Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: Dmoney on July 03, 2012, 12:13:14 PM
-
http://www.topshop.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?beginIndex=0&viewAllFlag&catalogId=33057&storeId=12556&productId=5988343&langId=-1&categoryId&parent_category_rn&searchTerm=Slayer&resultCount=1
-
I've never seen it before. Slayer in Topshop eh, would've never imagined they would be SO mainstream when I started listening to them 20+ years ago.
-
I'm not so bothered about Slayer, more what looks like a giant SS Totenkopf on the front.
-
Dunno about Slayer. but the Metallica one looks like some legit artwork from the "And Justice..." period.
Makes a change from the Ramones, I suppose. :roll:
-
At least the ramones shirt doesn't make you look like a neo-nazi, or am I being too critical of the styling of the skull?
-
What the heck, if Nazi chic is good enough for Lemmy, it's good enough for Top Shop customers, surely. :P
-
That was never a Slayer skull but...
Err... What exactly were you looking for from Topshop?
(http://www.littlebritainfans.com/images/Character4.jpg)
-
I'd be less concerned about the neo-nazi reference if I was you (I didn't actually make the connection, anyway) - the question we really need answering is do you really want a shirt with frilly trimming on it? :lol:
EDIT: @RSE!!! Afghan Dave beat me to it!!! :lol:
-
A friend of mine stuck it up on Facebook. Peoples opinions seem to be mixed. While I don't really care what Lemmy does and I have no issue with people collecting memorabilia, something just strikes me as odd when people wear things Nazi insignia. I guess it is because they think they are edgy, but whatever argument people use to support it, I'm not sure its ever really valid. I've known people to wear swastikas on chains round their necks (although they gave that up fairly sharpish and never held onto any Nazi ideology in the first place). I've been concerned about people on the tube with swastika tattoos or other such insignia (Not swastika tattoos done in that Hindu/Tribal style, which I'm not sure I can support either) and I've played gigs in Germany & Poland where neo-nazi's turned up and threatened people or attacked the venue in some way. I find the imagery a bit off an odd thing to play about with. Maybe I'm just being uptight though.
-
those neo nazi poles aren't too great on irony, i guess
-
Not swastika tattoos done in that Hindu/Tribal style, which I'm not sure I can support either
That's a common misconception. It was even mistaken in Earth by Jon Stewart and Co. When the lines of the symbol point to the right, it's a swastika. The literal meaning is "to be good." It's just been changed over the years and used for what people want to use it for, so it invokes evil now. There's nothing we can do about that. But the left facing form of that symbol is a Manji, mainly used in the far East to mark a Buddhist temple.
(I will admit I needed some help from Wikipedia to remind me.) :oops:
-
...Maybe I'm just being uptight though.
Just slip on a nice pair of tights and some killer heels and I'm sure you'll feel much better. :P
-
Not swastika tattoos done in that Hindu/Tribal style, which I'm not sure I can support either
That's a common misconception. It was even mistaken in Earth by Jon Stewart and Co. When the lines of the symbol point to the right, it's a swastika. The literal meaning is "to be good." It's just been changed over the years and used for what people want to use it for, so it invokes evil now. There's nothing we can do about that. But the left facing form of that symbol is a Manji, mainly used in the far East to mark a Buddhist temple.
Problem is, people are not that well informed. Even if you wear it as a Hindu or Buddhist symbol, the average man in the street is still going to think you're a Nazi.
Best avoided altogether, I think.
-
This trend has come back around again? I remember an ex-girlfriend of mine buying me a sparkly/sequiened Motorhead T-Shirt when I was 18. Wore it once to keep her happy.
As for it being a bit Nazi looking, at least they had the best looking costumes ;)
Paddy
-
Not swastika tattoos done in that Hindu/Tribal style, which I'm not sure I can support either
That's a common misconception. It was even mistaken in Earth by Jon Stewart and Co. When the lines of the symbol point to the right, it's a swastika. The literal meaning is "to be good." It's just been changed over the years and used for what people want to use it for, so it invokes evil now. There's nothing we can do about that. But the left facing form of that symbol is a Manji, mainly used in the far East to mark a Buddhist temple.
Problem is, people are not that well informed. Even if you wear it as a Hindu or Buddhist symbol, the average man in the street is still going to think you're a Nazi.
Best avoided altogether, I think.
Most definitely!
-
As for it being a bit Nazi looking, at least they had the best looking costumes ;)
Without a doubt!
Putting politics to one side, if I had to wear any uniform a Nazi SS uniform looks f**kin suave... and kinky.
