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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: Afghan Dave on January 10, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
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New Video For Tattoo... WTF?
Possibly the BIGGEST video release in decades and it looks like a joke.
http://youtu.be/3WfQ-hV3WtA
The song is a grower but...
I can't believe that they would put out this POS video that does nothing to announce "I heard you missed us.. We're BACK!"
Seem's like there isn't an opportunity Van Halen can't miss these days.
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Watching again and again and I can't believe that...
1) There is a bored dog watching on the friken STAGE!
2) Wolfie does look like a less masculine Chaz Bono.
(http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/chaz-bono-8-31-11-1.jpg)
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I like the song better than most of the stuff they put out since 5150.
Cheers Stephan
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The original "Down in Flames" version could have been turned into a monster... but... in 2012 they release less guitar and say "tattoo" more.
http://youtu.be/3kCj0VfD22o
"Swamp meat salad, drench that cat"
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I expected nothing, so I can't say I'm disappointed...
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That is truly shite. In every way possible.
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I can't even be arsed to listen to it, van halen doesn't sound the same without Michael Anthony's backing vocals.
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that wasn't great, was it? :(
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That's poor - I really hope that's just the obligatory pop song of the album and that the rest has a bit more edge to it.
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Ouch, that looked... "geriatric". Tour at a retirement home close to you, soon! :?
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Hmmm, I've got mixed feelings on this....
To be fair to Roth, he's just tw@tting about like he always has - what does he care what he looks like? But the video is edited together in such a random, slipshod way it makes them look like idiots.
As for the song, I don't much like the chorus but it's way, way better than I was expecting. I might even consider buying the album.... at the very least it's going to be a vast improvement on Van Halen III....
(Confession: I'm almost disappointed that it's, well, OK .... I've been getting a perverse satisfaction out of hating VH in recent years. :| )
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Meh. It's... OK. The Van Halen saga is too complicated for me to deal with!
Wolfie looks all grown up. I remember him being born, which makes me feel very old...
The song isn't bad per se....
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I'm not loving that but I'll still go see 'em live if they tour just because I'd like to see them with Diamond Dave.
Is Dave taking fashion notes from Brian Johnson with the cap thing?
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I can't quite point my finger on what I don't like about it. But I don't like it.
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I can't quite point my finger on what I don't like about it.
I certainly don't like the lyrics but can do with the rest of the song.
Cheers Stephan
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Blimey, I never expected to find myself making some of the more positive comments in a Van Halen thread! :? :lol:
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Sure, EVH is a legend and deserves utmost respect for his work and achievements...
but this thing is a fricken disgrace and plain sad.
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Ok, I'm gonna be the black sheep here I guess. I've never been a VH fan, I like a few classic tunes but that's basically it. That said, I think this song is about as good as most of their early stuff. Maybe even a little better. I especially love the chorus.
You know how it is, you fall in love with an album (let's say VHI) and even if they get the exact same gear that they used back then and write very similar songs, it's never gonna sound as good. Just because you've learned to love the original. I think emotions and nice memories are at play here and it sometimes clouds our judgement of a brand new song.
IMHO of course, feel free to disagree :headphones4:
EDIT: The video still sucks though. Talking about amateur production...
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F.U.C.K my life.
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It's terrible but sort of to be expected from a bunch of old rockers who think they've "still got it" :P
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It's terrible but sort of to be expected from a bunch of old rockers who think they've "still got it" :P
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My thoughts, just better described.
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I'd love to work for Van Halen. It appears that you can produce really bad videos and still get paid for it. The worst video I have seen in a long long time.
Also, and a little embarrassing, I listened to 5150 for the first time ever today and hadn't realised that "Why Can't This Be Love" is a Van Halen song. :oops:
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Also, and a little embarrassing, I listened to 5150 for the first time ever today and hadn't realised that "Why Can't This Be Love" is a Van Halen song. :oops:
I still think that's a great album. They started to go wrong on the next one....
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+1 for 5150.. It's a great album.
I never bought into the Dave vs Sammy bullchit. Different animals but I loved them both.
Eddie's mental health is the rotten apple in Van Halen.. seems to define passive agressive & always blames everyone else.
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Agreed there Dave. And I'm not even remotely knowledgable about Van Halen.
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the song is just ok, and the video is terrible :/
>sigh< and I was wondering how bad it could really be
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To me VH has never done anything good other than Catherine.
