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Title: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 06, 2013, 04:41:27 PM
Hi All,

We've upgraded the forum to the latest version to improve speed, security and functionality. With this change we have decided to make the forum template a bit slicker, with the colour scheme a bit closer to the new site - but as with most things in life, there will be bits people like, love and of course hate.

We are interested in any feedback to improve things.  (For example, as I type this, I think I need to whiten the text in the compose box!)

Please keep this thread for constructive feedback only. There is already another thread created by Kiichi for opinions. :-)

Ol.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Philly Q on January 06, 2013, 04:45:40 PM
Hi Ol, we will of course get used to it soon enough....

But is it still possible to easily do all those things like bold, italics, change font size/colour etc?

And I know it's childish, but what about smileys?  I can't find 'em.... 
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 06, 2013, 04:48:30 PM
Hi Ol, we will of course get used to it soon enough....

But is it still possible to easily do all those things like bold, italics, change font size/colour etc?

And I know it's childish, but what about smileys?  I can't find 'em.... 

Hi Phil,

Of course - instead of pressing "Quote" in someone's post, you can click Reply at the bottom of the page.
I'm still looking for a way of moving between the "Quick Reply" box and the fully functional one. I might have to override the Quote button to go to full reply.

Ol.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Kiichi on January 06, 2013, 04:50:21 PM
Hah, somehow I was faster with on this I guess xD

Anway, I see smilies  :D so no problem there.

What I do notice is that every second post seems to be written in grey instead of white, which on the grey background I find to be suboptimal, as it makes it harder to read. That is the only real immediate complain that I have.

And I would like further highlighting for threads and forums with new replies, more in the style of the old forum, not just a little "new" sign next to them. I really found the old bold move to be quite nice.

Sides that I will just have to see.

Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Lezard on January 06, 2013, 04:51:19 PM
The "sig" section seems a bit larger than neccesary.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Philly Q on January 06, 2013, 04:59:17 PM
Hi Ol, we will of course get used to it soon enough....

But is it still possible to easily do all those things like bold, italics, change font size/colour etc?

And I know it's childish, but what about smileys?  I can't find 'em.... 

Hi Phil,

Of course - instead of pressing "Quote" in someone's post, you can click Reply at the bottom of the page.
I'm still looking for a way of moving between the "Quick Reply" box and the fully functional one. I might have to override the Quote button to go to full reply.

Ol.


Whether I use "Quote" or "Reply" I'm still not seeing smileys or ways to fiddle with the text. 

Displaying my ignorance here, but could it be my browser or version of Windows? (puzzled)   [See, I don't know how to do a puzzled smiley....]
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: TheyCallMeVolume on January 06, 2013, 05:08:08 PM
I'm not exactly crazy about the scrolling text box while typing, I had some trouble figuring out that I had to press enter to get back to the post button.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: gwEm on January 06, 2013, 05:27:33 PM
It's good to keep things fresh! Maybe the panel on the left with the nick/photo etc is a bit large. Anyway, I'm sure we'll get used to the new look quickly enough.

Edit: just a thought, if the nick/photo panel was less large, it would automatically reduce the space given to sigs
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 06, 2013, 06:15:56 PM
What I do notice is that every second post seems to be written in grey instead of white

Changed.

And I would like further highlighting for threads and forums with new replies, more in the style of the old forum, not just a little "new" sign next to them. I really found the old bold move to be quite nice.

I've made the link text a bit lighter and put the NEW image aligned to the right, as the old forum. I've also emboldened new posts.
I've lightened the 'new posts' button (the one with the blue light in it) to make it more obvious) which you see on the main forum index.


if the nick/photo panel was less large, it would automatically reduce the space given to sigs

I will look at reducing it.



I welcome further suggestions.

Ol.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Telerocker on January 06, 2013, 06:37:47 PM
Freshing things up is good! Further I agree with what Kiichi says about highlighting.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Kiichi on January 06, 2013, 07:02:52 PM
Ahh thanks for the quick changes, they did a lot for me. Reading on those second posts is much easier on the eyes now and I have more of an overview again being able to quickly spot threads with new answers.
Good work!
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Oli on January 06, 2013, 07:19:47 PM
A lot of things seem to have quite a lot of padding around them-- Much like the Nick area, the bits like the menu at the top, and the Quick Reply bar seem a little large.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Kiichi on January 06, 2013, 07:33:53 PM
Another thing I noticed is that quotes in quotes need work. It is just a grey in grey where you can hardly see where one quote ends, which can be seen quite well with one of PhillyQs replies in this thread.
I also would like to have all the quote info in there again, not just the info one the last one, so you can also see by whom and from when the originally quoted part is.

Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: gordiji on January 06, 2013, 07:53:03 PM

 I personally don't like to fix what ain't broke. The old site was clearer.This is the fashion everywhere though (to update for no reason)
No offence to those who put in the work for the new 'look'
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Andrew W on January 06, 2013, 08:50:12 PM
There's a lot to like in the new layout. One request I'd have is to make more differentiation in the text of threads on the main pages to see which ones have new content or not. It seemed a bit clearer on the old forum. Thanks.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: sgmypod on January 06, 2013, 08:52:33 PM
quite like it so far and the carbon fibre background
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 06, 2013, 10:12:55 PM
Another thing I noticed is that quotes in quotes need work. It is just a grey in grey where you can hardly see where one quote ends, which can be seen quite well with one of PhillyQs replies in this thread.

Good point and good example. I've made it a slightly darker colour.

I also would like to have all the quote info in there again, not just the info one the last one, so you can also see by whom and from when the originally quoted part is.

I'm afraid I don't follow Kiichi. Can you elaborate?

Ol
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 06, 2013, 10:21:30 PM
I think the reason there is less differentiation between the bold emphasis and the non bold writing is down to the text size. I have upped the size to what I think is similar to that of the previous template.

Let me know if it helps with distinguishing threads with new posts on, or if it was preferred smaller.

Ol
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Andrew W on January 06, 2013, 10:30:37 PM
I think the reason there is less differentiation between the bold emphasis and the non bold writing is down to the text size. I have upped the size to what I think is similar to that of the previous template.

Let me know if it helps with distinguishing threads with new posts on, or if it was preferred smaller.

Ol

Perfect. Thanks!
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Toe-Knee on January 06, 2013, 10:42:15 PM
Is there a way to embed images/youtube links etc?
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: MDV on January 06, 2013, 10:56:46 PM
What the hell are the coloured squares for?

Can I turn off widescreen mode?

Where are all the icons and stuff for embedding and formatting and things?
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Kiichi on January 07, 2013, 12:17:37 AM
Another thing I noticed is that quotes in quotes need work. It is just a grey in grey where you can hardly see where one quote ends, which can be seen quite well with one of PhillyQs replies in this thread.

Good point and good example. I've made it a slightly darker colour.

I also would like to have all the quote info in there again, not just the info one the last one, so you can also see by whom and from when the originally quoted part is.

I'm afraid I don't follow Kiichi. Can you elaborate?

Ol
Thanks again Ol, it is more visible now.

The other thing I mean is that above the quote you can see who is quoted and from when the quote is? I meant that for the quote within the quote (god this reminds me of Poe....is all typed or wrote but a quote within a quote?)
Upon further looking I now see that it is there, I honestly completly overlooked it when first searching for it (which goes to my point), but could you maybe make that another shade too? I find it really hard to see.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Philly Q on January 07, 2013, 01:06:23 AM
Where are all the icons and stuff for embedding and formatting and things?

Everybody's been ignoring my questions about that, like I'm a ghost or something....  :?

I've just discovered I can see the formatting icons, smileys etc in Internet Explorer, but not in Google Chrome.

I think it's something to do with security settings - Internet Explorer keeps telling me every page is chock full of "content that will not be delivered over a secure HTTPS connection, which could compromise the security of the entire webpage".  Google Chrome is just blocking it all automatically.  This did not happen before.

