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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: adamj on July 29, 2012, 05:18:52 PM
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Currently looking at spending a little bit of cash to put some life back into my gear. This is my current 4x12:
http://www.laney.co.uk/show_prod.php?prod=lx412a
Fortunately I got rid of the craaapp LX120 head and invested in an Orange Th30 head not too long ago. Back in the day (about 7 years ago) i was in a Death Metal band, so i pushed the speakers in my cab with quite a lot of filth, so im looking to compliment my new head as well as get a nice sound from the speakers. The current ones are Celestion Rocket 50's and I quite happy with them, but im a complete novice when it comes to speakers. The cab itself is fine so ill just whip the old ones out, probably one at a time so i can afford it. An suggestions ranging from budget and upwards is fine. I currently playing typical pub rock such as Pink Floyd, Oasis, Killers, Kasabian, GnR, Arctic Monkeys, Rolling Stones kind of stuff, so theres quite a big range of tones.
Also tempted to get different coloured ones (such as orange ;)) as you can see them through the kick grill and its an added bit of flair!
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there is an insane amount of choice!
I'd get 2 x G12M greenbacks and 2 x Celestion V30s, they combine well together.
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Way too much choice. You just have to try them out with your head and see what you like the sound of. There is no "best" choice.
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Forgot to say the cab runs on 8ohms if that narrows it down?!
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You can usually get speakers in either 8 or 16 ohms so you'll be fine. I recommend the Celestion G12h30's with V30's.
For me it's perfect.
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Forgot to say the cab runs on 8ohms if that narrows it down?!
the cab is whatever the speakers are (combined with the stock wiring), so i don't think it really affects things. Assuming it's the usual series/parallel combo that most 4x12s seem to use, you can pretty much use anything.
that being said...
is the cab any good? It's definitely one of laney's cheaper cabs- is it even ply? if it's not ply i'd just sell it and buy another cab. If it is, it might be worth upgrading the speakers, but four decent speakers are likely to cost you the guts of £300, which is not far off what decent 4x12s with decent speakers cost. Granted if you buy your own speakers you have more choice (as most cabs with decent speakers have v30s), but yeah.
for what you're playing i'd maybe try greenbacks with g12h30s. v30s sound pretty modern to me (though some of those combos which have been mentioned are very nice too, and do tone them down somewhat/a lot). the g12t75 is very nice combined with them, too, but again is a bit more on the modern side of things. Not metalcore modern, but certainly 80s thrash/hair metal type of modern.
EDIT: i've been on a bit of a speaker binge recently, lol. If you're in no rush, I was thinking of ordering another couple of speakers tonight, so you can wait to hear what i think of them. Or else just search in places like tgp and harmony central to see what people think.
if you want to keep the cost down, the eminence gb128 is meant to be pretty nice, but i haven't tried it yet (it's one of the ones i was going to pick up), and is supposedly pretty greenbacky.
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I own a TH30 and IMO nothing works with better with it than V30s
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yeah oranges are pretty dark, aren't they? might work well. Some of those other options might be too dark (i don't have an orange to try my speakers with, most of my amps are brighter).
you could always get the harley benton cab on thomann... it's gone up a little since i got mine (:D ) but it's still pretty good value. you're getting the cab for like £30 or something like that when you account for the cost of the v30s, and while it's not going to win any prizes, it's a reasonable to decent cab made out of ply that sounds pretty good.
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yeah oranges are pretty dark, aren't they? might work well. Some of those other options might be too dark (i don't have an orange to try my speakers with, most of my amps are brighter).
you could always get the harley benton cab on thomann... it's gone up a little since i got mine (:D ) but it's still pretty good value. you're getting the cab for like £30 or something like that when you account for the cost of the v30s, and while it's not going to win any prizes, it's a reasonable to decent cab made out of ply that sounds pretty good.
The more vintage sounding oranges like the AD30 and OR50 are rather dark and spongy sounding but the more modern sounding one like the Rockerverb and TH30 are have a strong mid range and "present" top end. Certainly not spongy or dark.
