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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: FELINEGUITARS on April 16, 2012, 06:36:20 PM

Title: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on April 16, 2012, 06:36:20 PM
I have an old Alvarez acoustic guitar - not an overly expensive one , but it sounds ok and is fun to mess about with.

I was stuck at home this weekend with a nasty cold and eventually got bored watching TV so I decided to pop the acoustic on the bench for an overdue refret - I'm going a bit bigger with the wire so it will be easier to play .
Also adding an Earvana shelf nut - handy that the nut is just 43mm wide like a Les Paul.

While we have the frets out we also set about changing the inlays - the existing ones were just small dots, and the choice of maltese crosses seemed like fun.

Here you can see that I have already pulled the frets out and laid out the inlays on the bare board to see how the layout will look
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/DSC03528.jpg)

I've temporarily stuck the mother of pearl pieces down with the equivalent of model airplane glue - enough to hold them in place for me to scribe around to mark out where to cut with the router so I can set them into the board

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/DSC03531.jpg)
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: Kiichi on April 16, 2012, 06:54:17 PM
Yeah, nothing better than working on guitars when you gotta stay home (although I am doing a lot less sophisticated stuff when I do).

Those new inlays looks great, especially on the 12th. By look it adds 200quid to the estimated price easily.
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: roland_rat on April 16, 2012, 09:28:44 PM
Very nice. The inlays look great!
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: sgmypod on April 16, 2012, 09:37:11 PM
mmm want them for mine now
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: 38thBeatle on April 16, 2012, 10:43:36 PM
Great inlays there Jonathan.
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: Telerocker on April 16, 2012, 11:01:11 PM
That looks fantastic!
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on April 17, 2012, 01:57:31 AM
Okay - made some more progress , although I'll leave it for today:

Inlays installed and frets installed.
I chose to stain the fingerboard with an ebony stain  to even up the colour

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/DSC03532.jpg)

I'm looking forward to having the next stages done , so I can play her

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/DSC03533.jpg)
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: Kiichi on April 17, 2012, 02:19:57 AM
I gotta be honest here, I do not really agree with the choice to ebony stain the fretboard. Now keep in mind that I am just judging from the photos, but I think it looks a little off. It is probably better in real live, but I really like a nicely oiled rosewood fretboard. That brown richness (the richness is what I like) is, to me, nicer than what I see here.
I think this is actually the first occasion where I disagree with a style choice Jonathan made^^
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: Philly Q on April 17, 2012, 08:49:15 AM
^

To be fair, some rosewood looks anaemic whether it's oiled or not, you can't always get that "brown richness".

The ebony stain is interesting - does it hold up well over time, and do funny things happen if you then oil the fretboard?  I suppose it can always be re-stained subsequently?

Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on April 17, 2012, 09:25:01 AM
Because of the awkwardness of the shapes being routed out there was a touch more visible filler than I liked, and whilst I used rosewood dust to conceal the gaps , the dust when mixed with epoxy looked darker.

That along with the general look was the reason for me to break out the stain.

We used a leather dye which penetrated really well , and will stand up against playing wear and tear.
If you gouge the wood , you'll go through it but with Dunlop 6100 fingerboard contact is kept to a minimum.

It is the same way that Ibanez offered Ebonised rosewood on many guitars in the late 1970s

Thankfully the binding was black , so it is neat edge to edge.

It also looks better in real life - the camera flash has made it look a bit flat
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: TheyCallMeVolume on April 17, 2012, 04:43:29 PM
I actually think it looks cool :D
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: gwEm on April 17, 2012, 06:43:40 PM
I actually think it looks cool :D
i agree :)
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: AndyR on April 17, 2012, 07:04:00 PM
Looking good :D

I was reading it earlier at work, not able to see the pictures, thinking "maltese crosses on an acoustic? oh well, each to their own..." :lol:

But no, I'm quite surprised, it looks really tasteful.

I'm firmly on the fence over the ebony stain. If the rosewood itself had been spectacularly yummy I would have thought "oh that's a shame...". But I think the new finish looks just as good - and seeing as something was necessary, I think it's a win-win :D
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on April 17, 2012, 08:32:26 PM
The darkening of the board makes the pearl stand out more too I have found.
Must get it fret dressed now!
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: Philly Q on April 17, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
I was reading it earlier at work, not able to see the pictures, thinking "maltese crosses on an acoustic? oh well, each to their own..." :lol:

I remember a Fender acoustic someone had in school.  It had cross inlays, of sorts, but rotated 45 degrees - in fact they were more like small diamonds with cuts in the edges.  I thought it looked really cool, never forgotten it even after 30+ years!
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on April 17, 2012, 11:28:01 PM
not unlike these but more diamond shape
(http://www.richardsguitars.co.uk/acatalog/crafter_gae15_frets_500w.JPG)
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: Philly Q on April 18, 2012, 12:07:00 AM
Yeah, very much like that!  :D
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: breadfan on April 18, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
I actually think it looks cool :D
i agree :)

Same here, I think it looks great - I had reservations when I saw the first pics!

 I think you should stain the bridge too though.
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on April 23, 2012, 02:53:01 PM
She's all done - although I will make a new bone bridge saddle for her to improve the intonation now I have an Earvana on there.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/DSC03584.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/DSC03587.jpg)

I noticed that the ebony stain relaxes back and kind of fades to look like old dark rosewood after a while - even over the week that this was lurking before being finished off.
So I topped up the stain levels again just before stringing her back up, but over the next week or two it will change again and take on a more natural look, which I will leave to become the look for this guitar.

I'm certainly enjoying playing her again - thanks to the refret, although I do once again fancy an acoustic with a rosewood back and sides - think I prefer the tone to a mahogany back and sides version.
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: Ian Price on April 26, 2012, 04:23:08 PM
That looks great - personally I like th elook of the fretboard now. Nice work!
Title: Re: Acoustic refret and Pimping
Post by: AndyR on April 26, 2012, 07:44:35 PM
Yeah, that looks very nice. I think breadfan might be right about staining the bridge plate as well. (Wouldn't have noticed if he hadn't pointed it out, though! :lol: :roll:)