-
Not swastika tattoos done in that Hindu/Tribal style, which I'm not sure I can support either
That's a common misconception. It was even mistaken in Earth by Jon Stewart and Co. When the lines of the symbol point to the right, it's a swastika. The literal meaning is "to be good." It's just been changed over the years and used for what people want to use it for, so it invokes evil now. There's nothing we can do about that. But the left facing form of that symbol is a Manji, mainly used in the far East to mark a Buddhist temple.
(I will admit I needed some help from Wikipedia to remind me.) :oops:
Yeah I know the original meaning, and when I worked in India I saw them all over the place in all directions. I don't have an issue with that as such, just that having a massive swastika tattoo (for example) may not be the most well thought out move in Europe (and I'm sure other places) for exactly the reasons you mention. I know at least one person with loads of tribal swastikas, and while I'm sure they are doing it on the basis of the original meaning, I often wonder if it's REALLY appropriate given the meaning a symbol like that now has in the west.
I guess it's a huge debate, and not really the point of the thread. It's also something I open to hearing reasoning about (as far as say, hindu related swastika tattoos goes). If you tried the same argument with me while inked up like Ed Norton in American History X, I doubt you'd sway me however.
I kind of typed this out before I read Philly's post and yours, but yeah, that is what I was getting at.
-
As for it being a bit Nazi looking, at least they had the best looking costumes ;)
Without a doubt!
Putting politics to one side, if I had to wear any uniform a Nazi SS uniform looks f**kin suave... and kinky.
But if it has skulls on it means you're a baddy?
points all around for Mitchell & Webb references
-
Almost as bad as when Gaultier designed a T-Shirt for Beckham and used the Crass logo without the band's permission.
Although TopShop might have at least obtained permission for this. I get a bit arsey about this kind of thing, though, to be honest. A bunch of trendy teenage plastics buying a shirt like that because it's "edgy" and "in" and not because they have any inkling that it's a band severely twists my nuts! :x
-
Almost as bad as when Gaultier designed a T-Shirt for Beckham and used the Crass logo without the band's permission.
Although TopShop might have at least obtained permission for this. I get a bit arsey about this kind of thing, though, to be honest. A bunch of trendy teenage plastics buying a shirt like that because it's "edgy" and "in" and not because they have any inkling that it's a band severely twists my nuts! :x
^ I'd imagine that Crass weren't too pleased about that one (having recently watched a documentary on them and the whole anarcho-punk movement).
-
What film was that? I'd quite like to see it, although in my head it features lots of upper middle class boys with dirty dreadlocks sitting around on the floor in puddles of zeppelin cider pilling to high heaven while trying to talk about the merits of bumbags and courier bikes. Did Crass ever make ANY merch? People tell me they didn't, but I've seen people wearing Crass shirts.
-
As for it being a bit Nazi looking, at least they had the best looking costumes ;)
Without a doubt!
Putting politics to one side, if I had to wear any uniform a Nazi SS uniform looks f**kin suave... and kinky.
designed by Hugo Boss.........I'm surprised that one of Phillip Green's stores would carry something with such blatant 3rd Reich insignia.
I'm sure the Daily Mail will be all over it by the end of the week
-
What film was that? I'd quite like to see it, although in my head it features lots of upper middle class boys with dirty dreadlocks sitting around on the floor in puddles of zeppelin cider pilling to high heaven while trying to talk about the merits of bumbags and courier bikes. Did Crass ever make ANY merch? People tell me they didn't, but I've seen people wearing Crass shirts.
our singer has a Crass t-shirt, no idea if it's legit merch like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ1CvwF7BQ&list=FLzqKEsk80v098n1C-pey1HA&index=12&feature=plpp_video
-
Not swastika tattoos done in that Hindu/Tribal style, which I'm not sure I can support either
That's a common misconception. It was even mistaken in Earth by Jon Stewart and Co. When the lines of the symbol point to the right, it's a swastika. The literal meaning is "to be good." It's just been changed over the years and used for what people want to use it for, so it invokes evil now. There's nothing we can do about that. But the left facing form of that symbol is a Manji, mainly used in the far East to mark a Buddhist temple.
(I will admit I needed some help from Wikipedia to remind me.) :oops:
There's no 'original' meaning as such as standalone images insofar as I understand it - plenty ancient mosiacs are covered in them going in both directions - especially in Buddhist and other south east Asian cultures. Loads of interlocking versions much like Celtic knotwork.