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yeah oranges are pretty dark, aren't they? might work well. Some of those other options might be too dark (i don't have an orange to try my speakers with, most of my amps are brighter).
you could always get the harley benton cab on thomann... it's gone up a little since i got mine (:D ) but it's still pretty good value. you're getting the cab for like £30 or something like that when you account for the cost of the v30s, and while it's not going to win any prizes, it's a reasonable to decent cab made out of ply that sounds pretty good.
I use my Rockerverb 50 sometimes with a Koch 2x12 cab loaded with Jensen VG90's. Doesn't sound dark, just enough of every frequency.
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i thought the rockerverb was pretty dark :lol: Maybe that's just me :lol:
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My orange at the mo sounds great, not really dark sounding but excellent soaring leads when i overdrive the gain channl with my bad monkey.
The celestiin vintage 30's sound good. assuming i can replace just one speaker at a time ( i dont have enough free cash for a new cab or all 4 speakers!) also, only one speaker will be mic'd up at gigs.
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I think I'd say V30's as well.
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i thought the rockerverb was pretty dark :lol: Maybe that's just me :lol:
Compared to other amps they might sound dark. I had a Koch Multitone before my Rockerverb. Coming from the Koch the Orange sounded way more vintage and darker. It has more character too. Somehow they managed to keep the highs not icepicky, no matter how much treble you dial in. A great thing bec I play most of the time with single coils. On the Rockerverb they don;t sound whimpy. The amp provides a lot of low (land lowmids) when cranked, but it sure has enough highs. It's my workhorse and it cand handle every guitar with authority, though my impression is that strats and tele's sound better on the Orange then mahogany-setneck-guitars.
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ah right, yeah if you mainly use single coils that makes sense. I generally use humbuckers (though mostly in superstrats or similar).
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ah right, yeah if you mainly use single coils that makes sense. I generally use humbuckers (though mostly in superstrats or similar).
Me too. The Crawler and VHII in my HSS-strats sound ace on the Rockerverb. With humbucker-loaded mahogany setneckguitars you really need to dial in less bass.
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I'm currently running through Eminence Texas Heat and Man-O-War speakers loaded in a cabinet I built from solid sassafras. I went for the Eminence speakers because they're a bit less expensive here in the US than Celestion. I was fairly impressed with the quality and the sound. My first choice has always been Ev 12Ls but they're costly.
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I'd get 2 x G12M greenbacks and 2 x Celestion V30s, they combine well together.
not really
they pair well in different cabs/setups
the v30's are way louder and more midrange dominant than the g12m's
they overpower most speakers in the market, unless you pair them with different voiced speakers, like the g12k100 or the g12t75
not that a cab with v30's and greenbacks together sound bad, but you're wasting 70% of the greenback tone, since you won't hear them
a cab with greenbacks and g12t75's would be great, as their voicings fit almost like opposite sex genitals on each other and they have the same sensitivity and magnet weight
first you gotta figure out what kind of speaker you like the most, and then what kind of speakers sound best with your amp
I love the smooth and "small" range of the greenbacks
they are all about crunchy mids, but not honky or aggressive
the vintage 30 has a punchier low end, in your face mids and a bit harsher top
I love them as well, mostly for recording and for some live amps, but others can sound way too honky
for smaller cabs, I love the mesa celestion black shadow (custom variation of the classic lead 80), and it sounds amazing with hot rodded marshalls
lots of low end, strong but smooth top, flat non-scooped mids
higher wattage speakers with flatter or scooped midrange tend to sound better for cleans
the v30 is hard to beat for distorted rhythms and the greenback for fat lead tones
funnily enough, my modded vintage JMP sounds better in person through a stock laney cab (not sure which speakers) than through an expensive mesa 4x12 with v30's (the mesa always wins for recording, though)
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Here's what I'd do:
Celestion V30s are recommended and cool. However, I'd save some cash and get two Eminence Governors instead, as they sound more or less like V30s and cost less, and put them in the top slots of the cabinet (the ones that hit the ears). That should give you the most of your investment in most band contexts. The bottom ones I'd probably keep, they might blend nicely, but rather save up for one day getting a top brand 4x12 instead.
