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Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: IzirAtig on November 28, 2012, 07:39:43 AM

Title: Black Hawk (C) to maple BC Rich Dagger
Post by: IzirAtig on November 28, 2012, 07:39:43 AM
That's my plan. There's only couple doubts in my mind.
First. I read from some topics that BH is surprisingly bassy. Does that mean it's muddy or what. I have SD Invader now and I'm fed up with it's muddyness and boxyness. I want bright pickup to play music over genre lines. Especially I want good sound for Black Metal :P
II. Is there lack of middle bite. At first I'm impressed of the BKP sound clips here and some in youtube. But I just want to be sure that BH gives me brutal, screaming and biting tone when I want it.

greetings

Title: Re: Black Hawk (C) to maple BC Rich Dagger
Post by: GuitarIv on November 28, 2012, 10:55:51 AM
I can't comment on the Blackhawk, but from your description you'd like to take a look at the Rebel Yell. Tight low end, dominant mids, bright but not harsh. Although with the maple board it might be a little bit too bright. What are the other tonewoods?

Cheers
Title: Re: Black Hawk (C) to maple BC Rich Dagger
Post by: IzirAtig on November 28, 2012, 11:16:15 AM
I believe it's maple all the way. + ebony fretboard.
Title: Re: Black Hawk (C) to maple BC Rich Dagger
Post by: GuitarIv on November 28, 2012, 11:48:40 AM
All Maple with Ebony? Now that is bright like hell, the Invaders should already counterbalance that wood combo pretty well, what tuning are you in? Remember that no Contemporary BKP will be muddy like the Invader, I have a pair of SH-8s myself in my Mahogany, Maple Neck, Rosewood Fretboard Jackson and surprisingly they are tighter in it than they were in my Basswood Body, All Maple Neck Ibanez. I know your problem too well, as the Invaders have crushing mids and a boomy low end but in deed lack tightness. My Holydiver is tighter and it's an Alnico 5 pickup. Now if you REALLY want the piercing highs Black Metal Sound, you could go with a bright Pickup like the Rebell Yell, but be aware that for normal ears and standards it will be overbearingly piercing in the mids and highs. I'd recommend you to look at something that counterbalances it, maybe the Miracle Man could give you what you need.

To be honest I can only guess everything I've written by now, so you might just wait that someone else pops in and states his opinion. Or you could email BKP directly.
Title: Re: Black Hawk (C) to maple BC Rich Dagger
Post by: IzirAtig on November 28, 2012, 12:12:13 PM
Yeah. Tuning is B to B. Dagger has a big body and it's semi hollow. I think that makes part of it's sound too.
Still I'm after Black Hawk. At least as long as someone says it's not bright and brutal enough for BM :)
Title: Re: Black Hawk (C) to maple BC Rich Dagger
Post by: GuitarIv on November 28, 2012, 12:20:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qacdnnbe2k

Little Clip Nolly did about it :)
Title: Re: Black Hawk (C) to maple BC Rich Dagger
Post by: JimmyMoorby on November 28, 2012, 04:26:41 PM
That's my plan. There's only couple doubts in my mind.
First. I read from some topics that BH is surprisingly bassy. Does that mean it's muddy or what. I have SD Invader now and I'm fed up with it's muddyness and boxyness. I want bright pickup to play music over genre lines. Especially I want good sound for Black Metal :P
II. Is there lack of middle bite. At first I'm impressed of the BKP sound clips here and some in youtube. But I just want to be sure that BH gives me brutal, screaming and biting tone when I want it.

greetings



It better not be muddy as im looking to buy a black hawk my self and If it is muddy ill definitely be kicking off!
The pickup sounds great from what ive heard and its said to have the best parts of active pickups and more so and as youll probably know your self having played EMG's they definitely wont give out a muddy or flabby sound!
I know people troll EMG's as youll probably know your self using ESP's but they are awesome at they very few things they do well if that makes sense and that a compressed, tight sound with good highs and lows.  

As a metal guitarist EMG's great for full on metal riffs cant fault, very cool for even sounding apreggios too but im fed up of the lack of 'dynamics'.  Doesnt matter how to try and dig in and bend and be creative it all sounds the same and messing with distortions of volume levels dont help as it isnt in their nature.

Im hoping it will be at least an alternative to EMG's but im really hoping they can do what EMG do well and more!

Title: Re: Black Hawk (C) to maple BC Rich Dagger
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on November 28, 2012, 05:20:01 PM
The ceramic Blackhawk is anything but muddy - it's a very clear sounding pickup .
It's a 42gauge wire which will give as an uncompressed bass as you can get , but at 9k it is notr seriously over wound.
However the magnet structure gives it that extra power and range that makes it seem like its as powerful as something like a Cold Sweat/Rebel Yell.

When I've used it (tuned in E) i've compared it to a classic PAF that bonded with a tele bridge pickup - as it seems to have the defining frequencies of both . The clearer top and bottom and the PAF like mids.

I haven't tried the alnico Blackhawk but I have one here and will be interested to see how it compares in a bright guitar like my ash bodied Feline Pantera or Blackmachine B6
Title: Re: Black Hawk (C) to maple BC Rich Dagger
Post by: WeAreNotGentlemen on November 29, 2012, 01:54:59 AM
The Blackhawk is the farthest thing from muddy. I've had it as low as B with the bass maxed on the amp and the low mids on an eq pedal turned up just to see if it would get muddy. It didn't, and that's through a big mahogany Schecter. I have the ceramic model by the way and I think that for my purposes I should've gotten the AlNiCo. Oh well, I still love them.