The rest is a bit too "mum & dad music" for me
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Eddie's mental health is the rotten apple in Van Halen.. seems to define passive agressive & always blames everyone else.
I agree (although I guess it's dangerous to feel like we know so much about someone we've never actually met!)
From all I've read (and it's quite a lot) I'm very much on the Mike/Sammy side of the VH split. I respect Ed's talent and musical achievements, but as a human being he seems a complete and utter dick.
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They clearly have forgotten how to write catchy hooks. This is just an irritating POS.
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I thought this was excellent
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To me VH has never done anything good other than Catherine.
The rest is a bit too "mum & dad music" for me
hmm dont think you could say that about their first 3 albums or fair warning, they were hard rock master pieces, before middle age and dodgy keyboards took over
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ok heres my input, im 17 years old, i hate new music i love hair metal and pretty much all rockn roll. i Hate grunge and evreything that comes out now-a-days, beisdes nirvana (wich from what i seeis the band that killed hair metal) but i still like them, van halen is $%&#ing amazing! give them a brek, look back, there not real great at picking a first song to be realesed on any of there albums, fair warining is by far the best album theyve done ;). but still im sure the rest of the album will be great,they realesed clips of some new songs, theyre $%&#ing ripe! awsome! WARRANT IS THE BEST BAND EVER THO!
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17 you say?
You're spellins an grandma is attriciois.
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Jani Lane was a good songwriter but plagued by his own demons.
Sadly hardly any of the rest of the band were up to playing on their own albums.
The earliest ones featured the great guitar talents of Mike Slamer- formerly of City Boy, later of Streets and Steelhouse Lane (both worth checking out).
Current Warrant vocalist Robert Mason is a very good singer too - having previously played with Lynch Mob etc
Steel Panther's "Stripper Girl" from the Feel The Steel is to some degree a rewrite of Warrant's "Heaven" from the DRFSR album
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^ arg now i have heaven in my head :lol:
I never bought into the Dave vs Sammy bullchit. Different animals but I loved them both.
+1
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Having heard "Tattoo" a few times on the radio now, without the distraction of the video, I quite like it. It's not amazing, but better than I would've expected at this point.
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I think one of the things that has inevitably changed is Eddie's guitar sound, as well as the production style.
I guess many of us would have liked it to be a logical next step to the last great VH & Roth album (1984), but so much time has passed and things will change.
I just found that Eddie's guitar track lacked any riffs, was a bit too background filler and with a tone that had more modern growling mids than his tone of old (which was very distinctive IMO)
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Despite our initial negative reaction, it's interesting to see that the album is getting rave reviews.
And referring back to the "opposition", I haven't heard Chickenfoot III but the current single "Different Devil" is bloody awful bland pap :? . Maybe I should buy both albums (not that there's any need to compare directly, since they're not really two opposing factions, but I do find it interesting!)
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Despite our initial negative reaction, it's interesting to see that the album is getting rave reviews.
And referring back to the "opposition", I haven't heard Chickenfoot III but the current single "Different Devil" is bloody awful bland pap :? . Maybe I should buy both albums (not that there's any need to compare directly, since they're not really two opposing factions, but I do find it interesting!)
Give Chickenfoot III a good listen to, PQ - it's a grower, and I'm really liking it now.
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for me, chickenfoot III DID grow. into a stinking pile of incredibly bland and boring chicken excrement. i try not to be too derogatory about music, since i know my taste is not other people's, but this album was hugely dissappointing. completely awful
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Just listening to the whole album, on first listening She's The Woman (2nd track) is GREAT, real old VH vibe. After that, well, I'm on track 6 and it's average as hell. Lets see where it goes from here....
Guitar tone is much less processed than I've heard it in recent years, tick! :D
Track 10, Outta Space, now we're talking - classic VH riffage if ever I heard it, might be a grower this album.
overall, it's not a knockout cohesive album, but by far and away the best thing I've heard since the F.U.C.K days and VERY old-school VH in feel and vibe.
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Got my copy today, let's see if I can get round to listening to it later.
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ChickenFoot is a great example of taking some cracking musicians and turning out bland shiteee. Shame.
I stand by that this is the last decent track that VH turned out. Ironically a Sammy one and 13 years old... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUNV2xIq0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUNV2xIq0)
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ChickenFoot is a great example of taking some cracking musicians and turning out bland shiteeee. Shame.