Don't think that just because Eminences are cheaper than Celestions they're lower quality - they're not. I bet the distributors play a large role in the price differences.
Eminence makes a whole range of speakers and I could blahblah a lot for ages which ones are also great, but really you can't go wrong with the Governor, Wizard or Swamp Thang from Eminence.
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thanks alex ill look ino that
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not really
they pair well in different cabs/setups
the v30's are way louder and more midrange dominant than the g12m's
they overpower most speakers in the market, unless you pair them with different voiced speakers, like the g12k100 or the g12t75
not that a cab with v30's and greenbacks together sound bad, but you're wasting 70% of the greenback tone, since you won't hear them
a cab with greenbacks and g12t75's would be great, as their voicings fit almost like opposite sex genitals on each other and they have the same sensitivity and magnet weight
i didn't notice that at all- the greenback combined with a v30 sounded pretty good, and i wouldn't say either really overpowered the other. the greenback also really toned down the v30, so I wouldn't say it was wasted in that respect.
i tried the greenback with a g12t75 as well, but i can't much remember how that combo sounded. Pretty good, i expect, but i think i probably liked other combos better.
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Here's what I'd do:
Celestion V30s are recommended and cool. However, I'd save some cash and get two Eminence Governors instead, as they sound more or less like V30s and cost less, and put them in the top slots of the cabinet (the ones that hit the ears). That should give you the most of your investment in most band contexts. The bottom ones I'd probably keep, they might blend nicely, but rather save up for one day getting a top brand 4x12 instead.
Don't think that just because Eminences are cheaper than Celestions they're lower quality - they're not. I bet the distributors play a large role in the price differences.
Eminence makes a whole range of speakers and I could blahblah a lot for ages which ones are also great, but really you can't go wrong with the Governor, Wizard or Swamp Thang from Eminence.
they are high quality, but they don't sound like celestions
I have a governor in a cheap 1x12 and I had at least three v30's in this same cab
the governor sounds absolutely nothing like those
if he's in the US or UK, grabbing a used nicely broken in v30 isn't more expensive than a new governor
I didn't like the governor at all, but the wizard sounds pretty nice with some particular amps
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not really
they pair well in different cabs/setups
the v30's are way louder and more midrange dominant than the g12m's
they overpower most speakers in the market, unless you pair them with different voiced speakers, like the g12k100 or the g12t75
not that a cab with v30's and greenbacks together sound bad, but you're wasting 70% of the greenback tone, since you won't hear them
a cab with greenbacks and g12t75's would be great, as their voicings fit almost like opposite sex genitals on each other and they have the same sensitivity and magnet weight
i didn't notice that at all- the greenback combined with a v30 sounded pretty good, and i wouldn't say either really overpowered the other. the greenback also really toned down the v30, so I wouldn't say it was wasted in that respect.
i tried the greenback with a g12t75 as well, but i can't much remember how that combo sounded. Pretty good, i expect, but i think i probably liked other combos better.
I had a lot of trouble trying to match v30's to other speakers in my 1960A
I ended up taking them out for good, as they overpowered pretty much every speaker in that cab (g12t75, g12m blackbacks, and the ones I still have in it)
now it has 2 x scumback h75's (weber made g12h clones) and 2 x MG music black dogs (brazilian made with same parts as the weber silver bell)
actually they would pair well with the h75's, but they are still a little more dominant
the black dogs sound a lot like the bk pickup model
it's a heavier and louder vintage greenback with a tamed smooth top
it overpowered the blackbacks volume by a large margin, and they still got overpowered by the v30's also by a large margin
the scumbacks are still a little louder and a lot more aggressive, but they blend quite evenly
black dog:
http://tonefinder.com/?section=id&value=6805
v30:
http://tonefinder.com/?section=id&value=6804
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The speaker combo I use is the Eminence Legend V128 and Swamp Thang (in a Zilla 2x12). Maybe something to look into, since most people tend to overlook Eminence, at least in my experience anyways. I've played covers stuff, to punk, to REALLY heavy metal with these, and never once have I been unhappy with 'em.
