Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: wolfenstein on March 10, 2012, 08:48:13 AM
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Hi to all...I recently switched amps so now Iīm trying to figure out parts of my rig to sound right...After weeks of tweaking eq,tubes and speakers swapping I think I found the "holy grail" sound of my QR but only thing I miss itīs a bit more saturation..Iīm "guitar straight to amp" guy so I just donīt want to use any pedal... Now I use emg 81 because it has good amount of output and I like his typical bark when you play pm..You know QR is quite middy amp and it lacks bit of low end which I like to get there some too..I tried there Miracle Man and I likethe tone but definitely I need slightly more gain..Itīs for LTD Viper MFA 600 which is maple neck through with alder wings and ebony fingerboard...Is it Warpig?
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Judging from what you have described, I'd say Warpig sound like it. I'm interested in what others will say.
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c-pig
the a-pig isn't saturated or super high output, just a little 'snoring'
it's more compressed than a miracle man, but not hotter
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Even the C-pig isn't insanely high output. I hate to say it, but I'd recommend using the pickup you like and a clean boost.
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Im also in the crowd of use the pickups you like with a subtle boost.
If the EMGS arent getting you there then no pickup will the closest ive actually found to the 81 at pushing the amp is the Miracle Man & The Aftermath and a single other pickup.
A boost is where you need to be!
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Guys thanx for replies...Actualy I donīt need more gain...QR has enough gain on gear 3 but itīs tightest amp what Iīve heard and that causes "less gain" feel but I think I need just some saturation or if you want some dirtyness or so...Bare knuckles are known as super tight as well so /in my case/ they donīt fit together best..Iīm going back to try Miracle man and external eq instead of maxon OD which makes QR sounds too trebly,over middy and without low end..It may helps..
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Guys thanx for replies...Actualy I donīt need more gain...QR has enough gain on gear 3 but itīs tightest amp what Iīve heard and that causes "less gain" feel but I think I need just some saturation or if you want some dirtyness or so...Bare knuckles are known as super tight as well so /in my case/ they donīt fit together best..Iīm going back to try Miracle man and external eq instead of maxon OD which makes QR sounds too trebly,over middy and without low end..It may helps..
Very wise choice on the miracle man.
I played a QR recently that belongs to a forum member and the MM sounded great through it.
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Guys thanx for replies...Actualy I donīt need more gain...QR has enough gain on gear 3 but itīs tightest amp what Iīve heard and that causes "less gain" feel but I think I need just some saturation or if you want some dirtyness or so...Bare knuckles are known as super tight as well so /in my case/ they donīt fit together best..Iīm going back to try Miracle man and external eq instead of maxon OD which makes QR sounds too trebly,over middy and without low end..It may helps..
If you want more saturation just turn up the gain. I personally think a overdrive in front of a high gain amp is mandatory as is just sounds "right" to me with it.
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Hm hm...MM is back in the guitar so Iīll check it tomorrow..Has anyone experience with seymour duncan pickup booster or emg after burner?Again Iīve tried OD as clean boost with gain at 0 level maxed but it doesīt work as with other amps..Itīs ok with Nitro which is more low mid oriented...On Quick Rod I have presence off and treble just almost 0 too and it has still enough high mids and treble to cut through..
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Has anyone experience with seymour duncan pickup booster or emg after burner?
Seymour Duncan Pickup Booster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kutm-ktgHYM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kutm-ktgHYM)
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Hm hm...MM is back in the guitar so Iīll check it tomorrow..Has anyone experience with seymour duncan pickup booster or emg after burner?Again Iīve tried OD as clean boost with gain at 0 level maxed but it doesīt work as with other amps..Itīs ok with Nitro which is more low mid oriented...On Quick Rod I have presence off and treble just almost 0 too and it has still enough high mids and treble to cut through..
the afterburner really just adds gain & saturation and makes you sound like kerry king....
I actually think a zvex SHO would be perfect for what you want.
It doesnt remove low end and doesnt have a huge mid hump but just makes things thicker and hotter.
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Hm hm...MM is back in the guitar so Iīll check it tomorrow..Has anyone experience with seymour duncan pickup booster or emg after burner?Again Iīve tried OD as clean boost with gain at 0 level maxed but it doesīt work as with other amps..Itīs ok with Nitro which is more low mid oriented...On Quick Rod I have presence off and treble just almost 0 too and it has still enough high mids and treble to cut through..
the afterburner really just adds gain & saturation and makes you sound like kerry king....
I actually think a zvex SHO would be perfect for what you want.
It doesnt remove low end and doesnt have a huge mid hump but just makes things thicker and hotter.
Thanx for tip...
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why would you not use a pedal? it's exactly what you want/need. an od boost will do pretty much exactly what you want.
an 81 has silly output. if it doesn't have enough there's something wrong. plus it basically has a preamp in it, which again makes it strange that you're not willing to use pedals, but are willing to use a pickup which more or less has a pedal in it.
