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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: math2014 on February 21, 2006, 12:36:26 PM
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Hi all.
I am looking to jump into the realm of delay pedals. Now silly question no1. I play 60s and 70s hard rock (Zep,Cream,Sabbath,....) and GnR, Tool, Pearl Jam from modern stuff. Is a delay usefull for these kind of bands?
2nd.
I am considering the following
EHX Deluxe Memory Man (140quid)
CM Delayla (160quid)
HBE Mimic MockII (155quid)
Toadworks Redux (155quid)
Any opinions? experiences?
Thanks in advance
Yannis
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I've heard the Toadworks is a pretty neat effect but not particularly useful when it comes to being a straight delay. The EHX is pretty highly rated by most of its users, but will take up a fair bit of space on your pedal board.
You know exactly what delay is, right? Because if you can hear it on the records by the artists you like, then you'll know you want it! Also, delay is often very subtley involved in many songs, sometimes just to thicken up a vocal part or a solo etc. It's not always as obvious as it is in, say, 'Disposition' by Tool.
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Cheers Willo.
Well to be honest i have a hard time identifying delay in the bands i listed earlier on.
What i do know, is that a friend of mine gave me a demonstration of several delay pedals (not the ones listed) via Skype, and i was stoked by the nice features it can procide when playing or jamming in general (not to a particular song).
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There's also a new one from Home Brew Electronics for $195.-.
The Danelectro delay pedals are also quite good for the money.
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There's also a new one from Home Brew Electronics for $195.-.
The Danelectro delay pedals are also quite good for the money.
Yes thats the HBE (homebrew) Mimic but it costs 270$ and not 195$
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/TwilightOdyssey/DD20.jpg)
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Listen to the break in the middle of Dazed and Confused - that's delay 8)
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Listen to the break in the middle of Dazed and Confused - that's delay 8)
I originally recommended the Fulltone Tube Tape Echo.
But it's SPENSIVE!!
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Listen to the break in the middle of Dazed and Confused - that's delay 8)
you mean the bit that sounds like a whale?
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Hey TO, have you used the Gigadelay? It's currently top of the list on my delay's to buy. How did/do you find it?
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Also delay on:
The Grudge, 2:21 - 2: 35, 6:31 - 6:43
Schism, 3:31 - 5:21
Parabola 0:10 - 0:19
Ticks and Leeches, 0:31 - 0:55
Disposition, pretty much all guitar tracks
Those are just some of the different types of delay used on the Tool album, Lateralus. There's quite a lot of delay on that album. Some of it is quite obvious, and some of it is more subtle and used to fill out space in the song. Hopefully you can pick up on those examples and then hear them in other songs.
Personally, I don't think it would ever be a mistake to get a delay pedal - they are really great pedals to have, so long as you get the right one.
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Yes thats the HBE (homebrew) Mimic but it costs 270$ and not 195$
Oops! :oops: My bad.
Roland Space Echo and the old Echoplex units are actual tape echo/delay units. They cost a fortune but this is what all the greats used. Brian May, Jimmy Page, Brian Setzer etc. They're not reliable on stage but what a
sound! You can also do the middle section of 'whole lotta love' with those things.
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Cheers guys i really appreciate!
Out of the 4 i listed, which one would you tend to get?
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I think I would go with the HBE but I would wait untill TO posts a review.
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HBE looks good, but it also looks like a DM2/3 clone whereas the Delayla/DMM look like they pack more features
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Another one to consider might be the Diamond Memory Lane. Not cheap, but not terribly expensive either and a nice combination of old (analogue circuit, simulated tape warble) and new (550ms delay time, tap tempo (!), stereo, true bypass). I saw some Diamond products last year and was impressed by their build and component quality.
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Yeah, that Memory Lane sure is a beautiful pedal. I just think it's a little on the pricey side, personally.
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I've got the Deluxe Memory Man. I bought it from Analogman who modified it to be true-bypass but now they come as true-bypass by standard.
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Re. Willo: Granted the Memory Lane is not cheap but for a bit more money than say a Line6 delay modeler you get something better sounding with tap tempo and switchable modulation offering modern versatility. Building an analogue 550ms echo isn't that easy, leave alone designing a seperate digital circuit for the tap-tempo to control the echo times of a fully analogue echo unit. This combined with highgrade components makes for a higher price which I however don't think is unreasonable. I am glad there are companies making the effort to design, construct and market these more specialist and expensive units.
On topic... the Delay Modeler from Line6 is actually a pretty good echo unit too! I use one for slapback and ambient echo (both with the multihead model) and reverse with 100% mix so I sound completely backwards :D. However, as you might have guessed, it will be replaced shortly by a Memory Lane.
