Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Philly Q on June 25, 2012, 12:31:39 PM
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Yes, believe it or not, "Mr Middle of the Road Dad Rock" is contemplating the purchase of a br00talz pickup! :o
Basically I was on eBay yesterday and made a totally unplanned, spur of the moment guitar purchase, just because it was pretty cheap* and I liked the look of it. :oops: I was sober at the time....
(* I say "pretty cheap", but by the time it's been shipped from Japan it will - of course - have cost me enough to ensure that I make a huge loss when I inevitably sell it.... :roll: )
Anyway, it's an old Greco SG, I'm assuming it's mahogany although frankly I have no idea how upmarket a model it is/was, so it may be a "mahogany equivalent". But it looks the part.
I'm not expecting a "tone machine", so I thought it might be fun to lob something high-output in it, which made me think..... Warpig. I then realised I really don't know anything about the Warpig neck pickup, except that it's also high-output. Does it give much contrast with the bridge model? If not, what else would match well with a Pig bridge? Is the whole idea of me buying a Warpig ridiculous? :?
Any thoughts?
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:lol:
That's the entire sum of my thoughts/experience on this.
I'll be interested to see what you get, though... I considered something like this a while back.
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I have no idea about the neck model.
Meanwhile I do have the bridge model and, although a definitely a firebreather, I can confirm it has a sweet sounding tone and surprisingly versatile. Its as gainy as hell, really fun for throwing down riffs.
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Yeah, I was thinking about it for a single pickup guitar, and talk like that from gwEm made me think mmm, sounds, good...
You could always get an NFL jersey instead...
EDIT: Oh, missed yer chance, he's been moderated :lol:
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Meanwhile I do have the bridge model and, although a definitely a firebreather, I can confirm it has a sweet sounding tone and surprisingly versatile. Its as gainy as hell, really fun for throwing down riffs.
That's what I was thinking, although it's super-hot it has always struck me as rather warm and fuzzy, not anything at all scary (I'm talking A-Pig, of course, not C-Pig). I imagine it sort of "plays itself" (albeit badly, in my case)?
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You could always get an NFL jersey instead...
EDIT: Oh, missed yer chance, he's been moderated :lol:
I must have totally missed that!
I can't see me in an NFL jersey..... don't they start at, like, size XXL?
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I have major gas for a Pigged SG, it just seems like a pickup that would be a lot of fun!
Warpigs and SG's, the best combo since fish and chips?
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I hope the guitar purchase turns out nice for you Philly. :)
Meanwhile I am genuinely excited on your behalf about the possibilities of owning a neck ( Alnico ) Warpig :D - as I have long wanted to try one for Jazz . I think we have all read the rumours that they have been ordered for that purpose, but most of all , I can imagine why they would be really quite special in that role. I look forward to news and pictures of both !
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I imagine it sort of "plays itself" (albeit badly, in my case)?
It can definitely give that feeling for riffage. I like playing 80s-period Scorpions with it.
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I hope the guitar purchase turns out nice for you Philly. :)
Meanwhile I am genuinely excited on your behalf about the possibilities of owning a neck ( Alnico ) Warpig :D - as I have long wanted to try one for Jazz . I think we have all read the rumours that they have been ordered for that purpose, but most of all , I can imagine why they would be really quite special in that role. I look forward to news and pictures of both !
Thanks Derek. :D
It would be interesting if one of these mysterious "French jazz guitarists" joined the forum, I'm not sure I've ever read any comments from anyone with first-hand experience of the "Jazz-Pig". :lol:
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I hope the guitar purchase turns out nice for you Philly. :)
Meanwhile I am genuinely excited on your behalf about the possibilities of owning a neck ( Alnico ) Warpig :D - as I have long wanted to try one for Jazz . I think we have all read the rumours that they have been ordered for that purpose, but most of all , I can imagine why they would be really quite special in that role. I look forward to news and pictures of both !
Thanks Derek. :D
It would be interesting if one of these mysterious "French jazz guitarists" joined the forum, I'm not sure I've ever read any comments from anyone with first-hand experience of the "Jazz-Pig". :lol:
Failing all else, it might be an excuse for me to 'cave in' and order one. :lol: I am genuinely fascinated by the beast - and would report back. As you say, it's time the myth / legend / reality of the 'A-pig Jazz Monster' was at last revealed ! 8)
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I was sober at the time....
