Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: WezV on November 04, 2012, 07:27:41 PM
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so this is a bit daft and it almost makes more sense to start from scratch.
but i have been asked to see if i can convert a headless steinberger style hohner cricket bat into something more like a flying V. Not a steinberger mini v shape but actual flying V styling
so here are the preliminary mockups showing potential sizes and styles next to the source guitars (controls and pickups are not to scale)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/mini-vs.jpg)
essentially I will be trimming the original guitar down to just past its pickups/bridge routes and treating it as a neck through - but am also considering doing it as a full new body so the original centre section can slot into it
I am pushing for the large scratchplate style as it will hide a lot of sins
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probably the most shocking thing about this idea is that its not for gWem ;)
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OMG - don't let gWem see this post
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probably the most shocking thing about this idea is that its not for gWem ;)
:lol:
The '67 style definitely looks way better. The '58 style doesn't lend itself well to the small body, IMO.
I notice that the scratchplates and controls are scaled down to fit the mockups - do you think there'll actually be room for 3 controls and a switch, in practice?
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I think it's a great idea. Looking forward to seeing the finished guitar.
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I notice that the scratchplates and controls are scaled down to fit the mockups - do you think there'll actually be room for 3 controls and a switch, in practice?
yeah, but probably not full size pots/knobs. deciding stuff like that will be the next stage, if it comes down to loosing a pot then I am fine with that
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OMG - don't let gWem see this post
there has even been mention of the potential for a schenker style paint job.
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Or is gWem actually involved in the project?
I've done my fair share of Hohner G2/G2T or G3T rebuilds and pimp jobs
Still have my own one
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/hohnerg23.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/hohnerg24.jpg)
Here she is just after I stripped her and re-veneered the body
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/pimped/hohnerg21.jpg)
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Or is gWem actually involved in the project?
nah, he really isn't - I must have found his evil twin.
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Awesome. Can't wait to see the result.
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Are the Hohners basically the same as the "Spirit by Steinberger" models, or were they different manufacturers?
(Those rebuilds look great, by the way!)
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They were made in the same factory with largely the same parts.
Although a very interesting project.. I'm sort of not-so-keen on the combined version, though I love both Steinberger GP and Flying V models individually of course.
The black 58 style one is perhaps the nicer design I reckon.
Did you ever make the headless Corvus you were sketching out?
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they actually look pretty good in the mockup
jonathan's one looks badass, too.
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They were made in the same factory with largely the same parts.
Looking at Jonathan's guitar, I see it has a fixed bridge? My Spirit had a trem, which I really hated.... and those tuners were bar-stewards to use. I do still like the original Steinberger concept, though.
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They were made in the same factory with largely the same parts.
Looking at Jonathan's guitar, I see it has a fixed bridge? My Spirit had a trem, which I really hated.... and those tuners were bar-stewards to use. I do still like the original Steinberger concept, though.
The hohners were available before the spirits, very early on, in the 80s I believe. The very very first models had the choice of a fixed bridge. They are quite rare now, though you see them on eBay sometimes.
They also offered a Schenker-alike paint scheme.
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Did you ever make the headless Corvus you were sketching out?
nah, although i still think it has potential. I also drew a large bass version that i think has real style.
I do have a moderne body cut out ready to do something with
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I thought the headless Corvus was a strong idea.
Heres the Schenker-ish Hohner:
(http://images01.olx.com.ua/ui/11/11/64/1304549353_195670764_1----Hohner-Professional-G2-Tremolo-Licensed-By-Steinberg-Sound-420.jpg)
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LSR (aka the evil Ed Roman) have headless Flying V designs - from about 1/2 way down:
http://www.edroman.com/guitars/lsr.htm
visually, I think their tweaks work quite well.
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customer sent me a tweak with the finish he wants and a revised control layout - jack mounted inside the fin
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/MSmockup2.jpg)
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LSR (aka the evil Ed Roman) have headless Flying V designs - from about 1/2 way down:
http://www.edroman.com/guitars/lsr.htm
visually, I think their tweaks work quite well.
Hmmm, not keen. Despite the Leslie West connection. :?
I do quite like the one which looks like an Ovation Breadwinner (although it's not really very Steinberger-ish). And the Klein-alike, which makes me think of some kind of amoeba or jellyfish....
(http://www.edroman.com/guitars/abstract/images/abs-preacher-01-550.jpg)
(http://www.edroman.com/guitars/lsr/images/lsr_ergo_bryce_500px.jpg)
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Ok, so first step is to turn the hohner into even more of a cricket bat. edges trimmed off and body thinned down from the back
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/sv1.jpg)
then i will be making a whole new body for this to slot into - not just glueing on new wings - started a quick pine mockup to get a better idea of size/shape. the actual body will be obeche
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/sv2.jpg)
lots of chips around the existing finish, but its all got to come off anyway
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/SV3.jpg)
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scary bit done
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/sv4.jpg)
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Just looking at the original body - what was it, a 3-piece through-neck? Makes sense I suppose, not much needed to be added in the way of body wings.