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^ that's interesting. though i won't really be able to try the combo as my swamp thang is 16 ohm :lol:
I had a lot of trouble trying to match v30's to other speakers in my 1960A
I ended up taking them out for good, as they overpowered pretty much every speaker in that cab (g12t75, g12m blackbacks, and the ones I still have in it)
now it has 2 x scumback h75's (weber made g12h clones) and 2 x MG music black dogs (brazilian made with same parts as the weber silver bell)
actually they would pair well with the h75's, but they are still a little more dominant
maybe it's worse in a 4x12 format, i only tried the combos in a 2x12. :)
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^ that's interesting. though i won't really be able to try the combo as my swamp thang is 16 ohm :lol:
Well, that sucks :lol:
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The speaker combo I use is the Eminence Legend V128 and Swamp Thang (in a Zilla 2x12). Maybe something to look into, since most people tend to overlook Eminence, at least in my experience anyways. I've played covers stuff, to punk, to REALLY heavy metal with these, and never once have I been unhappy with 'em.
Sorry for the hijack but I've been looking into the Emi Legend V128s and GB128s as a combo to go in my Zilla 2x12 Fatboy cab. What amp do you use them with etc?
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The speaker combo I use is the Eminence Legend V128 and Swamp Thang (in a Zilla 2x12). Maybe something to look into, since most people tend to overlook Eminence, at least in my experience anyways. I've played covers stuff, to punk, to REALLY heavy metal with these, and never once have I been unhappy with 'em.
Sorry for the hijack but I've been looking into the Emi Legend V128s and GB128s as a combo to go in my Zilla 2x12 Fatboy cab. What amp do you use them with etc?
No problemo! My entire rig is as follows;
Ibanez RGD2127z w/SD Blackouts > ISP Decimator G-string > Blackstar S1-100 > Zilla Fatboy
Loop send > ISP Decimator G-string (same pedal) > Loop return
It sounds positively awesome.
EDIT: If I get chance tomorrow night, I'll try and knock a clip together for you with my amateur mic skills and lack of room treatment. I assume mic'ing the V128 is what you'll want to hear rather than the Swamp Thang :lol:
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No problemo! My entire rig is as follows;
Ibanez RGD2127z w/SD Blackouts > ISP Decimator G-string > Blackstar S1-100 > Zilla Fatboy
Loop send > ISP Decimator G-string (same pedal) > Loop return
It sounds positively awesome.
EDIT: If I get chance tomorrow night, I'll try and knock a clip together for you with my amateur mic skills and lack of room treatment. I assume mic'ing the V128 is what you'll want to hear rather than the Swamp Thang :lol:
Thanks!
I'll move to PMs so as to not hijack the OPs thread anymore :lol:
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^ might as well keep it in the thread... i have a gb128 and v128 on the way too, if lean actually ever deigns to send them out (i ordered them on sunday and apparently the order is still "processing" :? )
Well, that sucks :lol:
yeah i originally bought the texas heat to use on its own, and needed it to be 16 ohm. Then about 2 days later realised the texas heat/swamp thang combo was meant to be really good. :lol: so of course that meant i had to buy the swamp thang in 16 ohm, too.
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^ might as well keep it in the thread... i have a gb128 and v128 on the way too, if lean actually ever deigns to send them out (i ordered them on sunday and apparently the order is still "processing" :? )
Well, that sucks :lol:
yeah i originally bought the texas heat to use on its own, and needed it to be 16 ohm. Then about 2 days later realised the texas heat/swamp thang combo was meant to be really good. :lol: so of course that meant i had to buy the swamp thang in 16 ohm, too.