Using a boost would also give you the option of being able to pick a pickup based on its tone etc. rather than just its output. So you'd have a lot more options.
i mean it's your gear and your call, you can do what you like, but if you ask me you're shooting yourself in the foot for no good reason.
"hey doc i want to cure this tonsilitis but i'm not an antibiotic guy" is sorta what you're saying :lol:
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He couldn't of said it better! ^^^
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He originally said hes tried using boosts but they cut too much lows and add too much mids.
I can actually agree with this the quickrod does not agree with 90% of boosts.
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He originally said hes tried using boosts but they cut too much lows and add too much mids.
I can actually agree with this the quickrod does not agree with 90% of boosts.
He couldn't of said it better! :crazy2:^
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try an eq pedal - will allow you to tune the boost to exactly how you want it
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^ that'd be worth a try, too. :)
He couldn't of said it better! ^^^
:)
He originally said hes tried using boosts but they cut too much lows and add too much mids.
I can actually agree with this the quickrod does not agree with 90% of boosts.
Yeah, a tubescreamer does, but that just means you get something which isn't based on a tubescreamer (which admittedly can be quite a task :lol: )
I use a V1 dano transparent od with my laney gh50L (which i'm guessing isn't a billion miles from a quickrod). it's a timmy clone, though they're discontinued. But there are a fair few transparent ods available, i'd just get one of those. :? I find a similar thing with a tubescreamer with my laney- for some things i like it, but for some things it's too much.
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As a fellow QR owner I've found that the amp is very picky about what boosts it does and doesn't like infront of it.
The only 1 I've been anywhere near happy with is an MI Audio Boost N' Buff set just on the verge of being a Treblebooster from a full range booster. I do also quite like an SHO with it, as suggested by Toe-Knee earlier, but haven't tested it as much as I have the MI Audio pedal so can't comment much on that. I'll try and play with that combo more tomorrow and hopefully post back.
1 thing that may be causing your problem is that the QR is a very tight and clear amp, you can hear every note in every chord even under high gain. BKPs are also very clear sounding. It could just be that you're actually hearing the actual sounds of the guitar instead of a wall of gain or mush you may hear with other amps. I found this to be the case when playing with some other guitarists. They thought I had a low gain tone just because they could actually hear the notes in the chords I was playing instead of the wall of noise they had from using a DS1 on full gain :lol:
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yeah that's maybe so
isn't an 81 pretty bright, though? i mean i'm not sure that's helping either. which goes back to what i said regarding not using a boost... you don't have very many options regarding what pickups you can use if you need maximum output
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yeah that's maybe so
isn't an 81 pretty bright, though? i mean i'm not sure that's helping either. which goes back to what i said regarding not using a boost... you don't have very many options regarding what pickups you can use if you need maximum output
An 81 can be bright but in certain guitars they can also pack a fairly big low end and have the highs rolled off.
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yeah that's maybe so
isn't an 81 pretty bright, though? i mean i'm not sure that's helping either. which goes back to what i said regarding not using a boost... you don't have very many options regarding what pickups you can use if you need maximum output
I have an 81 in the bridge of an LTD Eclipse and don't find it to be overly bright.
Guess that's all down to the guitar in question though.
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C-PIG ftw
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He originally said hes tried using boosts but they cut too much lows and add too much mids.
I can actually agree with this the quickrod does not agree with 90% of boosts.
He couldn't of said it better! :crazy2:^
:lol: Thatīs the pointtry an eq pedal - will allow you to tune the boost to exactly how you want it
Yeah..I have older Boss GE-7 so Iīm gona try it tonight..It may works as ad some lowīs and cut some upper freqīs..
yeah that's maybe so
isn't an 81 pretty bright, though? i mean i'm not sure that's helping either. which goes back to what i said regarding not using a boost... you don't have very many options regarding what pickups you can use if you need maximum output
An 81 can be bright but in certain guitars they can also pack a fairly big low end and have the highs rolled off.
I have 81 in other all mahagony viper and there itīs perfect combo but this one is brigh as hell..Bright pickup+bright guitar+bright amp= :shock:C-PIG ftw
I want get one anyway 8)
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In that case a boost that doesn't cut the lows and boost the highs would be best.
I'm not an expert (i.e. haven't done extensive comparisons), but the major reason I use the T-Rex Michael Angelo Overdrive is because I feel it doesn't have that Tubescreamer curve, but is a lot more neutral.
I also like the Digitech Bad Monkey and Digitech Hardwire CM-2 Overdrive, because their dual EQ lets you keep the low end as you like it.
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I have an 81 in the bridge of an LTD Eclipse and don't find it to be overly bright.
Guess that's all down to the guitar in question though.
yeah. i mean i have one in a jackson and i'd say it's on the bright side of things
i guess i'm just concerned that going for a very specific pickup, while discounting boosts because only very specific ones work, doesn't seem particularly logical. I mean... I've never tried a QR (would love to, but they're pretty rare here). Maybe they really do hate boosts. But if you can find one that will work (and from the sounds of this thread, they do exist) that might make more sense than trying to do it with a pickup. I'm also concerned that trying to get a BKP for what he wants might not be the best idea, either. If the tone's not compressed enough, an EMG is a lot more compressed than the BKPs I've tried (which admittedly isn't many, but it's not like i've only tried the mule, i mean i have a MM). as brow said they're pretty clear-sounding. If the QR is too (and from what i've heard, it is) you might be trying to persuade unsuitable gear to do what you want. You might be on a hiding to nothing, kinda thing.
that's kinda all i'm saying :)
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He isnt wanting more compression.