I stand by that this is the last decent track that VH turned out. Ironically a Sammy one and 13 years old... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUNV2xIq0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUNV2xIq0)
Its even older mate, it was on the Twister soundtrack.
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I stand by that this is the last decent track that VH turned out. Ironically a Sammy one and 13 years old... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUNV2xIq0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUNV2xIq0)
Although I don't dislike Sammy or the "Van Hagar" period in principle, I think the only really good album they did was 5150. After that it all started to get a bit flabby and bloated - Van Halen should be all about short, snappy songs and 35-minute albums!
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No way :o ... F.U.C.K. Rocked!
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I haven't listened to it for ages to be honest, but I do remember not liking it much - so much so that I didn't bother to buy the live album or Balance.
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You're not missing much, Balance had 3 decent tracks on it. The rest was shat. $%&# was indeed awesome.
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Having heard "Tattoo" a few times on the radio now, without the distraction of the video, I quite like it. It's not amazing, but better than I would've expected at this point.
I still find it mediocre :| <- unimpressed face
but it is better than what I would have expected at this point too! :)
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No way :o ... F.U.C.K. Rocked!
i agree, great album. nothing like the early VH stuff, it's something different
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Ah well, there you go, I'm heavily outvoted on the F.U.C.K. front. Maybe it was good, but just not my kind of thing. I'll try and have a listen to it, if I can find it...
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Ah well, there you go, I'm heavily outvoted on the F.U.C.K. front. Maybe it was good, but just not my kind of thing. I'll try and have a listen to it, if I can find it...
I'm with you on this Philly. I have all the DLR era albums and I used to own 5150 and F.U.C.K. but got rid of them in a CD purge a few years back and in all honesty haven't regretted it.
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ahhhhhh!!! - penny drops, She's The Woman is an old VH track that never made it to an album, here's the 1976 demo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoRIp1V5KrA&feature=related
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ahhhhhh!!! - penny drops, She's The Woman is an old VH track that never made it to an album, here's the 1976 demo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoRIp1V5KrA&feature=related
I read in a review that most of the material on this album is old stuff that they've resurrected and reworked, rather than genuine "new" songs. Don't know if that's true or not.
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I wasn't impressed when I heard Tattoo a few weeks ago, but after hearing the whole album today it's not so bad. Some good moments in there actually.
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ahhhhhh!!! - penny drops, She's The Woman is an old VH track that never made it to an album, here's the 1976 demo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoRIp1V5KrA&feature=related
I read in a review that most of the material on this album is old stuff that they've resurrected and reworked, rather than genuine "new" songs. Don't know if that's true or not.
not sure, but Tattoo is an oldie as well.
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I wasn't impressed when I heard Tattoo a few weeks ago, but after hearing the whole album today it's not so bad. Some good moments in there actually.
This is TRUE! :o
I see they suddenly learned how to adjust the volume of the bass now his son is playing... (my guess is that it was probably played by Eddie in the studio like the last 3 albums anyway)
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(my guess is that it was probably played by Eddie in the studio like the last 3 albums anyway)
I think you're probably right. There don't seem to be any musician credits in the booklet for the new album, so I was already assumimg Ed played bass.
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No way :o ... F.U.C.K. Rocked!
+1 I've played it to death for 2 decades! :D
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A thread that I just couldn't resist - and I tried!
I bought 'A Different Kind of Truth' on the day of release. I think that I wanted to believe that it would re-ignite my faith in Van Halen, the band. As I was born too late to experience everything before 5150 I had to gradually explore the VH legacy, and generally I loved it all. To be fair, as a 12 year old I loved 5150 and it never occured to me that the band had another earlier, more dynamic version.. Anyhow, I guess I wanted some of the old pre - 5150 magic back.
With 'A Different Kind of Truth' they may now have3/4 of the original line-up, but for me the dynamism is totally lacking. I fully accept that Eddie in 2012 is never going to sound like Eddie circa 1979 and I agree that his tone sounds a little less processed than in previous outings, still something is missing. I dont hate the album, in many ways I agree that it sounds better than it deserves to be but I actually feel indifferent to their music and that is worse.
Some comments about Eddies well documented problems in this thread and their effect on VH's output. I bought Sammy Hagar's book earlier in the year and frankly, if half of it is true (he maintains that he didn't say anything that Eddies ex-wife hadnt already published) then the chap is doing pretty well even functioning these days. One thing in particular that struck me is that (according to Hagar) Eddie and Alex were really slow on the uptake as far as exploitng the VH brand was concerned and didnt invest wisely. I guess things have changed now given the EVH brand and this new outing. Anyone who successfully sells his own replica gear (including a tastily price custom humbucker designed to imitate a miswound PAF) has clearly learned a thing or two.