I'll keep my eyes open for your opinion of the pair of Emi Legends. They're looking like the favourites to replace the v30s in my Zilla cab.
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the gb128 sounds pretty good
quite fat and round
not a fan of the v128, though
both sound totally different from a celestion
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^ i got the v128s to try with my jet city, since they're meant to work pretty well with them (and soldano uses v12s in its cabs). Mainly because, although the celestions didn't sound "bad" with the jet city, none really sounded "great" either. So rather than faff about any more i figured i'd just try the speakers that are meant to pair well with it. :lol:
I'll keep my eyes open for your opinion of the pair of Emi Legends. They're looking like the favourites to replace the v30s in my Zilla cab.
don't hold your breath, they still haven't been sent :lol:
I'll give them until monday then drop them an email :) Assuming that sorts it out and they send it when i email them, hopefully i'll have them before the end of the week.
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don't hold your breath, they still haven't been sent :lol:
I'll give them until monday then drop them an email :) Assuming that sorts it out and they send it when i email them, hopefully i'll have them before the end of the week.
Fwiw, Lean got my speakers out to me really quick when I had my Zilla built, got my speakers shipped straight from them to Paul. The woman I spoke to was extremely helpful too. Not sure if you've dealt with them before mind, so you might already know this, hahah! I usually use BlueAran for speakers, truth be told.
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^ thanks :) yeah, i've used blue aran a couple of times and they were great, they shipped stuff out the next day and it arrived two days later.
This is the first time I've used Lean- i'm getting a couple of taydens to try them and they seem to be the only people who stock them.
it does say on the lean site that, since they have such large stocks (and everything i ordered was in stock, and still seems to be) it means they can ship stuff quickly :? Maybe they're on holiday or short-staffed with the olympics or something- don't want to complain too much in case they have a perfectly legitimate reason for not having sent it. As I said, I'll give them until Monday (doubt much will happen over the weekend anyway, plus i have a doctor's appointment on Tuesday and don't want them turning up in the middle of that :lol: ), then drop them an email.
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Right, I've roughed together most of a song to demonstrate the V128. Bear in mind this is the 3rd time I've ever had chance to record something with a mic'ed cab, I've not mixed it at all besides levels and a bit of compression and reverb on the kit, and compression on the bass.
Chain here is
Guitar: Ibanez RGD2127z w/SD Blackouts > Blackstar S1-100 > Zilla Fatboy
Bass: Cort Curbow > Ampeg SVX/TSE X50
Was mic'ed on the the edge of the cap, touching the grill.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/29641023/Arterial%20Failure%20Blackstar.mp3
Enjoy. It's something I'm working on for my band and isn't finished yet.
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brootal :D
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Thanking you sir! Hope you enjoyed it!
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^ i got the v128s to try with my jet city, since they're meant to work pretty well with them (and soldano uses v12s in its cabs). Mainly because, although the celestions didn't sound "bad" with the jet city, none really sounded "great" either. So rather than faff about any more i figured i'd just try the speakers that are meant to pair well with it. :lol:
I'll keep my eyes open for your opinion of the pair of Emi Legends. They're looking like the favourites to replace the v30s in my Zilla cab.
don't hold your breath, they still haven't been sent :lol:
I'll give them until monday then drop them an email :) Assuming that sorts it out and they send it when i email them, hopefully i'll have them before the end of the week.
So you'll be using them with a Jet City too? Even better as should give me a really good idea of how they'll work for me :D
Soldano use Legend V1218s (I think?) which are custom voiced Eminence Legends that don't seem to match up with anything they currently have on their site.
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^ i got the v128s to try with my jet city, since they're meant to work pretty well with them (and soldano uses v12s in its cabs). Mainly because, although the celestions didn't sound "bad" with the jet city, none really sounded "great" either. So rather than faff about any more i figured i'd just try the speakers that are meant to pair well with it. :lol:
I'll keep my eyes open for your opinion of the pair of Emi Legends. They're looking like the favourites to replace the v30s in my Zilla cab.
don't hold your breath, they still haven't been sent :lol:
I'll give them until monday then drop them an email :) Assuming that sorts it out and they send it when i email them, hopefully i'll have them before the end of the week.