He just basically wants a bit more bite/snarl or whatever you want to call it.
Just that little bit extra.
I wanted a bit more than certain guitars were giving me so i dropped some Neodymium pickups in and it got it exactly where i needed without sacrificing clarity or being ridiculously hot
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try an eq pedal - will allow you to tune the boost to exactly how you want it
Yeah..I have older Boss GE-7 so Iīm gona try it tonight..It may works as ad some lowīs and cut some upper freqīs..
if it works out, theres some mods you can do to reduce the noise
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the ibanez ts9dx is a good alternative to the regular non 'bullchic' overdrives
the plus mode doesn't cut the low end, so the upper mids feel less spikey and it sounds a lot fuller than the regular ts9 mode
but a clean booster should work for you
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He isnt wanting more compression.
He just basically wants a bit more bite/snarl or whatever you want to call it.
Just that little bit extra.
I wanted a bit more than certain guitars were giving me so i dropped some Neodymium pickups in and it got it exactly where i needed without sacrificing clarity or being ridiculously hot
saturation is compression, surely?
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He isnt wanting more compression.
He just basically wants a bit more bite/snarl or whatever you want to call it.
Just that little bit extra.
I wanted a bit more than certain guitars were giving me so i dropped some Neodymium pickups in and it got it exactly where i needed without sacrificing clarity or being ridiculously hot
saturation is compression, surely?
Kinda but technically a mildly overdriven tone is compressed i see saturation to be the higher end of things. Think jm800 vs 5150
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yeah that's what i'd say, too.
i just mean that (the splawn's apparently not liking boosts notwithstanding) the easiest way to achieve that is normally just to whack an od boost in front of the amp.
:)
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i just mean that (the splawn's apparently not liking boosts notwithstanding) the easiest way to achieve that is normally just to whack an od boost in front of the amp.
That's just the opinion that both myself and (from when he had 1) TO/Ben share.
There are alot of people I know on the Splawn forums that love various boosts and ODs etc with their QRs, but to my ears it just doesn't seem to gel with the amp.
Each to their own I guess! :lol:
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If you want more saturation just turn up the gain. I personally think a overdrive in front of a high gain amp is mandatory as is just sounds "right" to me with it.
It saddens me when people write this...
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i just mean that (the splawn's apparently not liking boosts notwithstanding) the easiest way to achieve that is normally just to whack an od boost in front of the amp.
That's just the opinion that both myself and (from when he had 1) TO/Ben share.
There are alot of people I know on the Splawn forums that love various boosts and ODs etc with their QRs, but to my ears it just doesn't seem to gel with the amp.
Each to their own I guess! :lol:
ah ok
yeah that's true :)
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So...Iīve tried Boss EQ-7 in front of QR and it helps a bit...Definitely it can bring some low freqs and tame some high freqs too...With Nitro it works even better because itīs brighter even with all corrections at zero...Again I tried Maxon OD 808 which works excellent with Nitro but no more lows there with QR...I talked about that problem with Tony from Salvation Mods (guy who modifies Randall MTS preams) http://salvationmods.com/ he said it will be easy to do switchable saturation mod (same feature as on Marsha Braun Eye) and depth mod for geting some more lows...I think I found solution...
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Have you tried your GE7 in the loop of the Quick Rod?
Alot of the guys on the Splawn Forum love an EQ (generally the 10band MXR) in the loop, they say it works wonders. May be something to try before you go modding it.
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Before you get into modding
Have you tried changing out the valves.
Tung sol 12ax7 & el34 give a fair bit more saturation than most valves.
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EQ in loop can change overal eq shape bit efective than in front of amp but it does nothing with saturation...Tubes swap itīs always first job what I do if I need to change tone..I ended with mix of JJīs and Shuguangīs in preamp (at least on crucial gain stages which affect lead channel) and Mullard EL 34īs...Itīs the best combo for geting thick and darker tone out of QR..Tung solīs are too bright for this ultra bright amp...Modding itīs way to get amp more versatile and more usable without using any stomp boxes...
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I am aware of the affects of modding.
I mullards wont be helping in your situation though.
youd be better off with JJ E34L i reckon.
But if you are set on modding go for it!
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Maybe I could swap power tubes...I was thinking about puting there 6550īs which can bring some low end and scoop mids and actualy turn it into Pro Mod but it requires bias mod...
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Maybe I could swap power tubes...I was thinking about puting there 6550īs which can bring some low end and scoop mids and actualy turn it into Pro Mod but it requires bias mod...
you will also need to check if the power transformer can provide enough current.
Most likely Splawn will use the same PT across the range so it should be fine but its something to check.