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Tin(it)us, have you had a chance to play the Memory Lane? Only I see that it's stocked in a few shops on the Continent, but not here in the UK (where I live). So my big concern - and I mean for me, personally - is shelling out £270 on an FX unit without being able to try it out beforehand. I did a similar thing with the EHX 16 Second Delay, and whilst I thought it was a good unit, it didn't quite suit me. I'm worried that the same thing might happen with the Memory Lane. If you've been able to play with it already, how did you find it?
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I was able to test one two months ago while on holiday in Germany, although not very thorougly (about 10mins). My impression was that it didn't alter the main tone like my line6 does a bit and the echos were very natural in the mix, warm but not dull. The modulation is like a vibrato and is close to what a tape-echo does (I owned a Roland RE501 for a few years so I know how that sounds). It selfoscillates pretty easy which is cool if you like to fiddle with that.
Overall I was impressed by the sounds I was getting both with short and longer echo times so I'm saving up for the upgrade. The Diamond range is now actually imported over here in the Netherlands so I should be able to test it some more before I take the plunge. I agree that blindly ordering one at this price is risky. I certainly wouldn't do it without testing one.
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Lots of interesting stuff mates.
But , has anyone tried the Deluxe Memory Man and the Delayla back to back?
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/TwilightOdyssey/DD20.jpg)
I want. :o
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I've also been on a delay hunt recently and have tried most mentioned here. As a result I have narrowed the search down to a grand total of one... the T-Rex Replica.
It covers both modern and vintage territory and is super quiet, studio quality kit. Although it comes at a price...
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If your looking to find out what famous bands use try http://www.guitargeek.com/
search there for your favourite band
That will give you a start. Also dont discount cheap stuff. DD3 DD6 boss gear is sturdy reliable and gets the job done.
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Sounds like you're after analog delay rather than digital? That will dictate your choice of effect.
I have an EHX Deluxe Memory Man and it's a great pedal - loads of variety, plus it does analog chorus too. Sounds like you need to get into a good guitar shop and back-to-back a bunch of pedals :D
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i would go with the TC electronics Vintage delay. Its such a sweet sounding, natural delay, with a filter switch to make the true tape echo sound as it deteriorates. They are expensive though, but tap temp, triplet switch, effect level, knob for delay rate (as well as tap) and output. The lights are hella bright, strobe light too. Excellent pedla, the -rex delay is the same but a little cheaper, i just liked the TC's lights.
Hope it helped
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Sounds like you're after analog delay rather than digital? That will dictate your choice of effect.
I have an EHX Deluxe Memory Man and it's a great pedal - loads of variety, plus it does analog chorus too. Sounds like you need to get into a good guitar shop and back-to-back a bunch of pedals :D
Problem is that i live in Exeter, and the local shops here only have
1.Delayla
1.Delayla XL
1 Boss DD3
1 Boss DD5
and NOTHING else... sucks huh?
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dude, at least your only local guitar shop isnt a machinehead branch!
lol...
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I think you should blag a trip somewhere with a decent range to try out. Could be an excuse for a trip to Denmark Street????
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I think you should blag a trip somewhere with a decent range to try out. Could be an excuse for a trip to Denmark Street????
A trip yes, to Denmark street, no... that would cost me 1000GBP
Which translates into 2 pedals + another Tokai LP. So no Denmark street for me.
Could try Bath though ;)
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so where are you from dude? surely your not one of these genius' from another country on here who speaks amazing english....
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so where are you from dude? surely your not one of these genius' from another country on here who speaks amazing english....
Athens, Greece originally but i am here in England for the last 4 yrs :)
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its so annoying how loads of people can speak such great english but i suck at foregin languages... i find em so hard...
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Anyone tried the Line 6 Echo Park digi-delay?
The folks over at http://www.diystompboxes.com seem to like it and they build effects. Never tried one myself but the clips at Line 6 http://www.line6.com/tonecore/ sound good.
Any opinions out there?
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I heard those Line 6 stompboxes could be pretty noisy; also, they require a lot of power if you're planning on using them with a multi-adapter/power unit. Of course, this is just what I've heard, and a lot of people seem to have a pretty big prejudice against Line 6 for some reason. :?
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Hmm it seems after all that the DMM is the best option in the 120-150GBP price bracket
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Hmm it seems after all that the DMM is the best option in the 120-150GBP price bracket
In that price range you are pretty limited.
Line 6 I abhor due to the Spider amp I owned but tonecore seems to be OK, and I am considering the rotary speaker sim.
Marshall have released a new echo that looks interesting and quite cheap (and their new reverb looks nice too reverse reverb Oh Yes)
Berhenger still havn't release their sub 30 UKP delay (2.5 second delay)
I have a Boss DD6 which is OK but I like old analogue delays that allow you to get really silly by playing with the regneration and delay knobs. Unfortunitely most digital delays simply can't do anything worthwhile and at best make a sad sort of noise that sounds somthing like "Fweep"
If you want warmth then go for analogue, if you want versatility digital is probably the direction.
Rob...