So you'll be using them with a Jet City too? Even better as should give me a really good idea of how they'll work for me :D
Soldano use Legend V1218s (I think?) which are custom voiced Eminence Legends that don't seem to match up with anything they currently have on their site.
V1216's
Theyre the exact same as the v128 according to people on the soldano forum other than the fact theyre 16ohm.
Just buy some already!
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V1216's
Theyre the exact same as the v128 according to people on the soldano forum other than the fact theyre 16ohm.
Just buy some already!
I knew it was something along those lines so shoot me! :lol:
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Thanking you sir! Hope you enjoyed it!
that sounds wicked!
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So you'll be using them with a Jet City too? Even better as should give me a really good idea of how they'll work for me :D
Soldano use Legend V1218s (I think?) which are custom voiced Eminence Legends that don't seem to match up with anything they currently have on their site.
yep, i can try them with the jet city if that'd help you :) i have the 50 watt head which i'm guessing is not too far away from your soldano clone.
and yeah as toe-knee said soldano uses v12s. You seem to only be able to get them in 8 ohm impedance off the shelf.
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So you'll be using them with a Jet City too? Even better as should give me a really good idea of how they'll work for me :D
Soldano use Legend V1218s (I think?) which are custom voiced Eminence Legends that don't seem to match up with anything they currently have on their site.
yep, i can try them with the jet city if that'd help you :) i have the 50 watt head which i'm guessing is not too far away from your soldano clone.
and yeah as toe-knee said soldano uses v12s. You seem to only be able to get them in 8 ohm impedance off the shelf.
Cheers! :lol:
I think I'm either going for a pair of V128s or a V128/GB128 combo. I look forward to hearing your opinions :D
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right well i got an email back from lean, looks like they're out of stock of the taydens i ordered and the delivery they were expecting last week hasn't turned up yet. Looking like (late) next week, unfortunately :( Sorry about that. :)
EDIT: yeah when they get here i can try both of those combos, i have a pair of v128s and a single gb128 on the way.
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right well i got an email back from lean, looks like they're out of stock of the taydens i ordered and the delivery they were expecting last week hasn't turned up yet. Looking like (late) next week, unfortunately :( Sorry about that. :)
EDIT: yeah when they get here i can try both of those combos, i have a pair of v128s and a single gb128 on the way.
Sounds like a plan. Cheers mate, appreciate your help :D
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No problem :)
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ah, sorry to bump this, but it looks like the speakers won't be here now until next week (and even that's not guaranteed) :( Just thought i'd better let you know in case you were waiting to hear from me.
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You can usually get speakers in either 8 or 16 ohms so you'll be fine. I recommend the Celestion G12h30's with V30's.
For me it's perfect.
I also am a fan of the G12H-30s but with a twist..... Avatar take that speaker and breaks it in for you. They call it the Hellatone. price is $99 a speaker....... It is a Celestion with their label over it. http://www.avatarspeakers.com/ click on speakers and page down to the Hellatones....
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right well the speakers finally turned up yesterday :lol:
admittedly very early days and things might change completely when it's broken in, but i wasn't super-fussed on the gb128. Need to try it head to head with a greenback though. really like the v12 though. EDIT: ok so completely disregard what i said about the GB128. :lol: Tried it again today (and versus a greenback) and liked it. :lol:
^ does avatar even ship to the UK? I know they're meant to be great value in the US (they're kinda the stock budget-but-decent cab recommendation on the more USA-orientated guitar forums I post on), but I have a feeling they don't ship outside the US and Canada. Or if they do, postage and VAT/Customs probably erode any savings. :)
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Good thing you like 'em!
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is that to me? if so, thanks :)
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Nope! the other dave_mc.... :)
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:lol:
:drink: