Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: bucketshred on July 09, 2012, 10:36:57 AM
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http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/fender-launches-affordable-mim-cabronita-telecaster-552202
My knickers are wet.
Paddy
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Yep, very tasty indeed 8)
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Awesome - could do with a bigger neck though. A Baja would be a straight swap....
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NICE :o
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Just at the right time! I was just looking for a guitar with TV Jones pickups or such. I'll be able to buy it and still have some leftover money to put in powertrons.
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Interestingly, at such an affordable street price, this new, Mexican-made Cabronita is likely to compete directly with the popular homebrew build-your-own La Cabronita market, which sprang up as a result of the ultra-cool Custom Shop original's desirability.
Interesting that they're even acknowledged the "homebrew" market, it doesn't usually get mentioned much.
Warmoth have been selling La Cabronita bodies for quite a while now.
Agreed with Dave, it's a shame they've gone for the default "Modern C" neck shape, very boring.
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Sigh. This is almost everything that is wrong with the world.
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Only "almost"? :P
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If it'd been a George Harrison sig model I suspect his disappointment would be complete
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:lol: Yeah, a rosewood Tele with George's signature on the headstock.
And maybe a photo of Paul McCartney saying "it's just what George would've wanted".
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Here's a shocker for you all, I don't like Cabronitas. But then I don't like humbuckers.
Telecasters should have telecaster pickups, this is the natural way of things. A tele with a bridge humbucker just isn't a tele.
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Looks cool to me. I have never tried TV Jones pickups though so that adds to the interest.
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Looks great to me! Strangely I've always liked the black, white, maple look of Fenders the least but on this model I think it looks best!
Could do with a chunkier neck I reckon.
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Only "almost"? :P
I think he approves of the humbucker in the neck for those creamy lead tones
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Looks like a fine guitar. But: only three colours. I would fancy one in sonic or daphne blue. I wonder how the wannabee TV-Jones hold up to the original.
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I reckon they wouldn't hold up well at all! The wannabe Twisted Tele and Broadcaster pickups in the Baja are nowhere near as good as the real deal in the CS Teles.
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I always thought the Twisted Tele in the Baja was a "real" one, didn't realise it was a downmarket version.
(Not that I can remember what it sounded like!)
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I reckon they wouldn't hold up well at all! The wannabe Twisted Tele and Broadcaster pickups in the Baja are nowhere near as good as the real deal in the CS Teles.
I think the quality of the timbers have a big influence too. The CS's sound so good bec Fender has really a good stock of premium woods.
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I always thought the Twisted Tele in the Baja was a "real" one, didn't realise it was a downmarket version.
(Not that I can remember what it sounded like!)
I'm pretty sure they were a downmarket version. Others on here would know better though. To me they sounded incredibly weak and lacking in any real character. The flat 50s I now have sound so much better.
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It's really cool that Fender are doing this but then I got to thinking, "Well the neck's going to have to go for something more robust with bigger frets and I reckon I'll want to swap out the pickups for TV Jones..." and before you know it I've just spent another £400 so, on balance, if I ever do scratch my La Cabronita itch, I reckon I'll roll my own. For folks who like the neck shape this must be sorely tempting though.
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I always thought the Twisted Tele in the Baja was a "real" one, didn't realise it was a downmarket version.
(Not that I can remember what it sounded like!)
I'm pretty sure they were a downmarket version. Others on here would know better though. To me they sounded incredibly weak and lacking in any real character. The flat 50s I now have sound so much better.
This was exactly my experience too. Don't know whether they are down-market or not, but I couldn't understand why everyone was raving about them (I thought I was doing something wrong!!).
They are severely helped by taking the treble-bleed out of the Baja's circuit, but I tried them in a couple of guitars when the BKPs replaced them, and the BKPs make them sound VERY down-market :lol:
(Mind you, one man's "this is the biz" is always gonna be the next man's "wtf?!" in the tone department...).
Not too sure about this La Cabronita thing... Don't feel quite as strong about it as Frank, but I can't quite see what everyone else finds so appealing about the design... it's cute, but.... Still, "one man's... etc" :lol:
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It's really cool that Fender are doing this but then I got to thinking, "Well the neck's going to have to go for something more robust with bigger frets and I reckon I'll want to swap out the pickups for TV Jones..." and before you know it I've just spent another £400 so, on balance, if I ever do scratch my La Cabronita itch, I reckon I'll roll my own. For folks who like the neck shape this must be sorely tempting though.
