Musik Messe in Germany.
(Rumor has it Lars Ulrich will be there too, btw)
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The only thing I don't like is that they are using Vintage 30's, but that is easily changed.
What do you have against V30? just curious :)
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The only thing I don't like is that they are using Vintage 30's, but that is easily changed.
What do you have against V30? just curious :)
I find it to be overall a harsh sounding speaker with not the best breakup (I have been using it in Fender amps and I seem to remember that it doesn't like Fenders -so interesting to see they are using it now). I replaces it with a Tone Tubby Hempcone in one, and an Alnico Eminence in the other. I have just got some of the Patriot and Redcoats to try too.
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This amp sounds too good to be true. Fender cleans and marshally overdrive?!
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Definitely looks interesting, but no mention of an FX loop... :(
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Definitely looks interesting, but no mention of an FX loop... :(
Check the specs. Effects Loop with Send Level & Return Level
http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2160500000#
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Definitely looks interesting, but no mention of an FX loop... :(
Check the specs. Effects Loop with Send Level & Return Level
http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2160500000#
oh cool, I missed that sorry. Thanks for pointing that out!
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This thing sound so great I can't beleive it, if it as good as they say they have a total hit!
I hope prices wont be that high in france, cause here importators are mostly thieves :cry:
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I know...but all I've read so far, including news reports on Harmony Central seems suspiciously close to Fender advertising mumbo-jumbo. As my tastes have diversified, I'd love to get that classic Fender clean tone and a higher gain output, more like a Plexi, in one amp.
Any idea how much high gain they mean when they say 'high gain'?
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I know...but all I've read so far, including news reports on Harmony Central seems suspiciously close to Fender advertising mumbo-jumbo. As my tastes have diversified, I'd love to get that classic Fender clean tone and a higher gain output, more like a Plexi, in one amp.
Any idea how much high gain they mean when they say 'high gain'?
Seeing as its cascading gain I would assume its going to be pretty high...
Already been on to my local dealer about one of these. Trouble is he has to try and get some sense out of the numpties that masquerade as Fender UK....
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Sound like real high gain to me (extreme metal territory high gain I mean), at least form the advertising. and the Vintage 30 can be a clue on how much high gain it is :?
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Andertons Online have UK prices...
£850 for the heads, £929 for the combo.
Tempted to buy the combo for the reverb and have a head cabinet built so I can have the head, but with the reverb.
Need to audition one of these... really need to audition one.
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Bloody hell thats a bit expensive! However its cheaper than a Cornford or some other boutique stuff. I'd be interested in trying the combo out though :twisted:
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Bloody hell thats a bit expensive! However its cheaper than a Cornford or some other boutique stuff. I'd be interested in trying the combo out though :twisted:
It's about £150 - £200 cheaper than I was expecting! If it's as good as initial reports say, it's going to be something of a bargain.
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Why turn the combo into head? Just put the combo on the cab. There's an extra speaker output jack on the thing.
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Why turn the combo into head? Just put the combo on the cab. There's an extra speaker output jack on the thing.
Maybe they are aiming it at metal players who play with halfstacks? You wouldnt really want a combo on top of a 4x12, well I wouldnt anyway :lol: I'd be scared of it falling off!
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Maybe they are aiming it at metal players who play with halfstacks? You wouldnt really want a combo on top of a 4x12, well I wouldnt anyway :lol: I'd be scared of it falling off!
Why not have the combo next to the 4x12? :P
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In my experience combos when running at high volume tend to exhibit more rattles than heads, valves seem to be a particular issue. Plus I could do without the extra weight and space that a combo would take up.
However, I want the Fender reverb. It's just a thought at the moment. I am down Andertons way in a few weeks time so I will see if they have any in stock.
The other option is to buy the head anyway and purchase a seperate reverb unit. I have a Holy Grail but I find it very noisy.
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If you get to try one, please post a review.