I think what it comes down to is whether or not people are bothered by a shameless attempt at marketing an old formula for a stack of cash. Lets face it, Van Halen are hardly the only band out there making millions of dollar doing a karaoke version of their own hits. The music isn't terrible, it may not be what it once was but then its not (thankfully) Chickenfoot either. Eddie seems to be on the straight and narrow and he is not writing porno soundtracks currently..
In many ways the mediocrity of 'A Different Kind of Truth' makes me realise just how good the band were between VH and 1984. What ever happens from here on in (Does anybody expect this lineup to survive to record another batch of new material) that neednt detract from their glory days.
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No way :o ... F.U.C.K. Rocked!
+1 I've played it to death for 2 decades! :D
Gosh - has it really been 2 decades..?
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Time is like a jet plane, man; it goes too fast...
I like F.U.C.K, and Balance. And OU812. But I'm way more of a Hagar fan than a Roth fan. Can't stand Roth, actually. Although Skyscr@per was OK. But mostly because it had Vai on it.
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A thread that I just couldn't resist - and I tried!
I bought 'A Different Kind of Truth' on the day of release. I think that I wanted to believe that it would re-ignite my faith in Van Halen, the band. As I was born too late to experience everything before 5150 I had to gradually explore the VH legacy, and generally I loved it all. To be fair, as a 12 year old I loved 5150 and it never occured to me that the band had another earlier, more dynamic version.. Anyhow, I guess I wanted some of the old pre - 5150 magic back.
With 'A Different Kind of Truth' they may now have3/4 of the original line-up, but for me the dynamism is totally lacking. I fully accept that Eddie in 2012 is never going to sound like Eddie circa 1979 and I agree that his tone sounds a little less processed than in previous outings, still something is missing. I dont hate the album, in many ways I agree that it sounds better than it deserves to be but I actually feel indifferent to their music and that is worse.
Some comments about Eddies well documented problems in this thread and their effect on VH's output. I bought Sammy Hagar's book earlier in the year and frankly, if half of it is true (he maintains that he didn't say anything that Eddies ex-wife hadnt already published) then the chap is doing pretty well even functioning these days. One thing in particular that struck me is that (according to Hagar) Eddie and Alex were really slow on the uptake as far as exploitng the VH brand was concerned and didnt invest wisely. I guess things have changed now given the EVH brand and this new outing. Anyone who successfully sells his own replica gear (including a tastily price custom humbucker designed to imitate a miswound PAF) has clearly learned a thing or two.
I think what it comes down to is whether or not people are bothered by a shameless attempt at marketing an old formula for a stack of cash. Lets face it, Van Halen are hardly the only band out there making millions of dollar doing a karaoke version of their own hits. The music isn't terrible, it may not be what it once was but then its not (thankfully) Chickenfoot either. Eddie seems to be on the straight and narrow and he is not writing porno soundtracks currently..
In many ways the mediocrity of 'A Different Kind of Truth' makes me realise just how good the band were between VH and 1984. What ever happens from here on in (Does anybody expect this lineup to survive to record another batch of new material) that neednt detract from their glory days.
Nothing to add, but.... good post! :)
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baaad video but the album is totally killer! big river song 12 is a cracker! amazing tone and hooks plus innovative stuff from ed, still bags of shred, heaviness, funk, more wah use than ever, harmonizer, evh is fresher than ever. I'm amazed that some of the album sounds like the chili peppers on steroids and some nearly metal! wolfie's bass is spot on and so complimentary to ed's riffs. Great groove drumming from alex. It's on permanent play in my car right now. who else is competing with these guys right now in terms of classic rock?
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This is the absolute truth, I swear...
I was driving home from the show late the other night, and I clicked on the radio. I caught a song in the middle, during the lead. Not recognizing the song, I thought to myself "Well this guy has been influenced by EVH, but he's not very good... Wonder who this is?"...then the vocals come back in and its DLR singing She's the Woman. I cringed. It's like they're Bret Favre looking for one more moment of glory but they end in a bad way, shamed and looking foolish with their peckers out.
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Yeah, that happened to me too. EXACTLY the same way.
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Really?!!?! :lol: :lol: I was thinking, "Nobody's gonna believe this...."