Thinking back, the Spirit had a pretty nice chunky neck - but the fretting was quite bad.
I am starting to get Steinberger GAS.
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yeah, 3-piece maple with alder wings
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I'd be tempted to make the Vee points, err, pointier - why deny it, the guitar screams for it :lol:
Anyone seen the EVH-painted Steinberger? - not much of a stretch if you haven't, just the usual EVH red/white/black paint job.
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(http://halen.com/evh/modules/PNphpBB2/files/steinberger_367.jpg)
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I'd be tempted to make the Vee points, err, pointier - why deny it, the guitar screams for it :lol:
nah, goes against the classic V styling I am aiming for (with everything except the headstock and bridge)
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(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/sv7.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/sv8.jpg)
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cute! :D
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got the plate cut
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/sv9.jpg)
its clear so it can be painted half black/white on the back
not perfect yet but getting there
it meant i could transfer control locations and route the control cavity. also added a rout to the side of the lower fin for a strat style jack socket
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/sv10.jpg)
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Well paint took a long time on this one, but its finally back - and its been done exceptionally well
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/1_zpsbd109baa.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/2_zps69f9d9f4.jpg)
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Oh my, that is very very tasty.
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got the bridge and headpiece on so couldn't resist another pic
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/WP_20130716_002_zps611e412e.jpg)
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I like the way it looks with the Floyd on.
I have to admit though that I am curious what this would look like with reverse zebra open humbuckers rather than the covered ones. Too much of a good thing?
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I have to admit though that I am curious what this would look like with reverse zebra open humbuckers rather than the covered ones. Too much of a good thing?
Yeah, I think I would prefer uncovered pickups. Customer's choice, of course! :)
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Looks wise I probably would have went with Aftermath or Warpig reverse zebra open coils with nickel bolts, and maybe even some Triple Shot black pickup rings. In my mind that would really make this guitar look amazing.
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I like the way it looks with the Floyd on.
Not to be pedantic, but its a Steinberger R-Trem ;)
I have to admit though that I am curious what this would look like with reverse zebra open humbuckers rather than the covered ones. Too much of a good thing?
I was wondering the exactly the same thing! I kinda like the covered look with the schenker harlequin pain scheme though.
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i think i would only be happy with zebras if they were pure white/black rather than cream, but tbh then i would want each coil split in half too... it ends up being too much.
i was not sure about the nickel at first, but now the paint is done i think it works
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i think i would only be happy with zebras if they were pure white/black rather than cream, but tbh then i would want each coil split in half too... it ends up being too much.
i was not sure about the nickel at first, but now the paint is done i think it works
White/black-zebra's would be the icing on the cake.
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getting there... might change the knobs for white
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/complete%20guitars/3_zps3faef078.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/complete%20guitars/4_zps1e4d9ad2.jpg)
and also something else i am finishing up, I hate planet waves tuners when assembling guitars - that is why a string is missing
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/complete%20guitars/5_zps980981fb.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/complete%20guitars/6_zpse2a92bab.jpg)
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I like the contouring on the second guitar!
And the covered pickups on the V are starting to grow on me! Agreed about the knobs, it needs something lower-profile, white or maybe black SG-types?
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Looks like it has solid shaft pots though. The witch hats need split shafts. Maybe try some Fender knobs?
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I don't let things like that worry me. they are split shaft with the screw going into the split. if they were permenant i would look at the brass adapter sleeves. but they are not staying- it will be getting white strat knobs
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The black one looks stellar too.
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I'm looking forward to playing the black one when it's owner brings it for a try.
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Love them both... Well one slightly more than the other ;)
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I'm looking forward to playing the black one when it's owner brings it for a try.
Love them both... Well one slightly more than the other ;)
Maybe it's my imagination, reading too much between the lines, making 2+2=5 and all that.... but I think I may be picking up a subtle hint about this guitar's ownership.
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:D My continuing mission to have mash-up guitars. That one has pretty much ended up a StratSG, and purely came about because I had some pickups I really like and nowhere to put them :)
The old Telemaster is up for some alterations at some point also...
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Also quite different to what you originally asked for. Didn't that happen on the last one too ;)
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Also quite different to what you originally asked for. Didn't that happen on the last one too ;)
lol, indeed and in a very good way. The Telemaster rebody will be simple, I promise! ;)
Which is I'm sure how all of these started out...