That's the wonder of Warmoth, as Leslie Crowther used to say (or was that Woolworth......? :?) :wink:
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I always thought the Twisted Tele in the Baja was a "real" one, didn't realise it was a downmarket version.
(Not that I can remember what it sounded like!)
TBH, for stock pups I thought they were really bloody good. Just not for me.
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So they got one of the alder burst ones in at my local shop. It sounds wonderful. The neck is very beefy, I'd guess around .900 and feels more like a U than a C.
I really really wanted to try the trans white ASH body one, but we're waiting to get one in as they are currently on backorder at Fender!
THEN, I checked the website and Fender has jacked up the price on the ash body trans white ones by $100.00 US!!!
I checked around and found that MF has them in stock! Not only that but they are the same price as the alder burst and the alder black models! Not only that, but they price matched my local dealer, so I bought one... $594 USD delivered.
I'll let you know how it is...
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So they got one of the alder burst ones in at my local shop. It sounds wonderful. The neck is very beefy, I'd guess around .900 and feels more like a U than a C.
I really really wanted to try the trans white ASH body one, but we're waiting to get one in as they are currently on backorder at Fender!
THEN, I checked the website and Fender has jacked up the price on the ash body trans white ones by $100.00 US!!!
I checked around and found that MF has them in stock! Not only that but they are the same price as the alder burst and the alder black models! Not only that, but they price matched my local dealer, so I bought one... $594 USD delivered.
I'll let you know how it is...
Wow! Congrats! I didn't anticipate the pickups sounding good... My GAS for this had died down a bit as I'm short on money anyway. But you just brought it back.
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The frets are the medium jumbo, they feel like 6100's that have been dressed a few times, pretty wide but shorter than 6100.
The Fender version of the TV Jones sounded really very good. Not weird or nasally at all but very similar to A2 lower output humbuckers.
I did not like the 3 piece alder body, and the burst was very brown and dull, I called it the "turd burst".... but the guitar played and sounded fantastic. The neck is easily the fattest Fender neck I've seen in a long long time.
Also in was the Chinese Modern Player Tele. This burst looked gorgeous! And the tinted neck looked fantastic. This guitar sounds like a wonderful Strat. It has a middle pup and a humbucker with a mini toggle coil split.
Very beautiful to look at and very good Strat tones. The neck felt thin though, and narrow at the nut. Could not get along with the neck though this guitar was a beauty. Under $400.00 US.
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I called Fender, HQ here locally in Scottsdale. They said indeed the prototypes had a super fat U shaped neck and they were glad that that spec has survived into production, and indeed they should all have that profile. "Modern C" is a generic description that covers a lot of ground and different models have their own profile" is what my contact told me.
Also look for the Cabronita to become a new made in the USA model. Fender is introducing it as a new addition to their regular lineup. The idea of bringing it out of the custom shop and into production has been a major project at Fender and they're putting a lot behind it.
According to my contact, Fender also feels that their remake of the Filtertrons are better pickups than the TV Jones ones the custom shop is using, based on direct comparisons in the prototype models.
The "Fidelitron" pickups that are being installed in the Mexican Cabronitas today will be the pickups in the US models.
Also the US model Cabronita lineup will include a single pickup model and more colors.
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This is really encouraging news and answers my two main worries of the neck profile and the pickups. Hmmm, I shall have to have a go if I can find one. Thanks for the information.
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According to my contact, Fender also feels that their remake of the Filtertrons are better pickups than the TV Jones ones the custom shop is using, based on direct comparisons in the prototype models.
Oooh, controversial! :wink:
But good news about the neck profile and the US model.
I'd probably still go the self-build route, though, because that way you can pick a body of just the right weight. Off the shelf Fenders are too hit-or-miss.
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I agree. But my line of thinking is that I can't build one for what I paid, and if the one I receive isn't acceptable I should be able to flip it easily and may even come out ahead, given that Fender has already raised the MSRP $100 on the ash model.
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Makes sense! :)
Going back to the neck profiles, it's true that they seem to vary quite a lot, especially on the Mexican models. Also, dare I say, Fender seem to be much more lax about providing accurate model specs on their website nowadays.
I recently bought a Thinline Tele neck which was described as a "U" shape so I was expecting something reasonably chunky, but it's actually quite skinny. On the other hand, I also bought a Classic Player "C" neck which I thought would be just a little bigger than a "Modern C", but it turned out to be very pleasingly hefty. So you can never be sure!
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Call me a heretic but I'd probably drop a set of these in ...
http://www.at-the-creamery.co.uk/scatterwound-pickups-from-the-creamery/wide-range-thinline-humbucker-replacements.html
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Out For Delivery!!!
(http://media.fmicdirect.com/fender/images/products/guitars/0140072301_frt_wlg_001.jpg)
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Neck is .870 at the 1st and .930 at the 12th.
Two piece ash, nice grain.
No gig bag.
Pics soon.
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Neck is .870 at the nut and .930 at the 12th.
Two piece ash, nice grain.
No gig bag.
Pics soon.
Sound very nice :)
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Neck has a light tint on it.
Protective film still on scratch guard and rear cover.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/guitarzan_1/Gear/cabro1.jpg)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/guitarzan_1/Gear/cabro2.jpg)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/guitarzan_1/Gear/cabro3.jpg)
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String spacing at the bridge is 2-1/4".
Just ordered the Warmoth drop-in 2-1/8" bridge.
Nut measures 1-11/16"
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WOW! That looks AMAZING!
How does it play and sounds. Does it stay in tune well?
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It shipped ground over 3 days from Salt Lake City, Utah to Mesa, Arizona, then all day on the delivery truck, they leave the terminal pretty early and my shop is late afternoon on their route.... So it was pretty warm when it got here. Just basically inspected it yesterday, I will tweak the truss rod a bit today after it's had a chance to climatize. Not going to touch the bridge, when the narrow one gets here I'll put heavier strings on it and do a proper set up, probably put a couple SS saddles on the bass strings.
Edit: 'K - tightened up the truss rod nut, it was pretty loose. Neck looks great, plays great, has good tone unplugged, body feels like it resonates pretty good. Haven't plugged it in yet. Need to get the bridge in and put my .0095's on.
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I'd probably still go the self-build route, though, because that way you can pick a body of just the right weight. Off the shelf Fenders are too hit-or-miss.
PDT_038
OH... For F**K SAKE... why, just why?
I can't take it much longer... :?
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I'd probably still go the self-build route, though, because that way you can pick a body of just the right weight. Off the shelf Fenders are too hit-or-miss.
PDT_038
OH... For F**K SAKE... why, just why?
I can't take it much longer... :?
..... and RELAX.
I know it's stupid spending money on stuff I never get round to using, but it keeps me happy (.... sort of). If we only spent money on things we "need", none of us would actually own very much at all, would we?
I stand by the statement. But anyway, I said "I'd probably still go the self-build route", not "I will go the self-build route".
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Anyway, the guitar looks good! :D
The neck dimensions sound decent, finish looks great. I'm a bit surprised it doesn't come with a gig bag - Fender cost cutting?
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You know I'm joshing.. well maybe goading but the offer of a build party is always there if you finally crack and I figure we could turn out 3 finished guitars in one day if you buy pizza. PDT_002 PDT_002
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You know I'm joshing.. well maybe goading but the offer of a build party is always there if you finally crack and I figure we could turn out 3 finished guitars in one day if you buy pizza. PDT_002 PDT_002
3 guitars in a day? No chance. In the very rare instance that I ever actually do anything, I do it properly - and very, very, very slowly.
But the pizza thing sounds good, although I'd have to opt for a low-carb alternative. :P
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OK pizza it is and we'll build ONE guitar together...
Just please don't consider buying a bag of flour, cheese & some pepperoni with the intention of having an actual pizza anytime soon. :P
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I daren't buy flour - keep it too long and you end up with weevils.
That doesn't happen with Warmoth necks.... at least I don't think it does. :?
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I'd probably still go the self-build route, though, because that way you can pick a body of just the right weight. Off the shelf Fenders are too hit-or-miss.
PDT_038
OH... For F**K SAKE... why, just why?
I can't take it much longer... :?
That was the argument for me. I know I can't build one for what I paid for this. It was sort of an instinctual purchase. No way they can continue to offer something this good specs and quality for this price for very long. $590.00 US delivered. And they got the specs all wrong on the website. Its 22 not 21, it's a fat U and a wide nut. Can't imagine the Mexican ones will continue to be this good once the US models are introduced. I'm guessing MSRP $1299.00 US
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Well, over $1000.00 US at Warmoth to buy all the parts. Just priced it all out.
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I've now had two of these come through my shop for a punter. One he ordered then a replacement as the first was poor. The second was the same.
The bridge pickup isn't F-spaced, but the bridge is, and the necks were both misaligned. High E popping off the fretboard all the time. Really disappointing.