Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Matej on October 10, 2012, 07:07:14 AM
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Hello! I'm Matej from Italy! I need an advice :) Ok, I have a Gibson SG Standard with a set of Riff Raff/Mule pickups. I have an Orange Rockerverb 100 MKII with 4x12 Orange V30's. With my guitar, this amp sound good, but it is too modern and I don't know which amp to buy for classic crunch/ACDC/lynyrd skynyrd/hellacopters sound. So, I would like to ask some owners of this pickups, which is the amp that sounds the best with this set of pickups. I'm looking for a half stack, so 50w/100w head and a 4x12 cabinet :) thanx!
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It has to be a Marshall 1959 model Plexi handwired and the matching 4x12 if you play loud!
What budget do you have, and how loud do you play?
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I second Twinfan's advice but indeed these are very loud amps. Depending on the tone you are shooting for and the volume you are allowed to play you may need a boost/overdrive pedal and/or a power attentuator with this set up. Another good option is the Vox AC-30 or a derivative of it (e.g. Matchless DC-30, Bad Cat Black Cat, Top Hat King Royale, Valvetech Hayseed and I am sure there are more).
Cheers Stephan
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Marshall or Wizard Amps.
If you cannot play loud, get a good attenuator.
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you could try a marshall master volume model 2203 or 2204. they sound not-bad at bedroom volumes even with the built in MV.. but for the magic to happen you need to turn it up a bit.
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you could try a marshall master volume model 2203 or 2204. they sound not-bad at bedroom volumes even with the built in MV.. but for the magic to happen you need to turn it up a bit.
Or you turn em full up and do the rest with the gain knob.
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The plexi hardwired will be the best amp, I know, but it is too much expensive. I cannot afford it. My budget is 1000euros more or less, so probably I'll get a used amp for this money. Probably I could afford the SLP 100 watt or even the 2203. I'm worried about the JCM800, because probably this amp is too much hard rock oriented. Since I already have a 4x12 cab, do you think that a Marshall head (like SLP 100) will sound good with an Orange 4x12 loaded with V30s?
PS. and what about the new Orange OR50H?
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Your cab will be OK for now, I'd buy a used Plexi and enjoy it!
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A Marshall of some sort, a la 1987, 1959, 2203, 2204, etc. No contest IMO!
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... with an Orange 4x12 loaded with V30s?
BTW have you tried your amp with a different cab? The V30 - even though it has the word "vintage" in its name is a rather modern sounding speaker with a very pronounced aggressiveness in the midrange.
Cheers Stephan
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there's a new player that's been bugging my mind since I heard about it
bad cat cougar 50
amp is actually made by kustom
costs about 500-600 euros at thomann.de
not really a marshall tone, but goes from vox sparkly cleans to cranked vox/plexi like tones all the way to big doomy high gain
for the price, that's one hard to beat option and you could still sell it for the same, as they cost a lot more in the US
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BTW have you tried your amp with a different cab?
I've tried to change the speakers of the Orange 4x12: Scumback M75 and G12H Heritage 75hz with bad results. The Rockerverb sounds good ONLY with V30. Scumbacks had way too much low end (unplayable) and the G12H was very harsh and empty sounding. So I put 2 made in england V30s from 1996 and 2 chinese (25th anniversary) V30s
Which plexi should I buy? 1987x or 1959 SLP?
The Bad Cat seems to be a good amp, but probably I need an original Marshall crunchy rock sound :)
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bad cat cougar 50
This amp is too dark. Nothing beats a Marshall. I just bought a 100W JMP 2203 for 600GBP with brand new JJs in it and shipped. Get one of those, gain between 5 and 6 and you're set. If you wanna spend the remaining 400, get a Rivera Rock Crusher and you will have tone to die for at bedroom volume.
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bad cat cougar 50
This amp is too dark.
did you play it? it's a pain in the ass finding reviews of it
can you tell me more?
I bought one from thomann but had to cancel the purchase
bad cat told me the 240v transformer could be rewired to 120v, but hanser/kustom told me it couldn't be rewired or even rewound
a new transformer is US$100 and they didn't have it in stock
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Which plexi should I buy? 1987x or 1959 SLP?
50w or 100w, the choice is yours...
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A guy made me an offer: 1100 euros for a Marshall JMP 1959 from late '70s (no JCM). Is this amp worth buying? Is this the amp that I need? I saw also some JMP 2203 for the same price. From the pictures i can see that the 1959 JMP has 4 input jacks, while the JMP 2203 has only 2 inputs. Please, help me!
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The four input 1959 has less gain, no master volume and is more early AC/DC. The two input 2203 has a bit more gain and a master volulme and is more Randy Rhoads with Ozzy.
If you're playing loud and don't need the master volume I'd get the 1959 - it could be the only amp you'll ever need. If you need to back off the volume a bit and keep the gain then the 2203 may suit you better.
You really need to decide what YOU want - each of us here on the forum will prefer one or the other of those amps for different reasons. Neither is "better" than the other :)
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1100 euros sounds a bit expensive for late 70's jmps, unless they are flawless
also, keep in mind those amps need lots of volume to sound good
you should consider 50 watters, which are also LOUD, but get some compression a lot earlier
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MV is the way to go. 2203 is king!
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This is where I got my JMP 2203. He has a '79 4-holer. Some XLR jacks added which makes it less desirable in terms of vintage value, but the guy is great to deal with. His name is Paul Huish nd te 4-holer is 600GBP.
http://www.o2have.co.uk/index.php?page=items
He also has a 67 mint Plexi, but that is 5x the price :)
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This is where I got my JMP 2203. He has a '79 4-holer. Some XLR jacks added which makes it less desirable in terms of vintage value, but the guy is great to deal with. His name is Paul Huish nd te 4-holer is 600GBP.
http://www.o2have.co.uk/index.php?page=items
He also has a 67 mint Plexi, but that is 5x the price :)
PARK
1979 Master Volume 100W Head
This is literally the same as a Marshall, well it should be it was made by them!! All up and running with a set of Mullard EL34s.
£625
I'd easily take this one :D