Did you get pissed later then? ... :wink:
If you don't want to go for for a pig neck what about a stockholm one. There's just something about those Swedes.
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I was sober at the time....
Did you get pissed later then? ... :wink:
Nah, I'm a lightweight (literally!). Couple of glasses of wine is my limit. :lol:
If you don't want to go for for a pig neck what about a stockholm one. There's just something about those Swedes.
Good idea! I was considering the MQ, but hadn't thought of the Stockholm. Interesting..... good match for the Warpig, d'you think?
In fact, I must confess, I didn't even realise the Stockholm was an HSP-90.... I thought it was a normal P-90 model, for some reason. Have they changed the specs, or was I just totally wrong?
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Good idea! I was considering the MQ, but hadn't thought of the Stockholm. Interesting..... good match for the Warpig, d'you think?
I haven't played any of the pups, but I think the beefy character of the Stockolm will match the brutalness and low end of the Warpig better than the MQ, but it's just my hunch.
In fact, I must confess, I didn't even realise the Stockholm was an HSP-90.... I thought it was a normal P-90 model, for some reason. Have they changed the specs, or was I just totally wrong?
I'm pretty sure the Stockholm has been a HSP-90 all the time, but it's sibling the Supermassive is a P-90 and I think the two were designed to be pretty similar tone wise and name wise both seem inspired by Muse.
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The Stockholm became a HSP90 when the P90 range got revamped, or maybe just before. Before then, only the MQ was a HSP90 :)
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the neck pickup is ultra-beefy and bassy, and with tone rolled down a bit has a great jazz tone, in my opinion. but NOT playing jazz mine is just a guess, of course... :P
i think an HSP90 can be much more versatile in neck position... the Stockholm is actually a very good idea. the MQ can be a surprisingly effective counterpart to the WP (i use it in a LP studio with a ceramig pig, go figure...), but if you prefer a more balanced combo then go swede! :)
ah, by the way, hello everyone. i've been away for more than a year (if you haven't noticed...), and it's nice to catch many old "faces" around!
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Thanks gents, the Stockholm (or maybe MQ) is definitely appealing to me!
I do want a fat, thick neck pickup tone and a P-90 can do that in its own way. I'm still not sure if the Warpig neck is going to sound too much like the bridge (or maybe it'll simply sound "too much"!)
This is all new territory for me, I may have to do what I never normally do and listen to some clips! :o
(Good to see you back, dheim! I saw a couple of your old posts the other day and wondered what you were up to. :D )
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Meanwhile, I have at long last decided to get a neck (alnico ) warpig to drop into the neck of a Jazzer. I will leave a soundclip when I've recieved it - and had a day to experiment. The best way to assuage my long held curiosity - is to actually hear the result for myself. This should be interesting ... 8)
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Meanwhile, I have at long last decided to get a neck (alnico ) warpig to drop into the neck of a Jazzer. I will leave a soundclip when I've recieved it - and had a day to experiment. The best way to assuage my long held curiosity - is to actually hear the result for myself. This should be interesting ... 8)
Wow, go for it Derek!
What finish have you opted for, presumably not camo or battle-worn or whatever? :lol: Nickel (or gold?) with screw polepieces?
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Spot on Philly ! :) I've asked for the ever popular 'Wolf in sheep's clothing' option - Gold case , gold screw tops - and instead of the strings and pick, I've asked for a bottle of B.K.P. smelling salts - plus ( obviously ) some sort of amulet to protect me from dark forces. To allow an effective range of adjustment, I should have asked for the lesser known 3" leg and adjusting screws option. :wink:
I noted that a couple of Jazz box makers have used the double screw pole / Alnico V type of pickup in their Jazz boxes. I appreciate that theirs is about 1/3 of the impedance of the Warpig, but I genuinely wanted to hear what a fairly standard alnico Warpig could do - as opposed to some massively customised version . The only appropriate 'distressing' that would apply, would probably be Pernod and black coffee stains , with possible 'Gitanes' burns.
I think I might be 'distressed' enough when the Jazz amp hits the back wall... :o
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I'm still not sure if the Warpig neck is going to sound too much like the bridge (or maybe it'll simply sound "too much"!)
i've got just one of 'em, in a basswood RG, and - judging from mine - it doesn't sound very much like the bridge... bassier to the point of being a bit muddy on distorted tones (the bridge is NEVER muddy unless downtuned to B, maybe even C, and below), and very, very thick - but a bit too dark for my taste - on cleans. actually i prefer quite articulate neck pickups, and that's why i love HSP90s, that - dark and full sounding as they can be - retain that awesome single coilish attack. i've got neck Stockholms on a LP studio and an LTD EC1000, and they sounds perfect... quite hot but very bluesy.
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Spot on Philly ! :) I've asked for the ever popular 'Wolf in sheep's clothing' option - Gold case , gold screw tops - and instead of the strings and pick, I've asked for a bottle of B.K.P. smelling salts - plus ( obviously ) some sort of amulet to protect me from dark forces. To allow an effective range of adjustment, I should have asked for the lesser known 3" leg and adjusting screws option. :wink:
...........................The only appropriate 'distressing' that would apply, would probably be Pernod and black coffee stains , with possible 'Gitanes' burns.
I think I might be 'distressed' enough when the Jazz amp hits the back wall... :o
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That post is just full of pure gold.
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i've got just one of 'em, in a basswood RG, and - judging from mine - it doesn't sound very much like the bridge... bassier to the point of being a bit muddy on distorted tones (the bridge is NEVER muddy unless downtuned to B, maybe even C, and below), and very, very thick - but a bit too dark for my taste - on cleans.
Actually, I quite like the sound of that - I don't mind a bit of mud, although I don't like "boominess" on the bass strings.
actually i prefer quite articulate neck pickups, and that's why i love HSP90s, that - dark and full sounding as they can be - retain that awesome single coilish attack. i've got neck Stockholms on a LP studio and an LTD EC1000, and they sounds perfect... quite hot but very bluesy.
I don't like bright neck pickups, but I do like the way single-coils go a bit "soft" with a lot of distortion. I think I'm leaning towards the Stockholm.
(Should wait until I actually have the guitar before making these decisions, shouldn't I! :roll: :wink: )
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Philly - I think you'd be surprised at how nice the neck WP is
It can push an amp fine , but it is one of those pickups that rolls back really nicely via the volume pot
Also played clean it is one of the best sounding cleans in a neck pickup
remember that the 17.4k ohm resistance reading is via 45 gauge wire - so the same number of turns of 42 gauge will be a much lower dc reading
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Im very interested to hear what you make of the Bridge Warpig when you get it- i have been tempted by in in the past but always was put off by people saying it was way too high output and too bassy,etc - really curious to hear how it works in that guitar.
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Thanks guys. :)
Don't like to tempt fate before I actually have the thing, but I guess I should show what guitar it is..... this isn't "my" actual one, but it's this model (and colour):
(http://replica6strings.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/dsc10196.jpg)
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Ah ! The somewhat rare 'Buddy Greco' signature model . You must have bid hard for that one. They only made one - and didn't tell him.
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Thanks guys. :)
Don't like to tempt fate before I actually have the thing, but I guess I should show what guitar it is..... this isn't "my" actual one, but it's this model (and colour):
(http://replica6strings.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/dsc10196.jpg)
Damn sweet axe!
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Cool thing, pigs will be very interresting in that one. Very exited to hear what a bloke like you thinks of them (I actually for some reason think youŽll be positivly suprised).
I too have been eying the pigs for some time and should you end up liking them IŽll be save to get some too.
That is if you ever get around to actually installing and playing them...
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That is if you ever get around to actually installing and playing them...
Ah, that is the key point. You know me too well. :wink:
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I've just fitted my Alnico neck Warpig Philly, and left a sound clip over in the 'Players' section.
they really are very nice ! :)
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Bloody hell Derek, you don't mess about! Pickup arrived, fitted and recorded on the same day? I might just about be considering opening the box.... :P
Please can we have a picture of the guitar with the pickup fitted?
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I might just about be considering opening the box.... :P
The box under your bed full of guitar parts?
Sorry to jest, I am watching this one with interest as I have often wondered if I would like something high powered.
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Me too. I don't recall a thread about a Warpig that wasn't related to really high gain, monster Metal so it should prove an interesting insight into this pickup - assuming of course that it ever makes it out of the box under the bed :D
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Me too. I don't recall a thread about a Warpig that wasn't related to really high gain, monster Metal so it should prove an interesting insight into this pickup - assuming of course that it ever makes it out of the box under the bed :D
I've got to get round to buying the pickups first, haven't even got the guitar yet!
............then they'll go in the box under the bed.
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Me too. I don't recall a thread about a Warpig that wasn't related to really high gain, monster Metal so it should prove an interesting insight into this pickup - assuming of course that it ever makes it out of the box under the bed :D
I've got to get round to buying the pickups first, haven't even got the guitar yet!
............then they'll go in the box under the bed.
Philly... How big is your bed??! It seems as though you buy beds to put over pickups rather than for sleeping on!
Bed Criteria list:
1) Must be able to cover up 50+ guitar parts
2) Must be able to cover up 25+ sets of pickups
3) Must be Pre-assembled (philly would never assemble a whole bed, would you Philly?!)
Once you've matched all these criteria, you have found Philly Q's dream bed!
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Please can we have a picture of the guitar with the pickup fitted?
Certainly Philly, :)
I'll get onto it later today.
The other posts above this one have given me a possible way to describe the Warpig neck pickup:
" The B.K.P. Warpig - for a sound as thick as Philly's underbed storage - and as hot as his credit card " . :wink:
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3) Must be Pre-assembled (philly would never assemble a whole bed, would you Philly?!)
What you don't know is that Philly does actually have another bed... it's under his bed waiting to be assembled.
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What you don't know is that Philly does actually have another bed... it's under his bed waiting to be assembled.
:lol:
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I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark that Philly never shops at IKEA, or if he does, I imagine he doesn't sleep on a bed at all but just a collection of packed cardboard boxes!
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Blimey, this thread has gone off the rails! :lol:
Just to clarify (or muddy the waters still further):
1. The space "under the bed" where I keep guitar parts is only metaphorical - I don't really keep newly-acquired guitar parts under the bed (because that space is already full of guitar parts)
2. I have shopped at Ikea, and I am fully capable of assembling a bed (although it might take a while to get round to it....)
3. I only have one bed (but if I had another it would indeed, probably, be under the first one awaiting assembly)
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3) Must be Pre-assembled (philly would never assemble a whole bed, would you Philly?!)
What you don't know is that Philly does actually have another bed... it's under his bed waiting to be assembled.
Silly Philly!! He should have known that he'd never assemble it!
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3) Must be Pre-assembled (philly would never assemble a whole bed, would you Philly?!)
What you don't know is that Philly does actually have another bed... it's under his bed waiting to be assembled.
Silly Philly!! He should have known that he'd never assemble it!
On a deep, subconscious level, I may know that.... but I have to have faith in my good intentions.
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2. I have shopped at Ikea, and I am fully capable of assembling a bed (although it might take a while to get round to it....)
:) don't worry, no one is doubting your "bed-assembling" ability... Only your ability to actually get started :)
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Sorry Philly. My fault entirely on the thread derail.
That guitar does look very nice indeed!
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No worries Ian. :)
It's on its way from Japan now.... let's hope the Customs charges aren't too hefty.
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I've never bought any guitar related item from Europe let alone Japan! Do they always apply charges or can you get away with it if you are lucky?
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I've seen forum posts from people saying they somehow managed to avoid import charges, but whenever I've bought anything big and valuable (i.e. guitars!) from outside the EU I've always had to pay VAT and import duty.
With smaller packages like CDs and Blu-rays (and guitar parts), they do sometimes manage to sneak through Customs unmolested, presumably because the volume of mail is so big they can't check everything.
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My experience is the same as Philly - some stuff gets through and some not. I've ordered DiMarzio pickups, and a Floyd Rose and not been charged any duty for example. On the other hand, I've paid full whack on some Steinberger parts.
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The pictures of the neck Warpig in the donor guitar as you requested Philly :
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u135/Fourth_Feline/27d7374b.jpg)
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u135/Fourth_Feline/5511ac3a.jpg)
I just threw an otherwise unused Tonerider P/U in the bridge, to fill the gap. Not a patch on B.K.P. pickups !
The Warpig ( here in it's Sunday best outfit ) can look surprisingly sophisticated. 8)
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The Warpig ( here in it's Sunday best outfit ) can look surprisingly sophisticated. 8)
It certainly can! :D It's funny what a difference the second row of polepieces can make, I guess because we're all so very familiar with the classic Gibson PAF look.
I'm considering nickel covers, also with screw poles. Nothing too scary!
Thanks again Derek. :)