Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: love_o_rock on February 26, 2006, 12:14:27 AM
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Ok, so I know I made an amp poll before about a plexi, but I recently decided that was just overkill for my situation. Anyway, I think I've narrowed it down to two. Don't want to spend over 1,000 USD. I play alot of hard rock, classic rock, and blues, a tad of metal but a good clean would be fantastic to have. I'm open to suggestions. I have played both, but I did not play enough of either to really get a good indication of which I would choose. I like the tube aspects of the DSL and the versatility of the Vox. Again, open to all suggestion in price limit.
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ENGL, great sound. Thunder sounds like your best bet.
Or even a peazy if ENGL is hard to find.
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Are you in Europe or in the US?
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DSL401 have serious reliability problems. It runs hot very quickly and it's stop working. (no sound)
A tip is to add a 2" PC fan on the back.
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for the price of those you can get FAR better amps. I got a JCM800 2x12 combo for about that price. i never regretted it 8)
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Are you in Europe or in the US?
US
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ENGL, great sound. Thunder sounds like your best bet.
Or even a peazy if ENGL is hard to find.
I wanted to stay away from imports, but what the hell. Can the thunder get a good blues-inspired rock tone to malcom young tone? And what about the cleans?
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ENGL, great sound. Thunder sounds like your best bet.
Or even a peazy if ENGL is hard to find.
I wanted to stay away from imports, but what the hell, I guess I could go through rock-solid amps. Can the thunder get a good blues-inspired rock tone to malcom young tone? And what about the cleans?
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^i haven't tried the thunder, but going by the other engls i've tried, yes.
Still, though, they're kind of modern-sounding amps (although i hear the thunder is a little more vintage-voiced)- if you ONLY want more vintage influenced sounds, i'd probably pick another kind of amp...
EDIT: isn't a marshall an import? or do you mean ordering from abroad? if you do, you can get engls from www.rocksolidamps.com in the states.
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^ Yeah I believe I posted that above :). I hardly play any modern music. Mostly older hard rock and classic rock like Led Zeppelin, AC/DC and Dio type souds.
Sorry about double post.
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I think the ENGL Screamer or Classic might suit your sound more. Really nice cleans etc
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If you are in the US you got so many more options .
In the UK for example Mesa Boogie is not an option.
If i was in the US i would consider a Mesa F30/F50, or a Rivera Clubster or similar. A Mesa F50 will run you 1100$ IIRC whereas it would cost you 2100$ in the UK. So forget Marshalls and Vox, and go for a US made amp if you are in the US.
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I don't know about the Vox amp, but if you're spending that kinda money I'd be tempted to look at a second hand 5150.
Muttley
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I'd also look at home-grown amps rather than British ones as much of the price will be import duty. Marshall's are so expensive in the US - its nearly as cheap to buy a JCM800 based Splawn amp as it is to buy a reissue JCM800.
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I'd dismiss the VOX because, although versatile, a good full-valve amp will blow it away and you should be able to find something nice for $1000 in the USA. The AC30CC and AC15CC could be nice although they might be a bit too vintage sounding for you.
To save money I'd definitely try and find a USA amp that suits you because there's alot of nice stuff built in the USA. The 2nd hand 5150 would be good. Reverend amps aren't made anymore but you should be able to still find them new. High-quality amps for little money, now even more discounted. The Mesa and Rivera stuff should work well for your purposes too.
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if you don't play much modern stuff, i'd avoid the engls almost as a rule (bar the classic tube, which, if anything, isn't modern enough! :lol: )- they pretty much all sound modern (bar classic tube :lol: ).
I'll second the guys above, and say get something made in the states, you'll get the most bang for buck that way- and in your price range, you could get a reasonably high quality american-made amp, or a medium-quality import, basically...
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I just realized I live about 4-5 hours away from the rocksolidamps.com warehouse :) . I might do that later on this year.
So far people have suggested Mesa F50/30, Rivera clubster, 5150, and engl screamer, thunder and classic. Remeber, vintage=good. So which of these would you suggest.
Also, whats a good web site to buy Mesa or Rivera. No one selld them around here.
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If you're after Vintage and don't wanna buy from outside the US I'm suprised you've not considered Fender. I played a tweed Blues Deluxe with a few different guitars a while ago and I was pretty impressed, I still prefer my Matmap, but I imagine that's even less of an option considering the stuff you've said. But Fender's also got the new "Supersonic" out, I'm itching to try one of those at some point, apparently it can do vintage Fender and more modern sounds too.
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I would stay away from the DSL401. I had one, had nothing but problems.
In Mesa, Rivera territory, a VHT Pittbull 45 combo is also worth trying if you can find one. IMHO, it's a much better amp than the F series Mesa's and therefore better value for money.
Rivera build excellent amps, I've jonesed for a R30 for a long time!
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Can you give me an idea of the vht's gain as far as how much it gets and also what the cleans sound like? Looks like a nice amp, but it goes back to "if you can find one". And it would be nice if you could give me some ideas of how much they cost, I can't find that anywhere.
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^i haven't tried the vht 45 combo, but i have tried the super 30 combo, and vht UL head (think that's the one). The cleans are almost "piano-like", I think that's the best way to describe them. They almost don't sound like a guitar, but they sound awesome (if you like them). Very clean (not much break-up).
the super 30 is more of a rock amp than a metal amp, while the vht UL head does rock and metal, but doesn't get uber-saturated like, say, an engl powerball. EDIT: the vht is also very tight and dry sounding- but in a good way- it still sounds organic!
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Well I only play uber saturated on a bad day :D . Piano like cleans, I'm guessing it's not a one trick pony. Also I've read several reveiws saying that it (VHT) can get a plexi tone well, if so thats great.
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well, i haven't tried a plexi, but it did seem to have a lot of range on the gain control.
Of course, all this is meaningless, since i haven't tried the one you're looking at, and it may be different :D
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Can you find some sound clips, you seems to know your amps VERY well. And what type of tubes does it use?
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I seem to remember being unable to find any decent VHT clips a while ago, when i was looking into amps.
here's the website, it should tell you which tubes it uses here: http://www.vhtamp.com/
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Based on Reveiws alone, Rivera chubster, clubster, Rxx and Vht 45 look good now since they "are much better value for the money". The more I read on one particular model the more I want it. Good thing? Yes. Going to bother me all day during school thinking about it? Of course.
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Well i still stand by my Koch Powertone II with a 4x12 Koch cab fitted with Jenson speakers. In the US that will cane your money though. Why not try Mesa's Stilletto which is EL34 like all the good amps!
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^ How much is that? And can the R55 get a good lead tone?
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About £1150 fro the head and £600 for the cab
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Thats probably a little out of my price range.