You still see lots of it in Eastern art and as patterns in clothes, but clearly the standalone image now has connotations that aren't likely ever to be shaken off.
-
Not swastika tattoos done in that Hindu/Tribal style, which I'm not sure I can support either
That's a common misconception. It was even mistaken in Earth by Jon Stewart and Co. When the lines of the symbol point to the right, it's a swastika. The literal meaning is "to be good." It's just been changed over the years and used for what people want to use it for, so it invokes evil now. There's nothing we can do about that. But the left facing form of that symbol is a Manji, mainly used in the far East to mark a Buddhist temple.
(I will admit I needed some help from Wikipedia to remind me.) :oops:
There's no 'original' meaning as such as standalone images insofar as I understand it - plenty ancient mosiacs are covered in them going in both directions - especially in Buddhist and other south east Asian cultures. Loads of interlocking versions much like Celtic knotwork.
You still see lots of it in Eastern art and as patterns in clothes, but clearly the standalone image now has connotations that aren't likely ever to be shaken off.
And they shouldn't be. I don't feel like being around for WW3.
-
I would disagree. Should English people avoid English flags because more and more they're associated with fascists? Seems silly to forever lump a simple shape with an ideology. Not doing so doesn't mean everyone forgets what happened.
-
I would disagree. Should English people avoid English flags because more and more they're associated with fascists? Seems silly to forever lump a simple shape with an ideology. Not doing so doesn't mean everyone forgets what happened.
I don't know. This seems like a special case. I don't believe there should be special cases, but it's a lot like 666, which will forever be associated with devil-worshiping 'bad guys" even though it shouldn't be. One group of people goes and uses a symbol and ruins it for the rest of us for a really long time. Eventually we'll get to the point where people are so afraid of conflict no one will ever do anything haha. I do agree with you but I didn't think and I worded my response earlier incorrectly. I think the negative parts shouldn't ruin the Swastika, but they also shouldn't be forgotten.
-
http://youtu.be/OpZ8EkK3eWY (http://youtu.be/OpZ8EkK3eWY)
Love it!
-
Recently topman emailed me to inform about the Hawaiian shirts they have in stock for an apparent trend, I think these slayer shirts are an improvement
-
What film was that? I'd quite like to see it, although in my head it features lots of upper middle class boys with dirty dreadlocks sitting around on the floor in puddles of zeppelin cider pilling to high heaven while trying to talk about the merits of bumbags and courier bikes. Did Crass ever make ANY merch? People tell me they didn't, but I've seen people wearing Crass shirts.
Even I am too young to have seen Crass - but I knew loads of people when I was a teen in the late 80s who were about in the Crass period and none of them were 90s style Crustafarians who came with bands like Citizen Fish - the ones I knew were relatively lower middle class old punks or hippyish squatter types.
-
What film was that? I'd quite like to see it, although in my head it features lots of upper middle class boys with dirty dreadlocks sitting around on the floor in puddles of zeppelin cider pilling to high heaven while trying to talk about the merits of bumbags and courier bikes. Did Crass ever make ANY merch? People tell me they didn't, but I've seen people wearing Crass shirts.
Even I am too young to have seen Crass - but I knew loads of people when I was a teen in the late 80s who were about in the Crass period and none of them were 90s style Crustafarians who came with bands like Citizen Fish - the ones I knew were relatively lower middle class old punks or hippyish squatter types.
Yeah, Crass seemed to be more of a lifestyle than a band. Definitely latterday hippies, in their own way. And there were lots of T-shirts (maybe not "official" ones, I don't know), lots of logos painted on jackets. But I can't remember any of my "punk" acquaintances actually listening to them.
-
'Crass seemed to be more of a lifestyle than a band '
I think they are probably one of my favourite bands - not sure about the lifestyle though :P
-
i don't have a problem with Crass, just a certain minority of crust punks. haha.
-
'Crass seemed to be more of a lifestyle than a band '
I think they are probably one of my favourite bands - not sure about the lifestyle though :P
Just the impression I formed, very much as an "outsider". :P
I did hear some of their music at the time, but can't remember much about it to be honest. I know I didn't like it, but maybe I'd appreciate it more now?
-
Phil - I doubt it, unless you are into anarco-punk it is unrepentantly bad - but I guess I wouldn't like the stuff you liked in 1987 (especially hair metal - although I confess that somehow I own Twisted Sister's first album and kind of got it when I last listened to it).
-
You're probably right. And I still like (most of) the stuff I liked in 1987.... and the stuff I liked in 1977, for that matter.