Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: wolfenstein on October 23, 2012, 09:40:04 AM
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Hi guys.I'm going to order warpig bridge pickup but I need last shot to decide if alnico or ceramic.Guitar when would be placed is ltd viper maple neck through alder wings ebony fretboard which is quite midy and bright.In case I will not be satisfied with it I would place it to my Gibson SG standard which is also on brighter side of eq.Playing almost all kinds of heavy music (from HC to Grind Core) through 92' dual recto and Marshsall 2203KK and V30 equiped cabs.Thank you for help....
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My Ltd Viper is housing a ceramic WP bridge and a overwound MQ neck. The WP really slays. For a Recto I would generally prefer a ceramic pickup but it might be helpful if you would give us some more sonic references to make a recommmendation.
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Hey Pop...Thanx for imput...I´m sure that Warpig is made for my Viper no doubt...I have there now Miracle Man which is quite bright and almost twangy on high mid-treble side...Propably that ebony fretboard has own part on it as well...I also have all mahogany Viper but there is night and day difference in comparison between those two axes...So basicaly I need to tame highs and increase low end...Also I want bit more gain and agression than has Miracle Man...I´m influenced by bands as Napalm Death,Hatebreed,Merauder,S.O.D.,Exodus etc-heavy riffs with lot of palm mute...I hope it helps...Thank you...
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I'm not too familiar with the bands you listed so maybe someone else can chime in. Generelly for drop / down tuned palm muting stuff I would prefer the ceramic version to keep the chugging really tight.
Its always a good idea to send an email to Tim explaining exactly what you are after - his recommendation have never failed me.
Good luck on you tone hunt!
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I allways contact Tim to hear his advice but not this time...I'm pretty sure that Tim would recomend Cpig for down tuned palm mute chuging for tighter bass response but I read good things from people what swear with Apig in alder/maple...There should be kind of growl what ceramic doesn't produce...Also it's more organic and versatile....
edit:This bloody good clip push me think seriously about Apig...
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=jkpPhaPn3ig&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjkpPhaPn3ig&gl=CZ
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that's killertonetexas les paul
he has lots of other videos playing with the a-pig
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Yeah I´ve checked some his vids...That Fortin Evil Pumpkin sounds amazing...So...He has A pig in Les paul Custom which is nice slab of heavy mahogany and it sounds quite balanced...:twisted:
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Ready to order Apig...Just need to know last thing...Is there any difference in sound between screws and bolts?
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Ready to order Apig...Just need to know last thing...Is there any difference in sound between screws and bolts?
I have heard somewhere that the shape of the magnetic field is slightly different, so it might affect the tone remotely, but the difference should be extremely minimal at best. 0,1mm in height adjustment should make more of a difference I think.
Plus when I asked Ben about this he said that there virtually is no difference and I should just go with what looked better to me. Ordered a set of battleworn AMs with nickel screws and like em a lot (though they are not as battered as I hoped they would be, just got a little unlucky).
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I've got a 6 string Apig and just got a 7 string Cpig in a custom guitar and play through A dual rect.
Gotta say the whole ceramic through a recto thing is worth listening to. I still like the A pig allot but the ceramic def tightens up the bass a little and the extra cut ont he Cpig is great as well
Now I have the Cpig I'm getting tempted to swap the A pig for a ceramic PU
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I've got a 6 string Apig and just got a 7 string Cpig in a custom guitar and play through A dual rect.
Gotta say the whole ceramic through a recto thing is worth listening to. I still like the A pig allot but the ceramic def tightens up the bass a little and the extra cut ont he Cpig is great as well
Now I have the Cpig I'm getting tempted to swap the A pig for a ceramic PU
Not ordered yet...How low you tune your 6 sting axe?I´m on C#...Can you compare these two beasts when you play heavy palm mute rifs?...I mean something like this ↓ ↓ ↓
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHW_qnTvcXc&feature=related
Thank you...
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C-pig ordered.... PDT_003
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I've got a 6 string Apig and just got a 7 string Cpig in a custom guitar and play through A dual rect.
Gotta say the whole ceramic through a recto thing is worth listening to. I still like the A pig allot but the ceramic def tightens up the bass a little and the extra cut ont he Cpig is great as well
Now I have the Cpig I'm getting tempted to swap the A pig for a ceramic PU
Not ordered yet...How low you tune your 6 sting axe?I´m on C#...Can you compare these two beasts when you play heavy palm mute rifs?...I mean something like this ↓ ↓ ↓
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHW_qnTvcXc&feature=related
Thank you...
SOD, nice!!!! :D
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I've got a 6 string Apig and just got a 7 string Cpig in a custom guitar and play through A dual rect.
Gotta say the whole ceramic through a recto thing is worth listening to. I still like the A pig allot but the ceramic def tightens up the bass a little and the extra cut ont he Cpig is great as well
Now I have the Cpig I'm getting tempted to swap the A pig for a ceramic PU
Not ordered yet...How low you tune your 6 sting axe?I´m on C#...Can you compare these two beasts when you play heavy palm mute rifs?...I mean something like this ↓ ↓ ↓
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHW_qnTvcXc&feature=related
Thank you...
SOD, nice!!!! :D
Yeah man...Best band ever...Best guitar sound too...At least to me...Scotty´s right hand rules....
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I see I'm a bit too late on this one, but here's my two cents if the ceramic warpig is too much. With a brighter guitar usually an Alnico 5 will warm up the response while increasing the bottom end and rounding out the tone. I can usually get a really tight palm mute even with alnico 5, it just depends on the scale of the guitar and the voicing of the pickups. I have a set of Bill n' becky L500's in a PRS SE Custom 24 that can handle any style almost :D Shorter scale guitars like Les Pauls, for instance, have a mushier feel than a longer scale like PRS, strat style or Baritone
However, if you are using a lower tuning through a Mesa, the ceramic will be tighter like everyone else has said. The high end is usually brighter and a bit more raspy with a ceramic magnet, but will clean things up considerably on the low end. Having double screws will soften the high end on a pickup. (I had a few conversations on this with Suhr) and tends to smooth out the treble response on a pickup. Just some info I've picked up from people in the industry I've spoken with. Tim, like always, is a the best source on his products and you can always exchange them! Good luck!
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I see I'm a bit too late on this one, but here's my two cents if the ceramic warpig is too much. With a brighter guitar usually an Alnico 5 will warm up the response while increasing the bottom end and rounding out the tone. I can usually get a really tight palm mute even with alnico 5, it just depends on the scale of the guitar and the voicing of the pickups. I have a set of Bill n' becky L500's in a PRS SE Custom 24 that can handle any style almost :D Shorter scale guitars like Les Pauls, for instance, have a mushier feel than a longer scale like PRS, strat style or Baritone
However, if you are using a lower tuning through a Mesa, the ceramic will be tighter like everyone else has said. The high end is usually brighter and a bit more raspy with a ceramic magnet, but will clean things up considerably on the low end. Having double screws will soften the high end on a pickup. (I had a few conversations on this with Suhr) and tends to smooth out the treble response on a pickup. Just some info I've picked up from people in the industry I've spoken with. Tim, like always, is a the best source on his products and you can always exchange them! Good luck!
It´s lottery a bit...Everytime...Specialy with Bare Knuckles...But I like whole process untill you´ll get it to your guitar...Anyway thank you for comment...The guitar is longer scale an it´s bright enough...But I have couple mahogany guitars left so in case too much treble scenario I will move it there...As someone said before there is more factors as preamp tubes,cables,speakers and cab voicing what helps shape overal tone too...
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Not ordered yet...How low you tune your 6 sting axe?I´m on C#...Can you compare these two beasts when you play heavy palm mute rifs?...I mean something like this ↓ ↓ ↓
sorry for slow replay. had a busy weekend . I have the A pig on my dropped D guitar, but I do set it up for drop C sometimes .the A pig handles it but the low C gets a little sludgey, but in a good way . But it all depends on the guitar so much anyway
To compare the A pig is looser for muted chuggs. it's darker up top but brighter in the mids . it sounds great but for a bit more tighness I'm loving the Cpig at the moment . I also don't find the C pig any hotter than the A pig. they are both equally hot I'd say . At this stage I'd say the Cpig sounds better in a band mix but its still early days with it
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Not ordered yet...How low you tune your 6 sting axe?I´m on C#...Can you compare these two beasts when you play heavy palm mute rifs?...I mean something like this ↓ ↓ ↓
sorry for slow replay. had a busy weekend . I have the A pig on my dropped D guitar, but I do set it up for drop C sometimes .the A pig handles it but the low C gets a little sludgey, but in a good way . But it all depends on the guitar so much anyway
To compare the A pig is looser for muted chuggs. it's darker up top but brighter in the mids . it sounds great but for a bit more tighness I'm loving the Cpig at the moment . I also don't find the C pig any hotter than the A pig. they are both equally hot I'd say . At this stage I'd say the Cpig sounds better in a band mix but its still early days with it
No worries mate...You already helped me in your previous post because that was point which change my mind...Cheers...
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No worries mate...You already helped me in your previous post because that was point which change my mind...Cheers...[/quote]
lol. now I feel pressure.
you'll be happy. they are both great pickups but I do think for a recto Cpig is def the way to go
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It's a hell of a thing if it works and suits your ear. I couldn't get a C-pig to sound right in a mahogany 7 string so put Blackouts in it. Half tempted to even take them out now and go a set of Aftermaths in it.
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got it...instaled...played...with marshall KK it's satans crunch...with dual recto need bit eq tweaking and now sounds thunderous....it tames high freqs of alder/maple/ebony combo which sounded almost singlecoilish with MM which has own place in mahogany now....definitely good choice...Thanx...
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I just installed an alnico warpig in my friends ebony scale gibson faded V
leans towards a softer smooth sound and it's not really high output
feels a little less hot than a duncan custom and a lot less hot than the stockibson g 500t, but has a nice midrange "gnarl" and way more clarity than the others