Is it something to do with https: versus http:?  I know little about these things.....
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on January 07, 2013, 01:59:10 AM
Heres something for you Ol

When someone quotes someone who has put a hyperlink in a previous answer the link text becomes really hard to view within the white quote box.

At least that is true on my iPad - using safari browser


Is there a choice of colours for link text?
Could they be easier to see?
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: MDV on January 07, 2013, 02:19:29 AM
Where are all the icons and stuff for embedding and formatting and things?

Everybody's been ignoring my questions about that, like I'm a ghost or something....  :?

I've just discovered I can see the formatting icons, smileys etc in Internet Explorer, but not in Google Chrome.

I think it's something to do with security settings - Internet Explorer keeps telling me every page is chock full of "content that will not be delivered over a secure HTTPS connection, which could compromise the security of the entire webpage".  Google Chrome is just blocking it all automatically.  This did not happen before.

Is it something to do with https: versus http:?  I know little about these things.....

Dunno. I'm on chrome. I wont open explorer except to download chrome and screw firefox as well, clunky useless usedtobegood browser that it is.

Chrome good, forum bad :shock:

(I happen to know that one, and its appropriate, till the formatting and smilies work properly)
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: MDV on January 07, 2013, 02:20:52 AM
Testing FF. It has the stuff.

Back to chrome.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: MDV on January 07, 2013, 02:23:40 AM
I do like that unread posts are easier to get to though. Or there at all. I dont remember seeing it as an option on the front page, you had to dig a bit?
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: TheyCallMeVolume on January 07, 2013, 03:29:00 AM
Thank you for making the page bigger! That makes things much better, it looked a bit too small originally.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: 38thBeatle on January 07, 2013, 07:35:32 AM
Well so far I like it and I am normally resistant to change-being an old git and all. :)     *



*smiley added just cos I can.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 07, 2013, 07:42:35 AM
What the hell are the coloured squares for?

Can I turn off widescreen mode?

Where are all the icons and stuff for embedding and formatting and things?
They are the same as the stars were in the previous template. Just an indicator as to how much of a prolific contributer you are!

No.

It's a Chrome issue (well actually it's an SSL issue that Chrome is rightly obeying - we're looking at it.

The other thing I mean is that above the quote you can see who is quoted and from when the quote is? I meant that for the quote within the quote (god this reminds me of Poe....is all typed or wrote but a quote within a quote?)
Upon further looking I now see that it is there, I honestly completly overlooked it when first searching for it (which goes to my point), but could you maybe make that another shade too? I find it really hard to see.

Done.

Where are all the icons and stuff for embedding and formatting and things?
Is it something to do with https: versus http:?  I know little about these things.....
Yes and yes.
It's a Chrome issue (well actually it's an SSL issue that Chrome is rightly obeying) - we're looking at it and will fix as soon as we can.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 07, 2013, 08:04:02 AM
It's a Chrome issue (well actually it's an SSL issue that Chrome is rightly obeying - we're looking at it.

We are still looking into where these files are referenced over http instead of https, but in the meantime there is a workaround.

Workaround 1: In Chrome, when you load the forum page, in the address bar there is a little shield on the right hand side. Click this and it will tell you there is insecure content. If you want, you can press "load anyway" - it should remember it for this site, and then display a red https with a line through it on the left hand side.

Workaround 2: Use another browser. (Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari.)
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 07, 2013, 09:29:17 AM
It's a Chrome issue (well actually it's an SSL issue that Chrome is rightly obeying - we're looking at it.

We are still looking into where these files are referenced over http instead of https, but in the meantime there is a workaround.

Workaround 1: In Chrome, when you load the forum page, in the address bar there is a little shield on the right hand side. Click this and it will tell you there is insecure content. If you want, you can press "load anyway" - it should remember it for this site, and then display a red https with a line through it on the left hand side.

Workaround 2: Use another browser. (Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari.)


All fixed.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: dave_mc on January 07, 2013, 12:20:13 PM

 I personally don't like to fix what ain't broke. The old site was clearer.This is the fashion everywhere though (to update for no reason)
No offence to those who put in the work for the new 'look'

+1

that being said I do quite like the new layout, it's very slick looking. the only slight criticism might be it's not quite as easy to make out as the old one, since everything is more or less a different shade of grey. But that's a minor complaint, the new forum looks good. :)
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Philly Q on January 07, 2013, 01:34:25 PM
Workaround 1: In Chrome, when you load the forum page, in the address bar there is a little shield on the right hand side. Click this and it will tell you there is insecure content. If you want, you can press "load anyway" - it should remember it for this site, and then display a red https with a line through it on the left hand side.

Yeah, I discovered that last night.  Works fine, but I feel uncomfortable having the red https with a line through it!
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: TheyCallMeVolume on January 07, 2013, 03:32:24 PM
Are these changes going to get rid of those silly bots once and for all?
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Muttley on January 07, 2013, 08:18:21 PM
My only dislike from this morning (read/unread topics being hard to distinguish due to the colour used for the link) no longer exists as the topic link colour has moved to a creamy yellow.  Much better.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 07, 2013, 08:48:19 PM
Are these changes going to get rid of those silly bots once and for all?

Once and for all? Probably not.
Until they work their way around the latest anti-spam measures, Yes.
I haven't enabled all of them yet, but there are other measures to enable if the spam does start to appear.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 07, 2013, 08:50:25 PM
My only dislike from this morning (read/unread topics being hard to distinguish due to the colour used for the link) no longer exists as the topic link colour has moved to a creamy yellow.  Much better.

Good to hear! Thanks Muttley.
Ol.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Telerocker on January 07, 2013, 11:49:15 PM
At least we should thank you for all the work. You've must have spend hours on it.  :)
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: TheyCallMeVolume on January 07, 2013, 11:54:43 PM
At least we should you thank for all the work. You've must have spend hours on it.  :)

+1, and checking all our requests and opinions!
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Philly Q on January 08, 2013, 01:24:41 AM
All seems to be working well for me now, even in Chrome.  Well done Ol!  :D
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: lamp on January 08, 2013, 03:27:44 AM
Looks good!
As mentioned above, one thing that would be better would be to have the unread thread titles in a different colour to the read ones, not just bold/not bold.  At the moment I'm finding it harder to distinguish than it should be.  Maybe I'm just lazy. 
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: dave_mc on January 08, 2013, 11:03:42 AM
^ yeah that's what i meant when i said "harder to read".

Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: HTH AMPS on January 08, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Its probably been said, but here's my observations...

* drafting messages (such as when I write this) isn't easy on the eye - light grey text on dark grey background.  Suggest white text pretty please.
* same deal once the message is posted - white text on grey background, tough to read.  Suggest darker background.

Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Toe-Knee on January 08, 2013, 08:51:17 PM
Also HTH's link under his name goes over part of the post!
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 09, 2013, 07:55:31 AM
Its probably been said, but here's my observations...

* drafting messages (such as when I write this) isn't easy on the eye - light grey text on dark grey background.  Suggest white text pretty please.
* same deal once the message is posted - white text on grey background, tough to read.  Suggest darker background.

Noted.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 09, 2013, 08:21:04 AM
* drafting messages (such as when I write this) isn't easy on the eye - light grey text on dark grey background.  Suggest white text pretty please.

I've whitened the text in the text input fields.
Ol.
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Ol on January 12, 2013, 04:09:47 PM
Is there a way to embed images/youtube links etc?

YouTube links are now embedded automagically. Just paste the link in as usual and the forum does the rest.
Ol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC6EB-7GRjU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC6EB-7GRjU)
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on January 12, 2013, 04:40:34 PM
Oh that's fantastic - will make life easier
Title: Re: Not everyone likes change...
Post by: Oli on January 12, 2013, 10:05:43 PM
Could there be an option to make things a bit smaller, or could the Middleweight/ Lightweight and the boxes indicating your level be lumped together in the same box, as having just 2 boxes takes up a bit of space that makes each post a little longer?